Federer has Golden chance to deny Nadal GOAT status

WhiskeyEE

G.O.A.T.
He's calling me a racist because he said Spanish is a language nobody cares about, and I responded by saying that any of the thousand of dialects spoken in his ancestral village are useless in the civilized world, which is an objective fact.

He has been reported.

If nothing else, you seem completely obsessed with racial/ethnic relations and topics. I've never seen someone talk so much about something so unrelated on a sports forum.
 
If nothing else, you seem completely obsessed with racial/ethnic relations and topics. I've never seen someone talk so much about something so unrelated on a sports forum.

No, I'm not. What have I said besides that conversation that Solo started deriding Spanish?

I understand your intent is to stir crap, I'm just asking you to prove it.

And I have friends (and some family members) of about every race, so you fail.
 
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Towser83

G.O.A.T.
Very true, Towser. Nadal never goes down without a fight. Some folks thought he was done after Djokovic won those 7 consecutive finals in 2011, but I had the feeling he would come round and he eventually did. You support Djokovic, don't you? What do you think will happen next? Do you think he'll regroup nicely for the French Open?

Yeah Djokovic is one of my favourite players, favourite after Fed but I've tended to support Novak more recently because I feel it was his time.

Hard to say what will happen, but I don't feel this is a huge loss here.He's had loads of matches he could have lost (2 previously against Wawrinka) so he had to lose one, I don't think his play was worse than last year and given that Nadal hasn't been at his best, Djokovic would have been favourite to win the event if he had won the match.

RG is a long way off, but I would think he regroups for IW/Miami and does fairly well there. He's had some setbacks but usually picks himself up. I think he'll be in the mix for RG but don't know if he'll manage to beat Nadal this time but he should be the main threat to Nadal there.

I feel he picked the wrong time to hire Becker, should have done it after the AO and had IW/Miami and all the clay events leading up to RG. But I don't think this loss is a disaster, I was more concerned about his loss at the USO because he had lost 2 HC matches on the spin to Nadal, 2 slam matches in a row and kind of threw away the 3rd set and got belted in the 4th and that could have really given him a mental block vs Nadal. He came back strong so hopefully he can do it again.
 

WhiskeyEE

G.O.A.T.
No, I'm not. What have I said besides that conversation that Solo started deriding Spanish?

I understand your intent is to stir crap, I'm just asking you to prove it.

And I have friends (and some family members) from about every race, so you fail.

I said that you seem obsessed with racial/ethnic topics. I have seen you post about them again and again and again. This is a tennis forum.

I don't care enough to dig through your 2800 posts. Even if I could ball park when you said them, the search would take too much time. I was just stating why the other guy might have said what he did. Feel free to report me and have it removed. Whiner.
 
Yeah Djokovic is one of my favourite players, favourite after Fed but I've tended to support Novak more recently because I feel it was his time.

Hard to say what will happen, but I don't feel this is a huge loss here.He's had loads of matches he could have lost (2 previously against Wawrinka) so he had to lose one, I don't think his play was worse than last year and given that Nadal hasn't been at his best, Djokovic would have been favourite to win the event if he had won the match.

RG is a long way off, but I would think he regroups for IW/Miami and does fairly well there. He's had some setbacks but usually picks himself up. I think he'll be in the mix for RG but don't know if he'll manage to beat Nadal this time but he should be the main threat to Nadal there.

I feel he picked the wrong time to hire Becker, should have done it after the AO and had IW/Miami and all the clay events leading up to RG. But I don't think this loss is a disaster, I was more concerned about his loss at the USO because he had lost 2 HC matches on the spin to Nadal, 2 slam matches in a row and kind of threw away the 3rd set and got belted in the 4th and that could have really given him a mental block vs Nadal. He came back strong so hopefully he can do it again.

I agree that I think he will bounce back quick and get on with things. I actually agree about the timing for hiring Becker being really bad. I started a thread a while back, buit I think you might have been absent from the forum: http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=486104
 
I said that you seem obsessed with racial/ethnic topics. I have seen you post about them again and again and again. This is a tennis forum.

I don't care enough to dig through your 2800 posts. Even if I could ball park when you said them, the search would take too much time. I was just stating why the other guy might have said what he did. Feel free to report me and have it removed. Whiner.

You are acting in bad faith. Racism isn't allowed in this forum, and everybody should report it immediately. I was one of the harshest critics in that unfortunate Serena thread that got started after she lost.

