Federer is not athletic

ATPballkid

Professional
Roger Federer is never considered athletic. He is more of an artist than an athlete. I've read from an old article that he does not do a lot of off court training. Obviously, he does not enjoy it as much playing on the tennis court.

The biggest question is that if his body is fit enough to go the distance or will injuries be a major obstacle for him in the coming years?
 

kchau

Semi-Pro
his form makes up for his "lack of athleticness" he has no weird hitches, his strokes are fluid like water, so i dont see how hes going to hurt something.
 

The tennis guy

Hall of Fame
ATPballkid said:
Roger Federer is never considered athletic. He is more of an artist than an athlete. I've read from an old article that he does not do a lot of off court training. Obviously, he does not enjoy it as much playing on the tennis court.

The biggest question is that if his body is fit enough to go the distance or will injuries be a major obstacle for him in the coming years?

Where do we get these new users who don't know what they are not talking about.

Federer doesn't do a lot of off court training? Go ask his trainer for many years. I guess his trainer doesn't have high profile like Agassi's, so people assume he doesn't do off court training.
 

ATPballkid

Professional
kchau said:
his form makes up for his "lack of athleticness" he has no weird hitches, his strokes are fluid like water, so i dont see how hes going to hurt something.


Federer does not look strong enough or fast enough to beat everybody. But he does beat everybody which makes it even more amazing.

His body certainly does not look like the body of a world class athlete. Especially when compared to the likes of an extremely athletic muscular Rafael Nadal.
 

jukka1970

Professional
ATPballkid said:
Roger Federer is never considered athletic. He is more of an artist than an athlete. I've read from an old article that he does not do a lot of off court training. Obviously, he does not enjoy it as much playing on the tennis court.

The biggest question is that if his body is fit enough to go the distance or will injuries be a major obstacle for him in the coming years?

A professional player doesn't do well unless they've been working out and training hard. I don't care who it is. All one has to do is look at how much an injured player has to go through to get back. Or even look at the Williams sisters when they stopped playing as much, injuries happened their play level dropped. I mean Federer may look like he's not athletic, but that is part of the genius of his playing, of how easy he makes things look. But if he was out of shape as you are claiming, he'd be sucking wind after long points, and he's not. I mean 4 matches in 5 days, one needs to be athletic to survive that.
 

ATPballkid

Professional
I think it was in the Men's Vogue interview that he showed his forearms to the interviewer (who said they looked the same) and then had the interviewer touch them (and said the right felt twice as large as the left).
 

FedererUberAlles

Professional
ATPballkid said:
Roger Federer is never considered athletic. He is more of an artist than an athlete. I've read from an old article that he does not do a lot of off court training. Obviously, he does not enjoy it as much playing on the tennis court.

The biggest question is that if his body is fit enough to go the distance or will injuries be a major obstacle for him in the coming years?

What article? Nearly every article I've read suggests otherwise.
 

buder

Banned
I think your comment trades on a false distinction. I don't think the term artistry as applied to Federer is meant to imply he isn't athletic.

I think artistry in this context means that he has raised his athleticism to an art form.

His althletic ability may well be the best that has ever been seen on a tennis court.

His ability to strike clean winners off shots that most pros can only retrieve is an example of athleticism of the highest order.
 
The tennis guy said:
Where do we get these new users who don't know what they are not talking about.

Federer doesn't do a lot of off court training? Go ask his trainer for many years. I guess his trainer doesn't have high profile like Agassi's, so people assume he doesn't do off court training.

very nice reply. summes up wat 99 percent of the people on these boards wud say
 

ATXtennisaddict

Hall of Fame
ATPballkid said:
I think it was in the Men's Vogue interview that he showed his forearms to the interviewer (who said they looked the same) and then had the interviewer touch them (and said the right felt twice as large as the left).

yeap, everyone knows that if you're not muscular, you're not athletic.
 

ATPballkid

Professional
kchau said:
his strokes are fluid like water, so i dont see how hes going to hurt something.



What I really like about him is that he looks more like an ordinary person than a world class athlete but his brilliance and talent is undeniable.
 

