Do they really think we are that stupid?

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Tennis Spaz80

Guest
hey guys, havn't posted here in a while, but check out these two pics....

http://sports.yahoo.com/ten/photo?slug=rog10705211327.france_french_open_rog107&prov=ap

http://sports.yahoo.com/ten/photo?slug=rog10605211411.france_french_open_rog106&prov=ap

looks like another paint job for federers custom racket. now if someone is gonna tell me that federers racket isn't a full custom job (different string pattern and the shorter grip and longer space between the grip and throat of the racket) i will personally smack you on the side of the head. just check out the second pic and see for yourself. those are 2 identical rackets but a different paint job, but of course people are dumb and we'll probably get some smart ass convinced that most of the pros use rackets right off the store shelfs and federer is switching rackets 2 days before a grand slam tournament after he just won a master series...way to go einstein :roll:
 
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Anonymous

Professional
first off, i honestly don't care what he is using, but i would also like to know how u have come to the conclusion that both those racquets are custom jobs from just that picture. i mean ya its been discussed before but that picture isn't good enough to decide if its custom or not, or whether they are indeed the same racquet.
now i agree that it is most likely a paintjob and a custom frame, because when u play like him, theres really no reason to change anything. if its not broken, dont fix it right?

but on the topic that companies think we are stupid, the answers yes. apparently people are buying the racquets so it must be working.
 
Radical Shot

Radical Shot

Semi-Pro
I agree. Having a picture of Roger holding both the new and the old is a really bad marketing situation to be in. It sends the message that he still has the "old" and looks like he is making up his mind which one to use! If Wilson wants Roger to push the new nCode, they should have taken all of the old rackets away from him.
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Tennis Spaz80

Guest
well first off, of course they are the same racket. just think common sense...would a pro player try out a different racket a few days before a grand slam, a racket he's never played with and say hmm even tho i won wimbledon, masters cup, aussie open and a masters series with my supposed tour90, i think i'll switch to this new wilson they gave me without hardly playing with it, they told me it'll play similiar and even better in some cases then my old racket, so i'll believe them. federer isn't gonna use any other racket during the season except his own, so of course both are his own customs. do i have facts? no, but i think its pretty obvious.
people are buying rackets thinking their fav pro uses the same one cause they don't do enough research on their own and racket companies make money off that. they don't know the facts and believe anything they hear, which if you think about it isn't good at all cause this kind of stuff doesn't just happen in the tennis industry but also politics etc, but i don't need to get into that.
 
BreakPoint

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
Tennis Spaz80 said:
well first off, of course they are the same racket. just think common sense...would a pro player try out a different racket a few days before a grand slam, a racket he's never played with and say hmm even tho i won wimbledon, masters cup, aussie open and a masters series with my supposed tour90, i think i'll switch to this new wilson they gave me without hardly playing with it, they told me it'll play similiar and even better in some cases then my old racket, so i'll believe them.
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According to the press release (article) from Wilson in another post: http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/viewtopic.php?t=8435

Federer has been practicing with the nCode Six-One for two months so it's not like he just picked it up two days before the French.
 
ptuananh

ptuananh

Rookie
Changing racquet is a difficult way to handle even you are a pro. I think FEDERER can not change his racquet just 2 day before the Grand Slam start. It is definitely a nice paint job :D
 
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Datacipher

Banned
BreakPoint said:
Tennis Spaz80 said:
well first off, of course they are the same racket. just think common sense...would a pro player try out a different racket a few days before a grand slam, a racket he's never played with and say hmm even tho i won wimbledon, masters cup, aussie open and a masters series with my supposed tour90, i think i'll switch to this new wilson they gave me without hardly playing with it, they told me it'll play similiar and even better in some cases then my old racket, so i'll believe them.
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According to the press release (article) from Wilson in another post: http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/viewtopic.php?t=8435

Federer has been practicing with the nCode Six-One for two months so it's not like he just picked it up two days before the French.
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This defies all sanity...he's been practicing with ncode for 2 months but PLAYING with his old racquet(not likely!)?....then 2 days before FO he says...OK, 2 months of practice was enough...this is the time to switch for matchplay?
 
