Federer:"Nadal and Murray more defensive,Novak and i are more attacking players
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MichaelNadal
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clayqueen
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I told you before, but you have short and selective memory, fangirl, that in my years of watching tennis and and attending various tournaments I've seen all top players in" flash" as you said. And Nadal is big guy.I do not see anything wrong he owes part of its success in tennis to his body composition. Personally I don't belive in photo shop and that photo is clearly photoshopedBut your crush at Nadal can be denied, so
Then you need glasses.
Nadal is bigger than Nole, of course, but that doesn't mean he is bigger than average. Nadal is not skinny, but he is not big either.
You are really obsessed too much with me lol. Relax and enjoy. Don't take every post as scientific debate. You insulting me is fun, means I got to you.
Also your arrogance is amazing. I wouldn't mind, if you were right, but you aren't.
Logic is not my strong suit, but vs you I'm freaking Einstein. Not that this makes me special or something. Beating 5 year old at logic isn't special.
Anyway, you should admit when you were stupid. And smile and laugh. I've done so many stupid things and I just laugh about it.
For some reason you get upset if we are stupid and ignorant. It's normal.
Anyway, I wish you could relax and have fun like me and not take those debates so seriously.
Well, then you should use bigger fonts, when telling someone he needs glasses.
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Deleted member 716271
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You have been doing it for hours like you just did several times right here, Saying some hocus pocus bout smiling and laughing about it doesn't change your vicious intent. The irony :lol: :lol:
Yeah, I'm evil. I'm here to get you. Be afraid, be very afraid.
I want to make you my slave.
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Deleted member 716271
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your attempt at humor is weak. As are your arguments.
What is your 1st language?
Thanks for the compliment. I always thought my arguments were ultra weak. So, this is quite a step up.
Yeah, my writing skills in English are poor, true. Slovene is my 1st language. Then Croatian, Serbian, Bosnian, which are similar. Then German. Then English, Italian, French Spanish. So English is not even my 2nd language.
Anyway, I can understand perfectly everything. I read science books in English, no problem. I only have flaws in writing. I mean, I don't use writing in English in real life, except on this forum. So, yeah it's very newbish.
I guess, you got me here. Your English makes my English look like Einstein vs 5 year old
It comes in handy when fans try to say what Rafa, Nole or Fed say in their language. And how most fans here who don't speak their language, don't have a clue lol. They just take translations out of context.
Andy owned Fed? What are you smoking? He didn't beat him in a slam till 2013 lol. And even that win was barely in 5 sets.
But hey if you want to use mickey mouse tournaments such as masters may I remind you that Djokovic is leading h2h vs Nadal in masters?
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Deleted member 716271
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Right, like Davy's and Nadal's h2h. LOL hanging yourself as well, bud
That's totally different situation
. Davy h2h works in my favor at the time. It doesn't work in my favor with Murray.
But, since you still dwell on the past. Murray is still a lot better player than Davy. And h2h is not skewed. Davy is 6-1 on HC, that is lol.
So every 70 matches, Rafa would only win 10 vs Davy. And he is goat contender, who can't beat a journeymen on a surface where tennis is played 70% of the time?
Do yourself a favor and never use h2h argument again, makes look Rafa weaker. But, I'm throwing you a bone not using it, so Rafa is better. You should be thanking me that I'm objective here.
clayqueen
Talk Tennis Guru
Murray beat Fed in a best of 5 in the final of the London Olympics didn't he?
Boom-Boom
Legend
Pretty obvious, Nadal is a grinder-moonballer clay court specialist, Murray a counter-puncher, Djoko an agressive baseliner and Fed...well Fed is God playing tennis
That's blatantly obvious since you frequently post in threads which include his name
Chico
Banned
Pretty obvious, Nadal is a grinder-moonballer clay court specialist, Murray a counter-puncher, Djoko an agressive baseliner and Fed...well Fed is God playing tennis
That's blatantly obvious since you frequently post in threads which include his name
Two great posts! Thanks.