ATPballkid

Professional
FitzRoy said:
Not athletic? I couldn't disagree more. He's as fast and agile as anyone on tour.


What's up with the slight belly bulge at the US Open? Top World class professional athletes don't have bellies. Even Tiger Woods has a 6 pack!
 

FitzRoy

Professional
ATPballkid said:
What's up with slight belly bulge at the US Open? Top World class professional athletes don't have bellies. Even Tiger Woods has a 6 pack!

I don't think a six pack is a requirement for athleticism. Far from it, really, though many athletes have low enough body fat percentages that they have one.

What about NFL players? I watch a lot of games and I see plenty of top world class professional athletes with bellies. Hell, Tony Siragusa weighed over 330, with plenty of belly bulge, and I've seen a video of him dunking a basketball.
 
Nalbandian is an athlete in your book right? He's big, he's strong.... oh wait a minute, he has a gut!

Figure skating doesnt require a lot of upper body strength, but it's in the olympic isnt it? Do you consider ping pong players athletes then?

Besides, if you play tennis long enough, you'll realize that ball pace doesnt come from the muscles, but timing.

Are YOU an athlete? Half of the articles out there are total BS and based entirely on American's standards of an "athlete." An athlete is someone who can carry out the necessary motions for the sport effortlessly and efficiently.

And in Roger's defense, i think that guy is at least decently strong, he's got some pretty big pacs... that or maybe his shirt is tight on him.
 

Backbored

Hall of Fame
And if he had an "athlete's" body they would be saying he was on steroids . I mean how could he have won all those games. Surly not on pure talent.
 

hyperwarrior

Professional
BreakPoint said:
Anyone who thinks that Federer is not athletic doesn't know what he's talking about. He's an amazing athlete and probably the best the game of tennis has ever seen. Just look at his incredible movement, footwork, speed, and timing.

I mean just last week James Blake called Federer the best athlete of our time, not just in tennis, but in ANY sport.

http://www.usopen.org/en_US/news/articles/2006-09-08/200609081157761070843.html

Nice article Breakpoint. now go teach ATPballkid a lesson.
 

angharad

Semi-Pro
ATPballkid said:
I think it was in the Men's Vogue interview that he showed his forearms to the interviewer (who said they looked the same) and then had the interviewer touch them (and said the right felt twice as large as the left).

Please don't take what I posted on another site and post it here as your own. Thank you.

Roger is athletic, there's no doubt about it. He doesn't really look it, though. As I've said elsewhere, he's deceptive in that sense.
 

ATPballkid

Professional
Ano said:
You cannot be the no. 1 tennis player in the world if you are not athletic.!!


"I don't think that matches are decided by physical fitness, but rather mentally." Roger Federer (June 19, 2006 Interview with sports journalist Bill Barclay)
 

framebreaker

Semi-Pro
ah come on groupies. no need to get defensive.
does federer look like a sausage that could be bullied by pretty much everybody? - yes
is he physically extremely fit? - yes. it's difficult to take it out of him. not even in 4 hours clay court matches.

i mean, look at vligen. you don't need to have the frame of nadal. but this will change in the coming years.
 

fishuuuuu

Hall of Fame
ATPballkid said:
"I don't think that matches are decided by physical fitness, but rather mentally." Roger Federer (June 19, 2006 Interview with sports journalist Bill Barclay)

Stop trying so hard, just admit you were wrong. That statement is open to the idea that physical fitness is fundamental but not the deciding factor in victory.
 

J-man

Hall of Fame
ATPballkid said:
Roger Federer is never considered athletic. He is more of an artist than an athlete. I've read from an old article that he does not do a lot of off court training. Obviously, he does not enjoy it as much playing on the tennis court.

The biggest question is that if his body is fit enough to go the distance or will injuries be a major obstacle for him in the coming years?
This pretty of absurd. You read your article awhile ago. I bet alot has changed
 

ATPballkid

Professional
As far as his training meals go, Federer is careful about what he eats while he's on the road, but he loosens up a bit off it. "I try to make sure I eat correctly. But when I'm in Switzerland, I don't watch it so much. I want to give myself a treat occasionally."

