Federer is back to No.2 at age 34 yrs 9 mths ?

[tennisaddict]

Just was checking http://live-tennis.eu/ and noticed Fed is back to No.2 , having just played 1 tournament since Jan.

Granted, this ranking may not last long as he has a Rome, Wimb , USO and WTF Finals , Cinci title to defend, but if Fed had played Rotterdam, IW, Miami and Madrid, he would have been a firm No 2 for one more year.

Murray also has RG final, Wimb SF to defend , so we could see some back and forth ranking change should Fed do even decently the second half of the season.

 

[kishnabe]

Weak era....when Gramps who played 2 events this year is ranked number 2....

 

[Chadillac]

Reclaiming the #2 ranking with a bad back is a testiment to his greatness. Murray has a lot of points to defend and stan isnt exactly consistent. Nadal will slumber the 2nd half like he always does when playing good. #2 is a lock for him.

 

[Poisoned Slice]

 

[jm1980]

Weak era....when Gramps who played 2 events this year is ranked number 2....

3 events: Brisbane, AO, and MC... Murray only played 5 events

 

[fednad]

Always told you , the mental giant PossumOCrapovich is ruling in the strongest era of tennis.

 

[Raindogs]

You guys do understand that the 34 of today is not quite the same as it was decades ago with advances in nutrition and physio training techniques?

Pros today can squeeze some high level play out of the early 30s provided serious injury doesn't become a limiting factor.

The argument that the era is weak due to 25 year olds not dominating the rankings is, quite frankly, rather weak.

 

[fednad]

Always told you of the strong era that we are in ....

 

[beast of mallorca]

Just was checking http://live-tennis.eu/ and noticed Fed is back to No.2 , having just played 1 tournament since Jan.

Granted, this ranking may not last long as he has a Rome, Wimb , USO and WTF Finals , Cinci title to defend, but if Fed had played Rotterdam, IW, Miami and Madrid, he would have been a firm No 2 for one more year.

Murray also has RG final, Wimb SF to defend , so we could see some back and forth ranking change should Fed do even decently the second half of the season.

You mean French Open SF for Murray, Chichi.......fyi

 

[Russeljones]

Strongest era on record.

 

[Tshooter]

GOAT Roger !

 

[Noelan]

Just was checking http://live-tennis.eu/ and noticed Fed is back to No.2 , having just played 1 tournament since Jan.

Granted, this ranking may not last long as he has a Rome, Wimb , USO and WTF Finals , Cinci title to defend, but if Fed had played Rotterdam, IW, Miami and Madrid, he would have been a firm No 2 for one more year.

Murray also has RG final, Wimb SF to defend , so we could see some back and forth ranking change should Fed do even decently the second half of the season.

Murray has not RG final fo defend as he hadn't reached it last year or ever ,you dummy.

Hopefuly Federer will be soon out of Top 10 as ATP race list just shows (14).

 

[NatF]

Murray has not RG final fo defend as he hadn't reached it last year or ever ,you dummy.

Hopefuly Federer will be soon out of Top 10 as ATP race list just shows (14).

Stay classy Noelan

 

[Noelan]

Stay classy Noelan

He has had great career, but as his fanatic says he's now too old, it's time to fall off out top ranking.
Ofc I would like him to stay injury free as any player/athlete, so please...

 

[NatF]

He has had great career, but as his fanatic says he's now too old, it's time to fall off out top ranking.
Ofc I would like him to stay injury free as any player/athlete, so please...

Some of his fanatics say his too old...

I'd like these legends to play for as long as possible, Nadal, Djokovic and Federer bring something special to the game - especially when they go deep in big tournaments.

I said nothing about you wishing injury on him, just the hateful tone of your post.

 

[Russeljones]

Some of his fanatics say his too old...

I'd like these legends to play for as long as possible, Nadal, Djokovic and Federer bring something special to the game - especially when they go deep in big tournaments.

I said nothing about you wishing injury on him, just the hateful tone of your post.

Djokovic can stop, to be honest. I can't wait to see Federer and Nadal resume their tussle at the top of the sport and re-establish the true strong era.