That still isn't a slam, so I don't see your point.
clayqueen
Talk Tennis Guru
Chico
Banned
LOL Fed fanboys trying to overrule Fed's opinion on a subject related to tennis is the only thing desperate here.
As said, it is not a matter of opinion it is the FACT and Fed just confirmed it.Even if it is I would take Fed's opinion over your biased one any day.
LOL at the "majority" too. Blind fanboys of other players is far from any majority.
RFGOAT1992
Semi-Pro
so is it his an opinion or is it a fact that he suddenly decide.?
not trying to overrule Fed opinion im just stating my own and i said you dont have to agree but im entitled to my opinion as is everyone else.Fed opinion doesn't change what i think and its a fact that djokovic himself said he is too defensive are you trying to overule his opinion, or is it a fact???
"Blind fanboys of other players is far from any majority" oh so whoever is not a fan of djokovic is not allowed to be a majority? lol
You haven't proven anything. Fact is, Federer owns Murray on the big stage.
Anyway, the only problematic h2h with Federer is on clay vs Nadal. Other h2h with other players aren't skewed.
Sure, Rafa leads slightly on HC, but they are 3-3 in Fed's prime. So, no problem here. Fed is 2-1 on grass, no problem here.
15-2 on clay. Now that is the real heart of the matter. This is the only black spot in Fed's career that has any significance.
But, so what, all that proves is that Fed is not perfect, big deal. He still has 5 RG finals and one win. Not bad at all for his worst slam.
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You still didn't answer my question:
How much do you think of Fed's opinion when he calls Novak out for retirements/MTOs?
That didn't help Fed thought. Nole was mad and improved now he beat Federer so much.
Fed also said Rafa is one-dimensional.
Why can't Fed close his mouth and not give opponents motivation and extra edge.
I bet he would have CYGS and 25 slams by now, if not for his big mouth
. Because it was pure hate that has driven Djokodal.
clayqueen
Talk Tennis Guru
BBC Report after Fed beat Nole in MC 2014:
"Despite that, the first set was among the best of the year as both men played to their strengths, Federer serving well and shortening the points where possible, while Djokovic defended brilliantly and peppered the baseline".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/tennis/27089413
Djokovic has said himself that his strength is defending the baseline. That doesn't diminish him as a great player because he is very successful doing that.
"Despite that, the first set was among the best of the year as both men played to their strengths, Federer serving well and shortening the points where possible, while Djokovic defended brilliantly and peppered the baseline".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/tennis/27089413
Djokovic has said himself that his strength is defending the baseline. That doesn't diminish him as a great player because he is very successful doing that.
clayqueen
Talk Tennis Guru
Sadly, not many people agree with you. As they say, beauty is in the eyes of the beholder.
BringBackSV
Hall of Fame
Which is fine but he didn't prove you right, he gave his opinion. If you are unsure about the difference, just ask.
clayqueen
Talk Tennis Guru
"Rafael Nadal is accomplished as an Offensive Baseliner, using a variety of high-spin shots and powerful flat strokes to dominate play, most notably on clay, which he is known to be very good at (though he usually prefers to play a defensive baseline style). Novak Djokovic, though known to be an all-rounder, is also a notable Aggressive Baseliner, with his powerful and precise backhand which is widely regarded as the best backhand of any active player."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennis_strategy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennis_strategy
Omega_7000
Legend
Agreed. +1
Novak play depends on his opponent.
That's why Novak-Fed can be some of the most exciting tennis possible, while Novak-Murray can be a complete snoozefest.
Chanwan
G.O.A.T.
I think I've asked you this before, but how did you get to be at a presser?