(Interview with journalist Bill Scott July 11, 2006)
 

SFrazeur

Legend
ATPballkid, I think I understand what you mean. Federer does play like an artist, he forms points. While Nadal, has to be built up, to use his "never-let-the-ball-go' style of play. So compared to others, Federer may not seem to have much of a build. I know I rambuled a bit and I am not trying to put words in your mouth but, is that to what you are referring?
 
hey ballkid, do you by any chance watch tennis? Ballkid at some tennis match? Or do you even play tennis?

Or do you just read articles all day and use them as a source to start a discussion. You're not really arguing if you're just pulling quotes left and right.

You quoted something about being mentally tough, what the hell does that have to do with your original statement? While the statement may be true to some extend, it doesnt have anything to do with your original statement.

Stop posting what you read, post what you observe.
 

gts072

Semi-Pro
ATPballkid = nadalgirl26. Fed practices and trains hard to get where he was. Just because he has no six-pack nor bulging arms doesn't mean he's out of shape. He has a body built for tennis. Get a clue you rookie!!!
 

ATPballkid

Professional
SFrazeur said:
ATPballkid, I think I understand what you mean. Federer does play like an artist, he forms points. While Nadal, has to be built up, to use his "never-let-the-ball-go' style of play. So compared to others, Federer may not seem to have much of a build. I know I rambuled a bit and I am not trying to put words in your mouth but, is that to what you are referring?

Yes. :D

I have seen Federer tired.. on at least couple of occasions.. First one was in 2005 AO Semis against Safin in 5th set and another one against Nalbandian in 2005 Masters Cup final from 4th set on..So, I think if a player that is physically very fit can push him to 5 sets than there is a big chance he might get tired..The reason why we almost never seen him tired is because he beats most guys EASILY in straight sets..

But again, what I really like about him is that he looks more like an ordinary person (like the rest of us) than a world class athlete but his brilliance and talent is undeniable.
 

FiveO

Hall of Fame
ATPballkid said:
Roger Federer is never considered athletic. He is more of an artist than an athlete. I've read from an old article that he does not do a lot of off court training. Obviously, he does not enjoy it as much playing on the tennis court.

The biggest question is that if his body is fit enough to go the distance or will injuries be a major obstacle for him in the coming years?

He is deceptive that is all. As everyone else has said he has got every athletic attribute required for tennis and in amounts superior to everyone else on the tour.

Watch him more closely. Watch him and him alone in a match. Watch the ground he covers to be there, at the point of contact, with the myriad of options he has still available to him. How rarely an opponent can get him off balance even on a scramble. Look at the power he generates from what seem ridiculous positions. Note his endurance. Watch how even in the 5th set vs. Nadal, even in a loss, after long exchanges late in the match who was breathing harder and who recovered physically earlier.

He is a superior tennis athlete. He is not an athlete suited for American football or basketball, but for tennis he has all the desired attributes in spades. He is a tennis athlete.

"I don't think that matches are decided by physical fitness, but rather mentally." Roger Federer (June 19, 2006 Interview with sports journalist Bill Barclay)

I think you misunderstand the point. Becker said that in the 5th set it's more about the heart than tennis. Did that mean Becker wasn't fit or wasn't an athlete or that those two elements were of no consequence? No. It is the belief that the actual tipping point between a win or loss comes from the head and one's will. It means the ability to hold your nerve, to think, to maintain focus, to hold on, a point which you couldn't reach if not an athlete nor if you weren't fit. You can't win mentally or with your heart if you can't maintain your movement and technique at the end of a long match and you can do none of it without being an athlete and at their standards an incredibly fit one to boot. Fed makes it look easy and looks like he isn't moving fast because he is so fluid in his movement and strokes. The head and the will can't get there without being in an athletic, extremely fit body.
 

couch

Hall of Fame
ATPballkid said:
Federer does not look strong enough or fast enough to beat everybody. But he does beat everybody which makes it even more amazing.

His body certainly does not look like the body of a world class athlete. Especially when compared to the likes of an extremely athletic muscular Rafael Nadal.

Pete Sampras' body didn't look like it was chisled out of stone either. Federer is one of the most athletic players out there. Did you watch any of his matches? He plays defense better than almost anyone out there. He just makes it look easy. Maybe that's the problem.