 

[Jonas78]

You guys do understand that the 34 of today is not quite the same as it was decades ago with advances in nutrition and physio training techniques?

Pros today can squeeze some high level play out of the early 30s provided serious injury doesn't become a limiting factor.

The argument that the era is weak due to 25 year olds not dominating the rankings is, quite frankly, rather weak.

I really dont agree with you. In 2009 the year-end rank was:
1. Federer
2. Nadal
3. Djokovic
4. Murray
5. Del Potro.

You had 4 players under 25 years who were Federers main rivals. You seriously think nutrition, surgery and physio training techniques have stopped the ageing process and turned the tennis world upside down sinse 2010?? Come on! The problem is that you have NO players born after 1990 who are capable of doing what they should do. You have a declined player like Berdych still ranked nr 8, who really should have been pushed out of the top 10 by now. This is in no way meant as an insult to Nole and his fans, its definetly not Novaks fault, and im sure he could have handled tougher opposition. But the statement that there has been extreme changes in 6 years (2010), so that 25 years old nowadays are unable to compete with 30 years olds, is extremely weak.

 

[Noelan]

Some of his fanatics say his too old...

I'd like these legends to play for as long as possible, Nadal, Djokovic and Federer bring something special to the game - especially when they go deep in big tournaments.

I said nothing about you wishing injury on him, just the hateful tone of your post.

It's not hateful tone , it's realistic
Federer is not my fav by any means and I'm not afraid to express it here , but FYI I do respect his achievements in tennis . Belive it or not ,I don't care.

 

[Raindogs]

I really dont agree with you. In 2009 the year-end rank was:
1. Federer
2. Nadal
3. Djokovic
4. Murray
5. Del Potro.

You had 4 players under 25 years who were Federers main rivals. You seriously think nutrition, surgery and physio training techniques have stopped the ageing process and turned the tennis world upside down sinse 2010?? Come on! The problem is that you have NO players born after 1990 who are capable of doing what they should do. You have a declined player like Berdych still ranked nr 8, who really should have been pushed out of the top 10 by now. This is in no way meant as an insult to Nole and his fans, its definetly not Novaks fault, and im sure he could have handled tougher opposition. But the statement that there has been extreme changes in 6 years (2010), so that 25 years old nowadays are unable to compete with 30 years olds, is extremely weak.

I agree that the upcoming generation is rather weak. But I do not use as evidence the continued success of players in their early (or mid as Fed's case) 30s as evidence of such a weak era. Players in all sports are achieving more in later years from better nutrition and training techniques. I was just saying that to jump on Fed's age and continued success as evidence of a weak era is intellectually lazy.

 

[NatF]

It's not hateful tone , it's realistic
Federer is not my fav by any means and I'm not afraid to express it here , but FYI I do respect his achievements in tennis . Belive it or not ,I don't care.

We'll see how realistic it is when Federer is actually able to play this year. I expect he'll still be inside the top 5 at the end of the year.

If you didn't care you wouldn't wishing for him to have declining results

 

[Guitario]

I really dont agree with you. In 2009 the year-end rank was:
1. Federer
2. Nadal
3. Djokovic
4. Murray
5. Del Potro.

You had 4 players under 25 years who were Federers main rivals. You seriously think nutrition, surgery and physio training techniques have stopped the ageing process and turned the tennis world upside down sinse 2010?? Come on! The problem is that you have NO players born after 1990 who are capable of doing what they should do. You have a declined player like Berdych still ranked nr 8, who really should have been pushed out of the top 10 by now. This is in no way meant as an insult to Nole and his fans, its definetly not Novaks fault, and im sure he could have handled tougher opposition. But the statement that there has been extreme changes in 6 years (2010), so that 25 years old nowadays are unable to compete with 30 years olds, is extremely weak.

As the it's been shown over the years, that was an extraordinary collection of players all reaching the top of the game at roughly the same time. Usually it's more staggered than that, but we've had 4 truly great players at once, which is a rarity.