I've seen all of them from 5 feet or less as well and yeah, Rafa ain't that big, Fed is broad across the shoulders and their heights are pretty much as listed (Fed 1.86, Rafa 1.85 etc.)
clayqueen
Talk Tennis Guru
I know the right people.
cc0509
Talk Tennis Guru
No, actually clayqueen is right here. I have seen them all in person many times and Nadal is taller than he looks on tv but skinnier. He is not a huge guy at all. Federer is taller in person too and well-proportioned with broad shoulders. Andy is the biggest with the biggest muscles and the best overall body. Djokovic is a tall beanpole. Long and lean.
clayqueen
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Thanks. Djokovic also looks smaller on TV than he is in the flesh. He came across as a nice guy; Both Djoko and Nadal were very confident but Nadal oozes charisma and what impressed me about Nadal was the way he looked straight at the person who asked him the question when he gave his answers. Nadal has so much presence and I'm not just saying this because I'm a fan.
The others I saw - Ferrer & Stan came across quite self effacing; Tsonga had a very casual attitude like 'whatever' to the questions; Murray was just Murray.
Chico
Banned
That is not an opinion, that is just a statement. Also nothing related to tennis technique or playing style.
Failed attempt to derail the discussion.
Fed proved you wrong. Time to suck it up and admit you were wrong about Djokovic and that he is offensive player and plays the same style as Fererer.
Chico
Banned
Oh yes he did prove me right indeed. And you know it. Just hard to admit by Fedal fanboys who were bashing Novak before.
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
The top players are all accomplished in every aspect of the game obviously BUT among the 10 players who have played most matches on hard court this year, guess which 3 had the best serve stats? Karlovic, Federer, Raonic
Now guess which 3 had the best return stats? Murray, Djoko and Ferrer
Coincidence?? (sorry Chico)
And this is not on attack on any player. I much prefer great rally players. Big servers bore me to death. But facts are facts.
Now guess which 3 had the best return stats? Murray, Djoko and Ferrer
Coincidence?? (sorry Chico)
And this is not on attack on any player. I much prefer great rally players. Big servers bore me to death. But facts are facts.
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
I'd also like to add that being too aggressive on the return doesn't pay in the long run because you're bound to miss often. Which is why the best returners of the game tend to be the more patient, shrewder guys and also why they're the ones who can turn defensiveness to their advantage and are not afraid to be less "attacking" at times.
torpantennis
Legend
Thanks, these are the facts. Facts are facts.
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
OTOH Chico and Fed are not wrong. While it is true that Djoko is not among the very best servers on hard and while Djoko's return and defense is the most impressive part of his game, he does have better service stats on that surface than Nadal and Murray (everything's relative). Saying he'll never be a pure attacker doesn't mean that he is not more offensive than a lot of other players. (I would make a surface distinction though because his serve- which has also improved a lot on grass- is still not very effective on clay)
Noelan
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Hes big guy, I've seing him and all top players also many time as I said previously.
Chico
Banned
Just serve and return stats have nothing to do with playing offensive shotmaing baseline game. Karlovic and Raonic are servebots, not offensive baseline shotmakers.
Your post is completely irrelevant in this discussion.
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Chico
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What is important is stopping common trolls claim and misdemeanor that Djokovic is a "pusher", a "retriever" and a "wall" and claiming he wins only because of his "stamina" and "gumby like retrieving" and has no offensive shotmaking weapons and tennis skills whatsoever. Which all could not be farther from the truth.
I was ridiculed for dismissing these ridiculous claims for months here and now when Federer basically said exactly what I was saying, many people here got really angry at me (since they can't be angry at Federer) for being proven wrong.
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Novak was always a great offensive player who happens to be a great athlete and can hang defensively with players like Rafa..
You only have to look at him 2008 and earlier. Aggressive baseliner. Where there is some confusion is he is not an "all court" player like Federer. Although, to be fair Federer stays back most of the time anyway since 2003.
Fabresque
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Djokovic has always been an aggressive, attacking player. Those who disagree don’t understand tennis lol.
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