If he wasn't athletic he could pull off some of the shots he does.
 

FitzRoy

Professional
FiveO said:
He is a superior tennis athlete. He is not an athlete suited for American football or basketball, but for tennis he has all the desired attributes in spades. He is a tennis athlete.

I agree with your point that he's a superior tennis athlete. But to be honest with you, I think he could play those two sports you mentioned. I follow basketball religiously, and football pretty well too. His height would certainly limit him to the point guard position in basketball, but I think he has the lateral quickness and agility to be that. I think he'd be at least a decent wide receiver in the NFL, if he added more muscular bulk to absorb the physical punishment.

I'm not saying that this is true of all tennis players. I don't think Andre Agassi, for instance, could play either of those sports. I would say that Pete Sampras could.
 

Swissv2

Hall of Fame
You cannot win 9 grand slams only on talent and brilliance alone. You need to have the ability to move, to react, and be able to hang tight with strong hitters without breaking a sweat or barely at all.

Here are a few quotes for you to decide about his athleticism
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"This is the first time I have seen Federer up close, courtside. Sure I have seen him playing from afar, but to tell you honestly I have seen tennis players in my time but have never seen anyone as fast and agile as this Federer in my life"

-jimmy connors Wimbledon 2005

"he seems to be everywhere, with no effort at all. It is like he steals time from his opponents: he has all the time in the world to hit a ball whereas his opponents looked stretched in so many ways to get to the balls"

-mary carillo US Open 2005

"I don't see anyone with a big enough weapon to hurt him. They're just staying back and Roger is able to dictate well enough. You just have to serve well and attack him."

- pete sampras

"Oh, I would be honoured to even be compared to Roger. He is such an unbelievable talent, and is capable of anything. Roger could be the greatest tennis player of all time."

- Rod laver

"He's the best I've ever played against. There's nowhere to go. There's nothing to do except hit fairways, hit greens and make putts. Every shot has that sort of urgency on it. I've played a lot of them (other players), so many years, there's a safety zone, there's a place to get to, there's something to focus on, there's a way. Anything you try to do, he potentially has an answer for and it's just a function of when he starts pulling the triggers necessary to get you to change to that decision."

- Andre Agassi

"He hits that short chip, moves you forward, moves you back. He uses your pace against you. If you take pace off, so that he can't use your pace, he can step around and hurt you with the forehand. Just the amount of options he has to get around any particular stage of the match where maybe something's out of sync is -- seems to be endless. His success out there is just a mere reflection of all the things that he can do."

- Andre Agassi

"There's probably not a department in his game that couldn't be considered the best in that department. You watch him play Hewitt and everybody marvels at Hewitt's speed, as well as myself. And you start to realize, `Is it possible Federer even moves better?' Then you watch him play Andy [Roddick], and you go, `Andy has a big forehand. Is it possible Federer's forehand is the best in the game?' You watch him at the net, you watch him serve-volley somebody that doesn't return so well and you put him up there with the best in every department. You see him play from the ground against those that play from the ground for a living, and argue he does it better than anybody. "

- Andre Agassi

"He's the most gifted player that I've ever seen in my life. I've seen a lot of people play. I've seen the (Rod) Lavers, I played against some of the great players - the Samprases, Beckers, Connors', Borgs, you name it. This guy could be the greatest of all time. That, to me, says it all. "

- John McEnroe

"Roger Federer is the only guy I watch for his strokes. He is just beautiful. He can hit every single shot you could ever think of. John [McEnroe] and Ilie [Nastase] were very talented but you always knew there were some shots they couldn't hit. Not with Federer. I would go and watch him practice, he's so good."

- Ivan Lendl

"Roger is at the top, and he's the only person at the top, regardless of how much people want to make rivalry comparisons and this, that and the other. He's the best player in the game. There's no question in my mind."

- Andy Roddick

"He is an all around player, which is a little unusual in this day of tennis. He reminds me of Rod Laver. He is such a great athlete, the only way you could pass him is if you pass him on the line"

- Tony Roach
 

Keifers

Legend
For me, Fed's athleticism is most apparent when he's defending against heavy, penetrating groundstrokes by his opponents. He glides and stretches and he gets those balls back. Yes, he can be overpowered, but only by superb ballstrikers like Safin (when he's having a very good day).