Why don't we see 25 year old players dominating at the moment? Obviously because those 4 players are still the best. Ok, Nadal and Federer are not longer as consistent as they were, but they tend to perform at the highest ranking events - the big matches.

The likes of Nishikori and Raonic have the potential to be future world number one's, but it's important for a top young player to win a slam or two, gain that belief, confidence, and even a touch of arrogance within their game to establish themselves. As it stands, they aren't getting many opportunities to win a slam as Djokovic is winning most of them.

You can only forge a winning mentality by winning - and until those currently at the very top start declining and losing a little consistency, it will be extremely difficult for a promising future great to mix it in those same circles.

 

[Noelan]

We'll see how realistic it is when Federer is actually able to play this year. I expect he'll still be inside the top 5 at the end of the year.

If you didn't care you wouldn't wishing for him to have declining results

You got it wrong ,I don't care what you fanboys think about me, and the way that you jump on everyone who is not willing to bow down to Federer .
He is 969 yo Methuselah ( according to his fans), so deciline is natural process in his case.
There is more than enough tennis infront of us in 2016, so I will leave this tennisfedfanaticaddict thread

 

[Jonas78]

As the it's been shown over the years, that was an extraordinary collection of players all reaching the top of the game at roughly the same time. Usually it's more staggered than that, but we've had 4 truly great players at once, which is a rarity.

Why don't we see 25 year old players dominating at the moment? Obviously because those 4 players are still the best. Ok, Nadal and Federer are not longer as consistent as they were, but they tend to perform at the highest ranking events - the big matches.

The likes of Nishikori and Raonic have the potential to be future world number one's, but it's important for a top young player to win a slam or two, gain that belief, confidence, and even a touch of arrogance within their game to establish themselves. As it stands, they aren't getting many opportunities to win a slam as Djokovic is winning most of them.

You can only forge a winning mentality by winning - and until those currently at the very top start declining and losing a little consistency, it will be extremely difficult for a promising future great to mix it in those same circles.

In my opinion, all of the 5 mentioned players have declined sinse 2009, except Djokovic, still they are top 5 (except DP of course). And had it been so well, that the post 90 generation had taken the next spots on the ranking, it wouldnt bee that bad. But the post 90 generation cant even defeat Gasquet, Berdych and Tsonga. If Nishikori and Raonic (who actually are pre 90) had the game as the 5 mentioned players, they would have been in the top 5 by now.

 

[NatF]

You got it wrong ,I don't care what you fanboys think about me, and the way that you jump on everyone who is not willing to bow down to Federer .
He is 969 yo Methuselah ( according to his fans), so deciline is natural process in his case.
There is more than enough tennis infront of us in 2016, so I will leave this tennisfedfanaticaddict thread

yes I'm such a fanboy. There's a plank of wood in your eye buddy.

I don't care if you like him, I was just gently ribbing you for your comment - as it came across as more mildly hostile towards the Fed than I usually expect from you. If you owned up to it that would have been the end of it but you then tried to act like you were indifferent to Federer If I went around saying "I hope Djokovic falls from the top spot soon" I'm sure you or some of your brethren would be onto it - I doubt you would accept me saying how I didn't care about Djokovic afterwards.

Essentially you can't take a bit of banter.

And yes much tennis is to come this season, Rome my favourite masters is round the corner. I'll be enjoying it regardless of how Federer or Djokovic does - because I'm a raging fanboy.

 

[RF-18]

Djokovic can stop, to be honest. I can't wait to see Federer and Nadal resume their tussle at the top of the sport and re-establish the true strong era.

Butthurtness is beginning to get strong..

 

[Jonas78]

I agree that the upcoming generation is rather weak. But I do not use as evidence the continued success of players in their early (or mid as Fed's case) 30s as evidence of such a weak era. Players in all sports are achieving more in later years from better nutrition and training techniques. I was just saying that to jump on Fed's age and continued success as evidence of a weak era is intellectually lazy.

No doubt players are retiring later today. I still believe that most players will start to decline in a sport like tennis around age 29/30. Still noone has won more than 2 slams past 30 sinse Laver, it seems like a lot of people forget that. Until we have 30 year olds cashing in multiple slams after 30 i stick to my belief that players usually have their prime before 30.

