nolefam_2024
G.O.A.T.
Everyone knows this. Roger has great career. Nothing wrong to say someone is better than him when for last 15 years people shouted him as GOAT. Most arrogant.
Federer's comments on GS Race following Novak's 19th
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Everyone knows this. Roger has great career. Nothing wrong to say someone is better than him when for last 15 years people shouted him as GOAT. Most arrogant.
BrooklynNY
Hall of Fame
No one starts their career with the goal of breaking a record lol. But if you win enough matches to get close, it makes sense to find new motivations.
One thing I will say is the Big 3 ruined tennis for future generations, and our expectations of greatness
Oh, you won 4 Australian Opens in a row? Cool story, someone else won 9 titles!! Oh, this is your 5th French Open? Let me know when you hit 13! Oh nice, you won Wimbledon, congrats, but I'll be more impressed if you won it 8x
One thing I will say is the Big 3 ruined tennis for future generations, and our expectations of greatness
Oh, you won 4 Australian Opens in a row? Cool story, someone else won 9 titles!! Oh, this is your 5th French Open? Let me know when you hit 13! Oh nice, you won Wimbledon, congrats, but I'll be more impressed if you won it 8x
jm1980
Talk Tennis Guru
Sampras could have played a few more Slams, but his chances would at winning them have been pretty slim. He certainly wouldn't have won enough to change the race as it stands now
Does this mean Murray is an ATG?
In hindsight, he could have played more slams in general. The point is no one can see the future. Hamilton broke Schumacher records, but that doesn’t make him a greater driver.
mxmx
Hall of Fame
To me Federer did.So PETE killed Tennis?
eagletennis
Semi-Pro
It's just not the way how sports work especially country club sports. Damn ESPN is always showing only GS graphics. It is what it is. As we said before GS matters everything else is tiebreaker
nolefam_2024
G.O.A.T.
If Roger reaped most rewards from the media hype, its fair to other players to get the same treatment now.
Nothing wrong in being obsessed about records.
Nothing wrong in being obsessed about records.
Strale
Semi-Pro
This is absolutely correct sir...Tennis is indeed ruinedNo one starts their career with the goal of breaking a record lol. But if you win enough matches to get close, it makes sense to find new motivations.
One thing I will say is the Big 3 ruined tennis for future generations, and our expectations of greatness
Oh, you won 4 Australian Opens in a row? Cool story, someone else won 9 titles!! Oh, this is your 5th French Open? Let me know when you hit 13! Oh nice, you won Wimbledon, congrats, but I'll be more impressed if you won it 8x
And to me that’s a badge of honor.
beard
Legend
Federer knew he's chased and in danger from the very begining, he plays in his 40ies to avoid being catched... He got catched...
mxmx
Hall of Fame
I don't believe it's as much to do with the physical aspect but rather the mental. Kids back then were far more disciplined mentally...today we have Kyrgios lemmings.
As I said nothing wrong with that.
Spencer Gore
Legend
Sad stuff from Federer. Yes, Roger, we should start treating Halle as equal to the slams now that your record is in serious danger. Sure thing.
I'm actually starting to feel sorry for him. It must be incredibly difficult to have everyone call you the greatest for so long and then to see that crumble in front of your eyes. He's acting like an upset child when a new baby arrives at the family home and they are suddenly not everyone's focus of attention.
I'm actually starting to feel sorry for him. It must be incredibly difficult to have everyone call you the greatest for so long and then to see that crumble in front of your eyes. He's acting like an upset child when a new baby arrives at the family home and they are suddenly not everyone's focus of attention.
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Omega_7000
Legend
He is exactly right and something many of us have posted here as well.
His motivation dipped significantly after he broke all records whereas Djokodal had a target to aim for and this helped them sustain their motivation until they finally break Fed's record.
Unfortunately (or fortunately for Djokodal) for tennis, there have been no younger players in the next three generations that have the same ambition or drive to be the greatest.
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I cannot agree with Federer.
Now it looks like a pure damage control as he is about to lose the GS record.
It's a pity Roger didn't say that 12 years ago.
Now it looks like a pure damage control as he is about to lose the GS record.
It was indeed. The main difference: minor tournaments have become less important as nowadays top players are now urged to be more selective. Average player's career length has increased significantly over last two decades, so longevity is more important than winning multiple 250 tournaments. It's more valuable to win multiple Slams over 15 years than plenty of Mickey Mouse tournaments over 5 years.
Insincere. That was his goal.
Insincere. Federer was strongly pursuing every next Slam over 15.