Fed's ability to blunt Roddick's serve and take it away as an offensive weapon is another testament to his athleticism. His anticipation is key, of course, but he really has to stretch for so many of those serves -- that for anyone else playing Roddick would be aces for sure.
 

chess9

Hall of Fame
Federer is the Yehudi Menuhin of tennis, but he is also very athletic.

The only criticism I could possibly level is that I suspect his diet has a larger fat component than is ideal. Looking at Mirka, and assuming they are eating the same foods, well.... Ditto for Nalbandian, but he is much worse than Federer. I'll bet Roger's trainer is ragging on him all the time about eating right. Too many strudels, eh! :) Anyway, just don't take your shirt off in public Roger.

But, to say Roger is not athletic....pfft. He may be the greatest ever, but only time and luck will tell.

-Robert
 
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ipodtennispro

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Roger is like rubberband. He is so flexible his range of motion on all strokes is far superior to everyone else. Being athletic is only one small factor in the game of tennis. All professional tennis players are athletic. Not all of them have the soft hands of Federer.
Please view my footage of Roger on my site
www.ipodtennispros.com. The one on Dynamic balance shows his genius. He can contort his body in any direction and still make the shot. Start your stretching.

ipodtennispro
 
ATPballkid said:
Yes. :D

I have seen Federer tired.. on at least couple of occasions.. First one was in 2005 AO Semis against Safin in 5th set and another one against Nalbandian in 2005 Masters Cup final from 4th set on..So, I think if a player that is physically very fit can push him to 5 sets than there is a big chance he might get tired..The reason why we almost never seen him tired is because he beats most guys EASILY in straight sets..

But again, what I really like about him is that he looks more like an ordinary person (like the rest of us) than a world class athlete but his brilliance and talent is undeniable.

Tired...hhmmm....five set match and in the semi final in the heat of the Aussie open...first grand slam...and fitness levels probablynot what it should be....wow...how right are you...Fed is not an athlete and is soooo unfit abnd should hang up his rackets now in shame and disgust...:rolleyes:

Maybe you should become his fitness coach...bulk him up...turn him into an Arnlod Schwarzenneger and give him that '6' pack which defines a sportsman...also, maybe you should give him an extreme heavy weight to lift for the one arm which needs to be bigger than the other ala Michael Chang or even the great Rod Laver!!

On the tennis circuit...in your opinion...who is an athlete?
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
nadalito92 said:
well take a good look at his arms, they are really REALLY thin

But having muscles is not what makes one athletic. There are NFL linebackers that have tons of muscles, but they have no flexibility which is important to being athletic. I'd bet they's have trouble hitting a tennis ball on the run or stretching to return a serve. How about bodybuilders? They have tons of muscles but how athletic do you think Mr. Universe is?

BTW, Steffi Graf is regarded as one of the best female athletes of all time, in any sport, and I don't see any bulging muscles on her either. If fact, having big muscles is bad for certain sports like tennis. Michael Chang tried to bulk up and build muscle to compete with the bigger guys on the tour and it ended up making him less athletic as it reduced his flexibility and speed. Petr Korda was a stringbean but he was still very athletic and could run and hit the ball very hard. Tennis is much more about timing than it is about strength. Would you say marathon runners are athletic? Most of them are thin and don't have any muscles either. How about Lance Armstrong? One of the greatest athletes of our time, yet he doesn't have huge bulging muscles either, despite his last name.
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
Swissv2 said:
"This is the first time I have seen Federer up close, courtside. Sure I have seen him playing from afar, but to tell you honestly I have seen tennis players in my time but have never seen anyone as fast and agile as this Federer in my life"

-jimmy connors Wimbledon 2005

Wow, that's pretty impressive coming from Jimmy Connors and it speaks volumes since Connors played Borg quite a lot in his prime. And Borg was another amazing athlete who also didn't have bulging muscles. I'd say Borg was very close, if not on par, with Federer as far as athleticism.
 