 

[vanioMan]

 

[Nonsense]

Just was checking http://live-tennis.eu/ and noticed Fed is back to No.2 , having just played 1 tournament since Jan.

Granted, this ranking may not last long as he has a Rome, Wimb , USO and WTF Finals , Cinci title to defend, but if Fed had played Rotterdam, IW, Miami and Madrid, he would have been a firm No 2 for one more year.

Murray also has RG final, Wimb SF to defend , so we could see some back and forth ranking change should Fed do even decently the second half of the season.

RG semifinal... which should be made easier if he retakes the No. 2 rank before that... and Nadal also ends up in Novak's half.

If that happens I think he could even reach a final there! SF should be easy-ish considering the way he's played on clay since last year.

Post RG - Andy has about 4200 points to defend until the end of the year, Fed has about 5500 points to defend... so Andy's got a chance to catch up or go further ahead there.

So I think if Andy's ahead after RG, he'll get himself a nice lead for the rest of the year and stay at No. 2.

 

[Nonsense]

3 events: Brisbane, AO, and MC... Murray only played 5 events

For some reason I thought Andy had played a warm up before AO... not a huge gap between 3 and 5 really. Skipped Rotterdam, Dubai & Munich!

 

[PeterHo]

I really dont agree with you. In 2009 the year-end rank was:
1. Federer
2. Nadal
3. Djokovic
4. Murray
5. Del Potro.

You had 4 players under 25 years who were Federers main rivals. You seriously think nutrition, surgery and physio training techniques have stopped the ageing process and turned the tennis world upside down sinse 2010?? Come on! The problem is that you have NO players born after 1990 who are capable of doing what they should do. You have a declined player like Berdych still ranked nr 8, who really should have been pushed out of the top 10 by now. This is in no way meant as an insult to Nole and his fans, its definetly not Novaks fault, and im sure he could have handled tougher opposition. But the statement that there has been extreme changes in 6 years (2010), so that 25 years old nowadays are unable to compete with 30 years olds, is extremely weak.

The list u had actually showed a weak era in feds generation.

Why?

Federers generation all got pushed out of top 5 by newbies. Fed was the only guy left.

Fact is novaks generation has lasted the longest in the top 10, when compared to feds generation and the nextgen.

This actually means noles generation of players is the strongest!!!

 

[Jonas78]

The list u had actually showed a weak era in feds generation.

Why?

Federers generation all got pushed out of top 5 by newbies. Fed was the only guy left.

Fact is novaks generation has lasted the longest in the top 10, when compared to feds generation and the nextgen.

This actually means noles generation of players is the strongest!!!

I dont think it was a weak era. All the way back in tennis-history the great players have won slams before age 25. I dont buy the statement that todays top 10 is so strong that the younger guys dont stand a chance. I actually mean that many of the top 10-15 players have declined, and it is a sign of weakness that none of the younger players have taken their place. In 5-10 years i think we will see younger players winning slams again.

 

[PeterHo]

I dont think it was a weak era. All the way back in tennis-history the great players have won slams before age 25. I dont buy the statement that todays top 10 is so strong that the younger guys dont stand a chance. I actually mean that many of the top 10-15 players have declined, and it is a sign of weakness that none of the younger players have taken their place. In 5-10 years i think we will see younger players winning slams again.

And show me which two players in history with an age gap of exactly 1 managed to win 25 slams, and counting.

No other generation is even close.

 

[The_18th_Slam]

Butthurtness is beginning to get strong..

Was it getting strong when your fellow Djokovic fan was wishing Federer would stop?

 

[NoleFam]

Federer moves up the rankings without having to do much, but Murray should blame himself for his p**s poor performances in IW and Miami. I do think that this may be the last time that Federer will be ranked #2, and Murray is poised to gain it back next week. He's inching closer to 35 and has a ****load of points to defend after the French. I just don't see him playing a lot of tournaments in the future before he hangs up the racket.

 

[Algo]

The list u had actually showed a weak era in feds generation.