And all I did recently is respond to Solo's prejudiced statement that nobody cares about Spanish, and also call monfed on calling Nadal "a cheating Spaniard that should go back to Majorca, where he belongs". If I'm not allowed to call people on these things and then I'm called a racist when I do, I think it's not fair.

Regardless, a lot of people read my posts and know me well. That accusation is outrageous, and a pathetic attempt to stir crap on your side. You are shameful.
 
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Towser83

G.O.A.T.
I agree that I think he will bounce back quick and get on with things. I actually agree about the timing for hiring Becker being really bad. I started a thread a while back, buit I think you might have been absent from the forum: http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=486104

I totally agree with your thread! Well written. I think timing changes is very important, for instance Fed tried to change racquet but had to change back when he didn't have enough time to adapt, now he's had the time in the off season and it seems to be working better. But a whole new coach seems like something you don't want to do eight before the first slam of the year, especially when it's your best slam and you're defending it - Djokovic didn't even play a proper warmup event, just the exhibition tournament.
 

WhiskeyEE

G.O.A.T.
You are acting in bad faith. Racism isn't allowed in this forum, and everybody should report it iemmediately. I was one of the harshest critics in that unfortunate Serena thread that got started after she lost.

And all I did recently is respond to Solo's prejudiced statement that novody cares about Spanish, and also call monfed on calling Nadal "a cheating Spanoard that should go back to Majorca, where he belongs". If I'm not allowed to call people on these thingfs and then I'm call a racist I think it's not fair.

Regardless, a lot of people read my posts and know me well. That accusation is outrageous, and a pathetic attempt to stir crap on your side. You are shameful.

I didn't begin stirring anything. I was adding to the conversation between you and the other poster. I had that thought a while ago and kept my lips sealed. As it turns out, I'm not the only one who noticed it.
 
I totally agree with your thread! Well written. I think timing changes is very important, for instance Fed tried to change racquet but had to change back when he didn't have enough time to adapt, now he's had the time in the off season and it seems to be working better. But a whole new coach seems like something you don't want to do eight before the first slam of the year, especially when it's your best slam and you're defending it - Djokovic didn't even play a proper warmup event, just the exhibition tournament.

Thank you for reading it and agreeing with me. Yeah, timing is everything! My guess is that Djokovic will keep Becker for a while, but I don't see the relationship continuing beyond Wimbledon if he doesn't win the French Open or Wimby. Becker should be able to offer some help in Wimbledon in theory.
 

Towser83

G.O.A.T.
Thank you for reading it and agreeing with me. Yeah, timing is everything! My guess is that Djokovic will keep Becker for a while, but I don't see the relationship continuing beyond Wimbledon if he doesn't win the French Open or Wimby. Becker should be able to offer some help in Wimbledon in theory.

You're welcome. To be honest I think Djokovic is overthinking things and trying to do like Murray, when he achieved almost everything with his old coach. Lendl brought a different attitude to Murray but i don't thinkhe changed his game much and I don't see what Becker is going to do for Djokovic except maybe help his volleys. I think Djokovic has everything he needs to win the big events, he just has to do it.

I doubt Becker helps Djokovic win RG, Wimbledon maybe.

I could be wrong.
 

WhiskeyEE

G.O.A.T.
What you need to do is report me next time. But of course you won't, because you are just making up crap. I know we've had our differences because of your constant negative statementrs about Nadal, but this is too low and you stepped over line that you shouldn't have crossed. Go and suck a lemon, you mug.

It's Solo who said nobody cares about Spanish, not me. I called him up on it.

And now stop addressing me, I had enough of this.

I have never reported anyone on any forum because I'm not a nancy.

First of all, I wasn't attacking you. You are being way too sensitive. I noticed that you comment on racial/ethnic topics often and maybe that's why the other poster said what he did.
 

boogie

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I just wanted to add my 2 cents before the match starts tomorrow.......I totally agree this could be a once in a lifetime chance for fed to get a good W over rafa in a grand slam setting!! Also with Rafa a little banged up he could really have a shot this time.
I believe if Fed wins the OZ this year you can pencil him in for a total of 19-20 majors!! Another Wimbledon is very much in his reach so adding the OZ would just be gravy if u ask me!! This is crucial for Fed cause I also believe Rafa could be penciled in for 3 more FO titles when all is said and done which would leave him at 16 total majors, that is even a conservative prediction he could easily win another US Open or Aussie. So to be conservative I would give Rafa 2-3 majors a stretch would be 4-5. Which is why Fed winning the OZ would be huge!! Finally as optimistic as I would like to be regarding the match tomorrow I just don't see it happening....if it was a master event ok I would definetly favor fed but 3-5 gonna be real tough but I hope I'm wrong and I hope by Monday morning I wake up to see Fed crying tears of joy holding up the OZ open trophy.....All we can do is hope.....
 