Great that Roger learned that kind of talk. Impossible to see him saying that a few years ago.
junior74
Talk Tennis Guru
I read it two times and that's my thoughts precisely, lol.
Those must have been poetic words, since they led to so many interpretations
it will be a massively silly exercise if his fanbase now start claiming total titles lead, after chanting "it's all about the slams" for so long.
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
Did Fed just read TTW Fed fans and steal our lines... That being said...
106.
106.
BrooklynNY
Hall of Fame
His motivation dipped so much he lost the following USO in a tight 5 setter to Del Potro playing the match of his life, then won the following 2010 Australian Open in a demolition of Murray.
What you think is a 'dip in motivation' was actual prime Nadal of 2010, and then Djokovic hitting his stride in 2011.
He made the RG final in 2011, and lost in the semi's of 2010/2011 US Open having match points. I don't really see where you can point to a lack of motivation.
From 2011- beginning of 2013 - 2013 - we might have had the Big 3 all closest to their best at the same time. 2013 Fed had a bad year by his standards, with some back injury struggles - losing to Robredo the round before he as due to finally play Nadal at the US Open. 2014 he bounced back to make the Wimbledon final, losing in 5 sets.
Again, not seeing the 'dip in motivation' - by the time he broke the record it was already clear that that Nadal was a serious force on all surfaces, having beat him in 2008 Wimbledon and 2009 Australian. That's plenty motivation.
Russeljones
Talk Tennis Guru
He is changing too. We all change.
Two things stand out from this interview, placed there with customary finesse by Fed
One, he is saying, as so many people do to the exasperation of others - "Don't do as I did, do as I say now!" So basically, he had a target to break Pete's slam record, wanted to do it, but now all of a sudden when his own slam record is on the threshold of being broken by not only one, but 2 players - the discussion should no longer centre around slams.
Second, it's interesting how having put in that bit about slams in exquisite style, he does not reference the next most prestigious tier (Masters) either - coz ofc, he is behind in Masters as well.
Masterly plaid with customary style. And of course, he will have some people (who were shouting from the rooftops for 10--15 years that it's all about slam titles), now vociferously agreeing with this smooth attempt at a goal post change. I can't wait to see the knots they will tie themselves in..
One, he is saying, as so many people do to the exasperation of others - "Don't do as I did, do as I say now!" So basically, he had a target to break Pete's slam record, wanted to do it, but now all of a sudden when his own slam record is on the threshold of being broken by not only one, but 2 players - the discussion should no longer centre around slams.
Second, it's interesting how having put in that bit about slams in exquisite style, he does not reference the next most prestigious tier (Masters) either - coz ofc, he is behind in Masters as well.
Masterly plaid with customary style. And of course, he will have some people (who were shouting from the rooftops for 10--15 years that it's all about slam titles), now vociferously agreeing with this smooth attempt at a goal post change. I can't wait to see the knots they will tie themselves in.
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GhostofPetros
Semi-Pro
Dread it, run from it, destiny arrives all the same.
Krish872007
Talk Tennis Guru
2 other interesting views:
Cilic from February 2021: "It Doesn't Matter..."
tennisbuzz.net
Cilic, though, who won the US Open and lost two more Grand Slam finals – both to Federer – believes fans will make their own judgement on whose achievements they consider greatest, and the record books will only make up part of the the debate, not the end of it.
“You know let’s say at the end of their careers it doesn’t matter [whether] Novak Djokovic, Rafa Nadal or Roger Federer is having the most Grand Slams,” Cilic told the Game of Two Halves podcast.
“I think it’s gonna matter in the history of books, who had the most of Grand Slams. But, you know, they’re all individuals, and we all value our success differently.
“You know, for me, having one slam and having this great career I had, it’s still incredibly good.
“And it’s not easy to compare generations because it’s been different tennis, different rivalries, you know, it’s a lot of things different.”
Federer from January 2020: "It's Obvious They Will Break It..."
www.forbes.com
“I think the way it’s going, obviously, Rafa and Novak will win more,” Federer told Howard Fendrich of the Associated Press in Dubai, “because they’re that good. And the season they had (in 2019), again, shows that there is more to come for them.”
“I looked up to him so much that I felt, also, uncomfortable maybe, sometimes, breaking his records,” Federer told the AP. “It’s not something I ever wanted to do. It just happened to be like this. But of course I knew it was a big, big-time moment in our sport. And I think those are the moments you will remember.
