Adapting from a grass court specialist to hards and vice versa is far more easier than adapting from clay court specialist to hard and grass. This is suggested by history. It is virtually impossible to be a god on clay as well as being very good at grass or hard. So nadal as good as he is on clay has done outstanding on other surfaces.
Federer has won more titles than Nadal at 10 of the 14 most significant tournaments in tennis
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kevaninho
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Do as you please.
Steve0904
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His legacy will never be decided by one point. 20 slams is 20 slams. One point won't change that. Nadal's going to win more than 20 slams anyway, and more than 21. 25 or 26 is a nice estimate for Nadal. And Djoker will likely finish above 20 as well.
Doesn't change anything about Fed's legacy though (other than him not being the most accomplished player ever).
21 is also an estimate. You never know what will happen in tennis. Yes it's likely he will get it, but not certain. If he doesn't get it, that one point could mean everything.
Steve0904
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Not certain yet, but will be after he hits 21 which is inevitable because he's too good at RG, even if he messes it up next year he is likely to win in 2022. And he is still a contender at all 4 slams, never mind just trampling people at RG.
The point is if Nadal or Djokovic never win anything again, no matter how unlikely that is it is a possibility, that one point could mean everything. Biggest brain fart of Fed's career.
Steve0904
Talk Tennis Guru
Fair enough. Still don't agree that it truly affects his legacy though. Yeah he won't be the "GOAT" anymore, but he still won 20 slams. That's not nothing. Far from it, regardless of any comparisons with Nadal and Djokovic.
Of course 20 slams is great! But not being "the" GOAT is a huge factor on legacy. Every list 20 years from now won't have him in the #1 spot anymore.
Steve0904
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True. Doesn't matter to me, but I get what you're saying.
AlexanderTheGreat08
Hall of Fame
And it’s still tied. Federer can only blame himself for not stopping Nadal at RG
I have no clue why I care about it. Doesn't affect my life. But I still get nightmarish flashbacks to that point.
It’s so different to the rest though. Once every four years, constantly changing surface and location, different scoring system in the final as the rest of the tournament (which you don’t see anymore nowadays).
It’s not a tournament like the rest are. One player can’t have a game suited for the Olympics, like one could have for Indian wells (slow hc) or Wimbledon (grass specialist)
King No1e
G.O.A.T.
Did you mean:
Federer has won more titles than Nadal at 40 of the 15 most significant tournaments in tennis
TennisProExpert
Semi-Pro
Yeah true. You can thank the inept nextgen for that too. Are we now on 3 generations that still haven’t dethroned the top guys?
tlm
G.O.A.T.
Ya they remind me of the chumps that Fed won a majority of his majors against.
It won't be the end of the world if Nads ends up with more Slams. It will be ok.
titoelcolombiano
Legend
At the very old age of 26 Fed was no longer in control of the men's tour. He had a nice run with his own generation up until that age but didn't consistently have an answer for firstly Nadal and later Djokovic so they took control. How many of those titles were accumulated after that point?
titoelcolombiano
Legend
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TennisProExpert
Semi-Pro
And Djokovic had to wait until Federer was past his best to consistently dominate the tour. How many titles did he win before that happened? Before that, he didn’t have an answer.
How many times did Nadal win the most prestigious tennis tournament? Twice.
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mike danny
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Roger turned pro in 1998, Rafa in 2001. 5 years LOL.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Most of these numbers were set by the time he hit Nadal's age anyway, so I don't understand this question.
UnderratedSlam
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All that this irrelevant stat means is that Nadal is more autistic about his events.
When he likes an event he really likes it.
When he likes an event he really likes it.
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Deleted member 771911
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This is the minutiae that will be scoured and analysed in the GOAT tiebreaker.
If you only count titles from when Nadal won his first at each event then Federer has still won more titles at 7 of the 14 biggest events in the calendar. Think about that. Give Nadal every advantage and remove Federer's best years and Federer is still greater at half the events.
Third Serve
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What a strange sentence.
just business as usual for this particular poster
UnderratedSlam
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Confused about my posts?
Address the poster then (me), I'll explain them to you, don't go sneaking around corners...
I don't bite. (Not always.)
titoelcolombiano
Legend
What percentage of Fed's stats were accumulated before the age of 26 and what percentage of his stats were accumulated after 26?
titoelcolombiano
Legend
Nadal has won the most prestigeous tournaments (the slams) 20 times. I'll leave the defense of Djokovic to his fans.
Why do you ask?
TennisProExpert
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What percentage of Djokovic’s stats were accumulated before the age of 27 and after 27?
D-Lite
Hall of Fame
OMG I need this kitAnd it won't mean a damn thing when RAFA gets #21
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Deleted member 744633
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Recently, Pete Sampras and Tim Henman featured in a great conversation about all things ATP Champions Tour. During this conversation, they gave their opinions on the prized Grand Slam record. Sampras expressed his viewpoint first and said,
“Novak and Rafa being younger than Roger, who knows how long Roger is going to play. If Novak plays for another 5 years and Rafa, they can make it easily past 20. I know Roger is already at 20 but they got to do it.”
Sampras is clearly backing Nadal and Djokovic to beat Federer’s record.
“Novak and Rafa being younger than Roger, who knows how long Roger is going to play. If Novak plays for another 5 years and Rafa, they can make it easily past 20. I know Roger is already at 20 but they got to do it.”
Sampras is clearly backing Nadal and Djokovic to beat Federer’s record.
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Deleted member 744633
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Machan, you may not be convinced but a former all-time great, Sampras, is. See my post above. Thanks.
Breakpointerer
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Pretty sure everyone is at this point
alexio
G.O.A.T.
why nadal should win exactly 2, not 1 or 3 ..only because you so wish yea?
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dominikk1985
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Fed fans in 2023 when nadal has 21 slams and novak has 23:
But Federer has won more slams when the temperature was between 68 and 72 degrees and there is full moon, so he clearly is still the GOAT.
But Federer has won more slams when the temperature was between 68 and 72 degrees and there is full moon, so he clearly is still the GOAT.
TennisProExpert
Semi-Pro
It does. Usually grass is the quickest surface with most uneven and low bounce. Even Wimbledon with the new grass is still better than clay or slow HC.LOL!
Requires much more skill than slow surfaces which are a test of who can run the most and hit the most topspin.
alexio
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ok fed is the undisputed goat then ..because of that
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Deleted member 744633
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Machan ... sorry but anyone who claims one surface requires more skill than another simply doesn't possess any real world experience of playing on real courts. Watching on TV isn't the same as playing on a real court.
Top level tennis that the all-time greats play requires considerable skill on every damn surface so let's not get caught up in measuring d*icks here.
TennisProExpert
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I’ve played on fast hc and clay, fast HC was by far the hardest. Clay was pretty easy.
Haven’t played on grass sadly, but just from tennis knowledge it takes the most technique and skill to succeed on.
The experts would say that's nonsense because when you can win 21 WB you are good enough to win the US and AO as well.
There will never be a player who can win 10 Slams just at one slam, it's impossible because he is too good to not win somewhere else. Nadal has been too good to only win 13 RG and Roger is too good to only win Wimbledon.
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I apologize Machan, I thought you had probably never played. Value your opinion
But I've also seen some people say clay requires more skill. So must be one of those things where people have different opinions based on their own experiences.
Third Serve
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I've played on carpet, red clay, hc, and green clay, and the hardest for me was probably red clay while carpet came most naturally to me.
TennisProExpert
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Was it the movement or high bounce of clay? To be fair you’re probably a much better player than me.
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