Federer's Back Issues

I am a general tennis fan and have followed the sport at the professional level for more than forty years, enjoying the successes of Arthur Ashe, Stan Smith, Connors, McEnroe, Borg and many of the other greats that have played the game from the 70s to the present. I admire the tremendous athleticism and skill of players like Federer, Nadal, Djokovic, Murray and all the pros who work so hard to make a living playing this great sport.

I am also aware that there has been considerable discussion on this board of how different pros handle their injuries. Unfortunately, many contributors to this forum can't separate their allegiance to one player, or their intense dislike of certain players from an objective assessment of an issue, whether it is an injury, or performance or skill issue.

Having played college sport in a sport where overuse injuries are very common and having suffered overuse injuries myself, I am aware of how debilitating certain physical injuries can be whether it is a shoulder, elbow or back issue (or knee injury). My particular injury was a lower back (sciatica) problem, and despite a variety of treatments - electro-muscular stimulation, physiotherapy, acupuncture, chiropractic adjustments, stretching, increased core body strengthening, the possibility of a surgical procedure to fuse the sacrum and ilium, and ongoing therapy, the problem made practicing daily and competing at the level I knew I was able to very difficult, and the injury persisted long after my college years.

We all know that Roger's back issues go back many years and have at different points in his career been a significant factor in his ability to play at the highest level consistently. The injury should not be used to excuse Federer's inconsistent play of recent, nor should Nadal's knee injury, however, injuries can often explain performances that are less than what fans might have expected. Injuries are a very important factor in determining an athlete's ability to perform at his highest level. When a baseball pitcher has a sore elbow or shoulder, no manager would put him on the mound for his regular spot in the rotation. The player would probably be put on the 15 day disabled list or miss a spot in the rotation. It certainly wouldn't make sense for that pitcher's fans or antagonists to use the injury as the focal point of a discussion about that player's overall skill.

A thought came to mind yesterday about Federer's ongoing back problems and I thought my own experience as a father might shed some light on what Federer is possibly experiencing. We know that Fed's back problems predate him becoming a father, but if Fed's back injury is a lower back injury, having two young daughters who love being held, tossed up in the air, put on his shoulders while going for walks etc., all of those things put tremendous stress on one's lower back. I know, I know - Federer is a professional, multi, multi-million dollar athlete who has access to the best exercise physiologists, strength trainers, the best medical experts, the best house-keepers and nannies and he also has a very supportive wife. In other words, it is somewhat foolish for me to suggest that there may be any similarities between my experience and his, but from all appearances, Federer really enjoys being a father and enjoys being with his daughters. I know from my own experience that when my kids (who are adults now) were the age of Federer's daughters, they always wanted to be played with, held, tossed in the air and so on, and during that time my back regressed significantly to the point where I often had trouble walking. So even if Federer takes time off from competition, I suspect that being a father and coming home everyday to two daughters who want some attention may actually be a contributing factor to his ongoing back problems. The stress put on the lower lumbar region of the back when lifting children, or any object of similar weight is considerable. Hopefully, Federer will be able to find the treatment or an exercise regimen that will allow him to continue to play and to enjoy the wonderful family he has been blessed with.

My speculation may be way off. I am not trying to make any excuses for Federer's mediocre play of late; however, back injuries, knee injuries, and shoulder injuries (among others) can all be extremely debilitating and as a fan of good tennis, I hope Federer and Nadal can return to play at a good level even though they may never return to the level we have been accustomed to seeing them play at when they were in their prime. Of course, none of us as fans of professional tennis should expect any athlete to be able to play at their prime level over a period of 10+ years. Finally, there are a variety of factors that I as an average fan have no knowledge of, not the least of which is the tremendous wear and tear the body takes being a professional tennis player.
 
Playing with your kids requires good technique; bend your knees, back straight etc. :)

Picked up quite a few dad injuries myself, including a hernia, and plenty of back issues. Having a strong core helps a lot.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
If he really has back problems, why did he sign up for Hamburg and Gstaad which were not on his original schedule? Why did he request a WC and take away a spot from another struggling player?