Why?

Federers generation all got pushed out of top 5 by newbies. Fed was the only guy left.

Fact is novaks generation has lasted the longest in the top 10, when compared to feds generation and the nextgen.

This actually means noles generation of players is the strongest!!!

You can make numbers say anything, can ya?

 

[mattosgrant]

Federer moves up the rankings without having to do much, but Murray should blame himself for his p**s poor performances in IW and Miami. I do think that this may be the last time that Federer will be ranked #2, and Murray is poised to gain it back next week. He's inching closer to 35 and has a ****load of points to defend after the French. I just don't see him playing a lot of tournaments in the future before he hangs up the racket.

Yeah I have a feeling of that too. He returns to #2 very likely for exactly 1 week. There is a good chance he doesnt return to #2 ever again after that, particularly with a Nadal resurgence now as well.

Still doesnt take away with how remarkable it is he is still ranked that high at this age.

 

[Emperor of Belgrade]

This will probably his last week at #2.

Just to be clear, I am not wishing for that to be the case. The Rome draw is hard, he has the final there to defend. Plus there are Wimbledon and USO finals as well as Cincy to defend as well, so it's almost safe to say that Andy will finish the year as #2.

 

[accidental]

Federer hasn't even peaked yet

 

[mattosgrant]

Just curious why arent Fed and Murray both officialy ranked #2 when their points totals are exactly the same? What is the tiebreaker.

 

[Tennis_Hands]

The list u had actually showed a weak era in feds generation.

Why?

Federers generation all got pushed out of top 5 by newbies. Fed was the only guy left.

Fact is novaks generation has lasted the longest in the top 10, when compared to feds generation and the nextgen.

This actually means noles generation of players is the strongest!!!

Guys from Federer's generation:

Hewitt: plagued by injuries
Haas: Plagued by injuries
Safin: Lacking motivation and injuries
JCF: Injuries

Yeah, very representative of what might have been.

 

[NatF]

And show me which two players in history with an age gap of exactly 1 managed to win 25 slams, and counting.

No other generation is even close.

Agassi and Sampras - 22, though they had drastically different periods where they won most of their titles and they're obviously not still adding

The Nadal/Djokovic/Murray/Wawrinka generation has won a lot of slams - 29. Not sure whether Del Potro and Cilic should be included here.

The Federer/Hewitt/Safin/Ferrero/Roddick won quite a few - 23.

There was a lot of overlap between these two groups with Nadal and Federer especially.

The Agassi/Sampras generation probably performs quite well in this respect too.

Just curious why arent Fed and Murray both officialy ranked #2 when their points totals are exactly the same? What is the tiebreaker.

I think it's points won in slams IIRC.

 

[NoleFam]

Yeah I have a feeling of that too. He returns to #2 very likely for exactly 1 week. There is a good chance he doesnt return to #2 ever again after that, particularly with a Nadal resurgence now as well.

Still doesnt take away with how remarkable it is he is still ranked that high at this age.

Yea and I think he is already becoming less interested in playing a bunch of tournaments. The Slams are what is most important to him right now. It definitely is quite an achievement to be ranked that high at 34 yo.

 

[mattosgrant]

Agassi and Sampras - 22, though they had drastically different periods where they won most of their titles and they're obviously not still adding

The Nadal/Djokovic/Murray/Wawrinka generation has won a lot of slams - 29. Not sure whether Del Potro and Cilic should be included here.

I would include Del Potro and Cilic. They just feel more a part of the Nadal/Murray/Djokovic generation than the Nishikori/Raonic/Dmitrov one even if the age gap between them and the former and latter is roughly the same. Plus I dont think they deserve the punishment of being grouped with the pig slop generation of clowns.

 

[NatF]

I would include Del Potro and Cilic. They just feel more a part of the Nadal/Murray/Djokovic generation than the Nishikori/Raonic/Dmitrov one even if the age gap between them and the former and latter is roughly the same.