Ok have you seen the pics? It's looks pretty bad! http://metro.co.uk/2014/01/22/rafae...australian-open-despite-huge-blister-4272524/
I say Nadal is slight favorite because of the mental edge, and slam h2h. But I get the feeling Fed wants this one. And Nadal played crap vs Dimitrov

how does it look bad......thats not blood you drongo http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/01/rafael-nadal-blisters-australian-open-roger-federer/ scroll down and check it out!its nothing.
 
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Nathaniel_Near

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Holy balls the stuff I've missed since yesterday.

Forehand of Doom also being got at and starting to lose his freaking mind as well.

This upcoming Fedal match is really causing several penises to lose their usual function and it's reducing the level of sperm production very significantly.
 

Ralph

Hall of Fame
(The other) Ralph has a blister of the hand, which he has played through successfully before.

Roger has a blister of the mental type, which he hasn't healed in 7 years.

I know which one, regardless of current form, is likely to influence the match more. I hope I am wrong.
 

Chanwan

G.O.A.T.
How many times have we seen this scenario play out.

History tells us Nadal will eventually prevail, someway, somehow.

At this point i give Federer 20% chance of winning
If Fed wins 1st set, i give him 40% 30-35 chance of winning
If Fed wins first 2 sets, i give him 60% 80 chance of winning
If Fed loses the 1st set, i give him 10% chance of winning
If Fed loses the first 2 sets, i give him 0.01% chance of winning
If Fed goes up 2 sets to 1, i give him 50% chance of winning
If Fed goes down 2 sets to 1, i give him 30% 20chance of winning
If it goes to 5, i give him about 5% 15 chance of winning

sounds about right - I've adjusted the percentages a bit
 

Chanwan

G.O.A.T.
As for the Federer fanbase suffering the same type of scorn and accusations as the Nadal fanbase, if you truly are unbiased, you will realize they are not even in the same level. Doping, cheating, and all sorts of crap. Federer suffers ridicule because of the H2H and his crying in trophy ceremonies, but no accusations of the magnitude and viciousness with which radical Fen fanatics seem to enjoy attacking Nadal.

So yeah, I reiterate what I said in my previous post.

Doping accusations without proof are undeniable over the top. They have been made against Fed as well though. That said, for non-rational fans, who already hate Nadal to the core, there's something about his game that - more easily than Federer's game - lends itself to doping-accusations. I.e. the utter physicality of his game, the ability to run, run and then run some more and find his best level in the fifth or six hour of a match. And then go out there the next day and do it all over. Plus that vast difference between his results in the first half and the second half of the year.
To be clear - I'm by no means saying he's a doper. But for someone inclined to that line of thinking, it's not a massive step to take.

As for the 'cheating', that is a logical response to Nadal's (and Toni's) actions on the court. Rafa takes too much time between points, Toni coaches him illegally from the sidelines and has admitted as much and been fined for it. Now you may or may not think of this stuff as a big deal. But you cannot expect a fanbase from another player not to call him out on it (and when that happens, you have a bunch of Rafa fans pointing to the one or two instances where Fed might or might not have attempted to cheat)

Finally, you yourself (who's a rather classy fan for 90 % of the time:)) has in this thread made a comment such as
"I was checking betting odds earlier and they are 3.45:1 that Princess will cry again if he loses."

To me, that's at the very least as offensive as calling a player, who match in and match out continuously breaks and bends the rules a cheater. As that is objective according to the facts at hand - just as well as Fed did cry after one of his Aus Open loses (I would heighten the odds though, this is only a semi).

For any fan of a particular player, the other fanbase will seem just as bad (if you can see the splinter in your own eye) or worse.

I personally get a whole lot more provoked by the Nadal fanbase, because they attack my favorite player and I suppose the vice versa is true. But I still personally regard the worst of the Fed and the Nadal fanbases as equally bad

If any one can say which fanbase is worse, it would have to be a truly neutral fan (and the two of us are neither), who spends enough of his or her time on tennis forums to have an idea.
Any idea of who could be a good judge? I don't.
 
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It's going to take a Herculean effort.

Nadal and his team are probably up for the task, though, right?
 
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