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jomiller

New User
Most pro's are superstitious, they do not step on lines, do not change winning caps, shoes etc. Why would anyone at this level in contrast change to a new racket if they get to be nr. 1 with the one they have used for years?
Aren't we amateurs changing racquets only to try and improove our game and possibly make the use of technical advantages for
our low level game. Doubt that the successful pro's need this.
They like the money and of course paintjobs that pay well.
 
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kooyah

Rookie
Why do people put so much importance on what frame a particular pro is using, anyway? I mean, no matter what, even if I switch to a Tour 90 or a nCode, I will never play at the same level Federer does.
 
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Brad Smith

Rookie
Paintjobs are advertising plain and simple. Whether one thinks they constitute false advertising or not is a matter for debate, but once you learn to accept that it is advertising you can put it in the proper context along with all those late night infomercials. Do they think we're stupid -- no. Do they think we're susceptible to subliminal suggestion -- yes. Do they think that product placement can subconsciously affect purchasing decisions -- yes. Are they correct -- yes.
 
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superloop

New User
In the press release, it says the following:
It is his first change in model for six years.

How can this be? The Tour 90 has not been out for 6 years.
He used the Hyper ProStaff 6.0 Tour before the Tour 90.
 
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Nas Eclipse

Rookie
After watching Fed today his game didnt seem any different i mean youd think a different racquet would do something to your game. So id say it has to be a paintjob.
 
BreakPoint

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
He did blow away his opponent 6-2, 6-1, 6-1 with the new nCode racquet. Perhaps if he had been using the Tour 90, he would have only won 6-2, 6-2, 6-2. :wink: LOL
 
BreakPoint

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
superloop said:
In the press release, it says the following:
It is his first change in model for six years.

How can this be? The Tour 90 has not been out for 6 years.
He used the Hyper ProStaff 6.0 Tour before the Tour 90.
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That's the whole point exactly!! What Wilson is effectively saying is that he never did use a Tour 90 nor the HPS 6.0 Tour since the Tour 90 has only been out for a year and the HPS 6.0 Tour for about a year before that. Before these paintjob changes, he was using a PS 6.0 85. BTW, when he beat Sampras at Wimbledon in 2001, Federer was using a PS 6.0 85 (just like his idol across the net), and that was less than three years ago. So if he hasn't changed racquets in six years, well,...you do the math.
 
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Metzler

Rookie
Agassi switched strings right before the 2002 Wimbledon. According to Jay Schweid, quoted in Tennis Week magazine, 60 of the top 100 male pros use off the shelf racquets with no customization, including lead tape, whatsoever. If it makes you happy to believe touring pros have Excaliburs delivered to them from Mt. Olympus, continue to do so but the evidence offered is flimsy to say the least.
 
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ian mercier

Rookie
boy, you guys have short memories. It's been demonstrated, without a doubt, that Roger Federer has in fact changed racquets recently. These were not cosmetic (or paint job) changes but alterations to the racquet's shape, etc. Go back and look at the very clear images from a recent past post and you'll see.

It's true that the jury is still out (for some) on whether he's using an off-the-shelf model, something that's partially customized, or a fully customized frame. However, the press release is just false if it's saying that he hasn't changed racquets in six years (unless they don't count the alterations I mentioned above as a "racquet change").
 
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William Bedford

Rookie
Its been documented on this webite that federer has used several different frames during the last 16-20 months. Is it too far fetched to believe that he has had certain modifications to his frame?

Imaging, playing for Wilson and being number 1 in the world. They know your optimum frame weight / balance and handle specs. Why not try a few different compounds to check if this is any performance improvements. Federer was one of the first to use the Gut mains lux crosses. He has also used proportinal stringing at one point. Seems like he has a open mind to try new things - and why not?

Anyways, if you or I ever had Federers actual stick - we couldnt play like him......
 