That's fair enough, the thing is Del Potro won his only slam in 2009, Cilic in 2014. One of those was clearly in Federer's era the other in Djokovic's. So it's hardly fair if they're both credited as competition for Djokovic but not for Federer - especially when Federer has played Del Potro 6 more times than Djokovic has.

 

[Guitario]

Imagine a young Federer, chasing his first Wimbledon title, meets the current Djokovic or Murray at some point in the tournament - there's a fairly good chance he gets knocked out..

Now lets say he keeps bumping into those two, Nadal also, during the latter stages of slams over the next year or so..

Now he will won some, but he will also lose some.

What you'll have then is instead of a brilliant young player, full of confidence and a few slams to his name, steamrolling through the competition (like what actually happened) - You'll have a guy who reaches 24/25 with maybe only 1 or 2 slams, at most.. hovering around the top 5 in the rankings.. wondering if he'll ever be able to dominate like that Novak guy at the top.

My point being, is the guys consistently residing in the top 10 are not weak players, but potentially great players with the misfortune to play in an era where there are still 4 players on tour who are virtually unbeatable if on top form. They can't build momentum.

Also, these 4 players are arguably the fittest in tennis history, with no technical weaknesses and comfortable on all surfaces. Their longevity at the top is all to do with them, not the inability of everyone else.

 

[Jonas78]

And show me which two players in history with an age gap of exactly 1 managed to win 25 slams, and counting.

No other generation is even close.

Well, 3 players have won 42 of the 49 last slams. That doesnt prove anything. The stats can be used to back up your own subjective meaning. You can say they managed to win 42 slams because they are extremely strong, or you can say they won 42 slams because the opposition is terribly weak.

By the way, you are missing my main point, which is the weakness of the post 90 generation. These guys only cant give the big 4 any challenge, but they cant even push Tsonga, Berdych and Gasquet down the ranks.

 

[NatF]

Imagine a young Federer, chasing his first Wimbledon title, meets the current Djokovic or Murray at some point in the tournament - there's a fairly good chance he gets knocked out..

Now lets say he keeps bumping into those two, Nadal also, during the latter stages of slams over the next year or so..

Now he will won some, but he will also lose some.

What you'll have then is instead of a brilliant young player, full of confidence and a few slams to his name, steamrolling through the competition (like what actually happened) - You'll have a guy who reaches 24/25 with maybe only 1 or 2 slams, at most.. hovering around the top 5 in the rankings.. wondering if he'll ever be able to dominate like that Novak guy at the top.

My point being, is the guys consistently residing in the top 10 are not weak players, but potentially great players with the misfortune to play in an era where there are still 4 players on tour who are virtually unbeatable if on top form. They can't build momentum.

Also, these 4 players are arguably the fittest in tennis history, with no technical weaknesses and comfortable on all surfaces. Their longevity at the top is all to do with them, not the inability of everyone else.

Did you just compare Federer to guys like Dimitrov and Raonic etc...?

And BTW Federer in 2003 form dismantles Murray at Wimbledon. Djokovic with his big match experience obviously poses a different challenge.

 

[Le Master]

You guys do understand that the 34 of today is not quite the same as it was decades ago with advances in nutrition and physio training techniques?

What advances have been made that are significant enough to promote this longevity? I'd be very interested in reading the studies.

 

[smoledman]

Probably will plummet from Roma to US Open with the sheer amount of points he has to defend. Enjoy it while it lasts gramps.

 

[Phoenix1983]

Agassi and Sampras - 22, though they had drastically different periods where they won most of their titles and they're obviously not still adding

The Nadal/Djokovic/Murray/Wawrinka generation has won a lot of slams - 29. Not sure whether Del Potro and Cilic should be included here.

The Federer/Hewitt/Safin/Ferrero/Roddick won quite a few - 23.

There was a lot of overlap between these two groups with Nadal and Federer especially.

The Agassi/Sampras generation probably performs quite well in this respect too.

Players born in the years 1970-1972 (Agassi/Sampras generation) won 33 slams;

Sampras - 14
Agassi - 8
Courier - 4
Bruguera - 2
Rafter - 2
Chang - 1
Ivanisevic - 1
Krajicek - 1