Seems appearance fees and the need to test his frame ranked above his supposed back pain, not to mention depriving a lower player of an opportunity. Smells of selfishness and excuses to me.

At least Nadal does not take away other people's chances when he is injured.
 

WhiskeyEE

G.O.A.T.
If he really has back problems, why did he sign up for Hamburg and Gstaad which were not on his original schedule? Why did he request a WC and take away a spot from another struggling player?

Seems appearance fees and the need to test his frame ranked above his supposed back pain, not to mention depriving a lower player of an opportunity. Smells of selfishness and excuses to me.

At least Nadal does not take away other people's chances when he is injured.

Well he wasn't "injured" when he entered those tournaments.

I doubt that it's an actual injury anyway. It's probably myofascial trigger points in his lower back as is the case with 99% of back pain. They can get aggravated whenever and that sort of pain can't be properly treated with pain killers.
 
M

monfed

Guest
Well he wasn't "injured" when he entered those tournaments.

I doubt that it's an actual injury anyway. It's probably myofascial trigger points in his lower back as is the case with 99% of back pain. They can get aggravated whenever and that sort of pain can't be properly treated with pain killers.

Didn't Fed exclude himself from joining the Swiss military for a mandatory tenure because of back problems?
 

cknobman

Legend
If he really has back problems, why did he sign up for Hamburg and Gstaad which were not on his original schedule? Why did he request a WC and take away a spot from another struggling player?

Seems appearance fees and the need to test his frame ranked above his supposed back pain, not to mention depriving a lower player of an opportunity. Smells of selfishness and excuses to me.

At least Nadal does not take away other people's chances when he is injured.

Same could be said for Nadal in 90% of the tournaments he plays. The fact that Nadal plays does take away a spot another more needing player could have. Selfish and greedy Nadal is.
 

swedenparty

Rookie
If he really has back problems, why did he sign up for Hamburg and Gstaad which were not on his original schedule? Why did he request a WC and take away a spot from another struggling player?

Seems appearance fees and the need to test his frame ranked above his supposed back pain, not to mention depriving a lower player of an opportunity. Smells of selfishness and excuses to me.

At least Nadal does not take away other people's chances when he is injured.

Makes no sense at all, read again whatever you wrote and think a little.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
Well he wasn't "injured" when he entered those tournaments.

I doubt that it's an actual injury anyway. It's probably myofascial trigger points in his lower back as is the case with 99% of back pain. They can get aggravated whenever and that sort of pain can't be properly treated with pain killers.

He said he felt pain in Hamburg. Then why did he ask for a WC for Gstaad?
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
Makes no sense at all, read again whatever you wrote and think a little.

Read the article in tennis.com where there is a strong suggestion he was paid app fees in both tournaments. He wanted to have it both ways: make money and complain about previous back pain after losing. He is not fooling me.
 

mistik

Hall of Fame
He has to skip at least a year for me to believe he has any injury problems. Still sad to see what Sergey has done to the guy.
 

Hood_Man

G.O.A.T.
simple answer: Big money

He has more money than God, he wasn't motivated by that.

He just wanted...

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The correlations of back pain to occupational physical activity are surely stronger than to whether or not one has young children. Federer plays tennis MANY hours a day and is getting older. Does the OP really think this has less to do with his back problems than having small children??!!
 

WhiskeyEE

G.O.A.T.
The correlations of back pain to occupational physical activity are surely stronger than to whether or not one has young children. Federer plays tennis MANY hours a day and is getting older. Does the OP really think this has less to do with his back problems than having small children??!!

True. Lifting babies is not enough to chronically overload the muscles of an elite athlete, especially considering the stress of playing tennis every day. That's kind've a dumb thing to say.
 