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Datacipher

Banned
Brad Smith said:
Paintjobs are advertising plain and simple. Whether one thinks they constitute false advertising or not is a matter for debate, but once you learn to accept that it is advertising you can put it in the proper context along with all those late night infomercials. Do they think we're stupid -- no. Do they think we're susceptible to subliminal suggestion -- yes. Do they think that product placement can subconsciously affect purchasing decisions -- yes. Are they correct -- yes.
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Yes, and I think the very act of producing generation after generation of new lines, makes people (especially people like those on this board who really like the game and follow these things) subconsciously feel they must keep up.

Just like when newer faster computers keep coming out...after a couple years I have friends who say...gee, I should get a new system...mine is old...."for what?" I ask....inevitable they suddenly struggle for an answer....gee, if you're gonna just do the same stuff you've been doing why do you need a new one....well mine is pretty old now...a few generations behind ;-)

I feel the pressure myself....but then I remind myself....will these racquets REALLY make a significant difference in my game....heck no.....are these sticks really even better....in general probably not particularly....it's the player not the racquet....pros can play with broomsticks and kick your butt....it reminds me to refocus improvement efforts on my strokes...not equipment...still when you look at all the shiny new sticks...well...I understand the temptation...

I like in regards to players racquets how they always say with new "x"code technology the racquet is 20% more powerful and 30% more stable. Gee, when you add up all the numbers with each new technology improvement we must have racquets about 500% more powerful and stable than the the 10 yr ago models....why would any advanced player even want that? lol.
 
Pushmaster

Pushmaster

Hall of Fame
With the talent, and skills Federer has, he could have switched to the Wilson Triad Hammer 2.0 Rollers (w/ nCode paintjob of course) :lol: and he would still be the #1 tennis player in the world. :p
 
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alexdedo81

New User
Let's just stop all this talking about Federer's racquet... HE'S NOT USING ANY TOUR 90 OR N-CODE!!!! You just need to take a look at his racquet... you can barely count 9 crosses in the white area (4 on the PWS) whereas on every other damn pic of the n-code I've seen on e-bay or posted on this site you can count 10 crosses in the white area (5 on the PWS)!!!!!! It's definitely a paintjob... no need to say anything else... I'm sorry if you guys out there have a racuqet store and need to sell the new raquets... people will buy them anyway just to look like their favourite players or if they find them suitable and comfortable for their game... but let's just stop kidding ourselves!!! Everybody has eyes to compare these pics and take a look to what I just said!!!!!!!! :wink: http://sports.yahoo.com/ten/photo?slug=rog11105251226.france_tennis_french_open_rog111&prov=ap
http://home.earthlink.net/~madtennisplayer/
 
David Pavlich

David Pavlich

Professional
Pushmaster said:
With the talent, and skills Federer has, he could have switched to the Wilson Triad Hammer 2.0 Rollers (w/ nCode paintjob of course) :lol: and he would still be the #1 tennis player in the world. :p
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He wouldn't do that...he'd just tick off the stringers! Ya gott'a love the rollers!

David
 
BreakPoint

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
William,

The home.earthlink.net link does not work. I get a "page not found". Could you please re-post or fix? Is this a pic of the nCode Six-One Tour that you hit with?

Thanks
 
ProStaffTour90

ProStaffTour90

Rookie
What's to say that Fed hasn't been using the n-code for a while under a tour 90 paintjob! And for marketing reasons and press coverage he is now using the n-code paintjob just before th GS!
 
Head_Rocketman

Head_Rocketman

Rookie
Brad Smith said:
Paintjobs are advertising plain and simple. Whether one thinks they constitute false advertising or not is a matter for debate, but once you learn to accept that it is advertising you can put it in the proper context along with all those late night infomercials. Do they think we're stupid -- no. Do they think we're susceptible to subliminal suggestion -- yes. Do they think that product placement can subconsciously affect purchasing decisions -- yes. Are they correct -- yes.
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what you say as far as advertisement for paintjobs sounds cool and honets, but the reality is that most people don't know about paintjobs, and there isn't even an attitude of honesty by companies when it comes to admitting that their pros dont use the new technology
 
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