Ano

Hall of Fame
BreakPoint said:
Wow, that's pretty impressive coming from Jimmy Connors and it speaks volumes since Connors played Borg quite a lot in his prime. And Borg was another amazing athlete who also didn't have bulging muscles. I'd say Borg was very close, if not on par, with Federer as far as athleticism.

In terms of atheticism, I would say Borg was a bit better than Federer.

Borg was really fast. He had never been seen tired even in a five set matches on clay.

He was a physical phenomenon.

His resting heart beat was only 35 beats per minutes. His blood presure was only 70/30. That was really amazing.
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
ATPballkid said:
"I don't think that matches are decided by physical fitness, but rather mentally." Roger Federer (June 19, 2006 Interview with sports journalist Bill Barclay)

So if Federer had said - "I don't think that matches are decided by forehands, but rather mentally.", would that mean that Federer is admitting that he has a bad forehand? :rolleyes:
 

Jack the Hack

Hall of Fame
ATPballkid said:
What's up with the slight belly bulge at the US Open? Top World class professional athletes don't have bellies. Even Tiger Woods has a 6 pack!

I'd like to see you provide some photographic evidence of this Federer "belly bulge"...

I was actually AT the US Open this year and saw Federer up close. He is very slim and wirey... and there is definitely no freakin' belly bulge!!!

A few weeks ago, someone started a thread asking if Federer would be better if he bulked up and got ripped like Nadal. In my opinion, I think it would be detrimental to him. Federer's game relies on speed, flexibility, and timing. On the Tennis Channel earlier this year, Federer mentioned in an interview that he stretches for 45 minutes every morning and every evening. He also gets a sports massage twice a day. That means he dedicates at least 2 1/2 hours every day to keeping his muscles loose, relaxed, and flexible. We all know that he is putting his time in off court to keep fit - all top pros absolutely have to in order to compete. However, I think he could care less about the size of his biceps as long as he avoids injury and keeps winning at the incredible pace that he has set.
 
federers strenth is not seen in muscle size or mass.. but per pound and inch his strength and quickness and endurance is enormous.
tennis is not a sport where bigger is better .. its a sport where best quality per pound is the way to measure fitness.
 

Puffdaddy

New User
He's quick as heck and hugely explosive. No, he's not going to bench press 300 lbs, but who cares?

He's so lithe, so flexible and his timing is scary.
 

BiGGieStuFF

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ath‧let‧ic  /æθˈlɛtɪk/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ath-let-ik] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective
1. physically active and strong; good at athletics or sports: an athletic child.
2. of, like, or befitting an athlete.
3. of or pertaining to athletes; involving the use of physical skills or capabilities, as strength, agility, or stamina: athletic sports; athletic training.
4. for athletics: an athletic field.
5. Psychology. (of a physical type) having a sturdy build or well-proportioned body structure. Compare asthenic (def. 2), pyknic (def. 1).


Fed seems to fit that description to me.
 

sliceroni

Hall of Fame
You can be built like Schwarzennegger and still hit the ball like a 5 year old girl. Type II muscle development is not important in this sport otherwise everybody would be built like linebackers, Nadal can hit the ball just as hard without his guns. I've been working and lifting for 12 yrs (personal trainer yrs ago) and pace of my shots has change VERY little. He isn't muscular but he is fit and has good muscle tone. Check out the pics below and he does have a toned mid-section (those dri-fit shirts make my ripped mid-section look big). Artistry you are descibing IS athleticism on the tennis court, hitting the ball harder, better foot work, ect ect. Bruce Lee wasn't the most muscular guy but pound per pound (was 5'7 137 lbs) he was untouchable back then and sent 300 pound sand-bags horizontal with his side kicks.

http://www.whineandcheese.net/whine/2006/02/googlemania_rog.html
 

phat

Rookie
Sliceroni is right..... I mean I saw all those big tough guys in the gym lifting their a**off just to LOOK ATHELTIC/BUFF. Sorry they are not olympians / professional athletes. Do yourself a favor, & ask those gym rat to touch their feet (with their hands) with their legs straight and you will laugh your a** off.
 
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