A member of my family is a professional, world-class athlete so I am quite aware of the difference between my physique which is that of a mere mortal and and the physique of an elite, world-class athlete. I am also aware that even elite athletes who excel in one sport can often experience aggravation and irritation to an existing injury when they engage in activities which their bodies are not normally accustomed to. We are often amused to hear of professional athletes who injure themselves doing what many of us think are mundane activities, such as golfing or playing with their kids, or doing yard work. All I was suggesting is that lower back injuries are particularly prone to being irritated by any activity which puts stress on the lumbar region. In Federer's case, it may only be coincidence that his lower back appears to be giving him more problems in the last few years which happens to coincide with him becoming a parent of two children, OR it may be a combination of his age, his thousands of hours training and the very nature of the injury itself. What I do know is that lower back injuries are very difficult to ever fully recover from and in the case of tennis, since the movements and actions necessary to play that sport are constantly putting pressure on the lower back, full recovery will be a real challenge.
 

spinovic

Hall of Fame
Anyway - so it is all Mirka's fault. She should be doing the kid tossing to protect Roger's career aka The Golden Goose.
 

Sentinel

Bionic Poster
If he really has back problems, why did he sign up for Hamburg and Gstaad which were not on his original schedule? Why did he request a WC and take away a spot from another struggling player?

Seems appearance fees and the need to test his frame ranked above his supposed back pain, not to mention depriving a lower player of an opportunity. Smells of selfishness and excuses to me.

At least Nadal does not take away other people's chances when he is injured.


LOL, how much do you need to invent.

Fred never made any excuses after losing WO. Nor did he make any excuses about the back after losing to Delponis.

So a player is only supposed to sign up for what's on his original schedule? Where is that written ?
He lost early at WO, so decided to play some more. Or so i heard.

Don't give us this emotional nonsense of taking away a spot from some "struggling player". What when your hero came back after seven months and was playing some small tournaments and winning them ??

I suppose all top players should sit out a few tournaments so some "struggling players" can make some bucks.
 

WhiskeyEE

G.O.A.T.
A member of my family is a professional, world-class athlete so I am quite aware of the difference between my physique which is that of a mere mortal and and the physique of an elite, world-class athlete. I am also aware that even elite athletes who excel in one sport can often experience aggravation and irritation to an existing injury when they engage in activities which their bodies are not normally accustomed to. We are often amused to hear of professional athletes who injure themselves doing what many of us think are mundane activities, such as golfing or playing with their kids, or doing yard work. All I was suggesting is that lower back injuries are particularly prone to being irritated by any activity which puts stress on the lumbar region. In Federer's case, it may only be coincidence that his lower back appears to be giving him more problems in the last few years which happens to coincide with him becoming a parent of two children, OR it may be a combination of his age, his thousands of hours training and the very nature of the injury itself. What I do know is that lower back injuries are very difficult to ever fully recover from and in the case of tennis, since the movements and actions necessary to play that sport are constantly putting pressure on the lower back, full recovery will be a real challenge.

I don't think that you understand the difference in a lumbar contraction involved in a tennis stroke and the contraction involved in lifting or holding a child. Especially when it's done hundreds of times per day.

The difference is so large that to consider the effects of holding kids would be completely asinine.
 

Sentinel

Bionic Poster
Read the article in tennis.com where there is a strong suggestion he was paid app fees in both tournaments. He wanted to have it both ways: make money and complain about previous back pain after losing. He is not fooling me.
Fooling you would be like putting drop of water in an ocean and expecting a tidal wave, lol. :D
 

tipsa...don'tlikehim!

Talk Tennis Guru
You never have enough money... And FTR Roger is not just a great player, but also a great business man.

The fact that RF is living in Dubai instead of Switzerland obviously shows he's a money freak.

Seriously in France some people criticize Tsonga and Gasquet for living in Switzerland to pay less taxes, and Federer, him, escape Switzerland to live in Dubai :lol:
When you know that, you know everything about the guy :lol:
 
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