“Now, at the end, if somebody else would pass you, I mean, I guess it’s OK, because that’s what sports is all about. It’s a lot about numbers. It’s a lot about records. But I had my moment and I always said everything that comes after 15 was, anyway, a bonus. And especially after the knee injury (in 2016), everything that came after that was a bonus. I would have taken one more Slam, and I was able to get three more — and three amazing ones.”
Cilic from February 2021: "It Doesn't Matter..."
Cilic: 'It doesn't matter whether Djokovic, Nadal, or Federer wins Slam race'
Marin Cilic says who wins the Grand Slam race between Roger Federer, Rafael Nadal, and Novak Djokovic will only matter to the history books, not to fans.
tennisbuzz.net
Cilic, though, who won the US Open and lost two more Grand Slam finals – both to Federer – believes fans will make their own judgement on whose achievements they consider greatest, and the record books will only make up part of the the debate, not the end of it.
“You know let’s say at the end of their careers it doesn’t matter [whether] Novak Djokovic, Rafa Nadal or Roger Federer is having the most Grand Slams,” Cilic told the Game of Two Halves podcast.
“I think it’s gonna matter in the history of books, who had the most of Grand Slams. But, you know, they’re all individuals, and we all value our success differently.
“You know, for me, having one slam and having this great career I had, it’s still incredibly good.
“And it’s not easy to compare generations because it’s been different tennis, different rivalries, you know, it’s a lot of things different.”
Federer from January 2020: "It's Obvious They Will Break It..."
Roger Federer Say It’s ‘Obvious’ Rafael Nadal, Novak Djokovic ‘Will Win More’ Grand Slam Titles Than Him
Roger Federer is locked in a historic battle with rivals Rafael Nadal and Novak Djokovic for supremacy atop men’s tennis, but he knows time is not on his side.
www.forbes.com
“I think the way it’s going, obviously, Rafa and Novak will win more,” Federer told Howard Fendrich of the Associated Press in Dubai, “because they’re that good. And the season they had (in 2019), again, shows that there is more to come for them.”
“I looked up to him so much that I felt, also, uncomfortable maybe, sometimes, breaking his records,” Federer told the AP. “It’s not something I ever wanted to do. It just happened to be like this. But of course I knew it was a big, big-time moment in our sport. And I think those are the moments you will remember.
“Now, at the end, if somebody else would pass you, I mean, I guess it’s OK, because that’s what sports is all about. It’s a lot about numbers. It’s a lot about records. But I had my moment and I always said everything that comes after 15 was, anyway, a bonus. And especially after the knee injury (in 2016), everything that came after that was a bonus. I would have taken one more Slam, and I was able to get three more — and three amazing ones.”
zagor
Bionic Poster
He was pretty calm and composed in this interview Spencer Bore, he certainly behaves better than you do after a big Nadal loss on this forum.
No, he won't. Novak has his targets set, he was very clear he wanted the total weeks #1 and slam titles records. He has accomplished the former and is on the way of achieving the latter. He will not deign to target this total titles, why should he? He is already far ahead of Fed in Masters 1000 titles, he isn't going to be fussed about trailing in 250/500s.
Fed does not get to determine what other champs target or value. Changing goalposts doesn't mean his rivals will feel compelled to trot over sideways, they are too focused and bigger than that.
Somehow I feel this is a little petty reaction from his side, a tad insecure perhaps. But that's (perhaps) understandable, it wouldn't be easy or pleasant having the records you set be broken. It is what it is. Fans will be more in a debate on this, it's not going to affect either Rafa or Novak at all.
TearTheRoofOff
G.O.A.T.
Pretty funny seeing what you come out with following the denial of the likes of @Hitman's take on your antics.
jm1980
Talk Tennis Guru
Why do you think he regularly plays Halle and Basel?
I was wondering the same thing.
the ATP site has a table for "Big titles won", where Fed currently TRAILS both Novak and Rafa - 60 /57/54. I'm SURE he knows this.This behaviour is called "Do as I say now, don't do as I did"
Krish872007
Talk Tennis Guru
I was wondering the same thing.
He's also missed 32 Masters events since the end of 2012 - either due to injury or to avoid overplaying prior to a Major tournament
He's also been saying for a while that he knows the record will be broken by 1 of the other 2, so somewhat confused messaging this time round. Maybe he's surprised it hasn't already been passed
How long is it before Laver cups have to be counted too?
Krish872007
Talk Tennis Guru
Strale
Semi-Pro
Like the Quran,miracle of reinterpretation...Whateve you think it means...I read it two times and that's my thoughts precisely, lol.
Those must have been poetic words, since they led to so many interpretations
Krish872007
Talk Tennis Guru
Woah, now we've opened up a whole new debate
fedfan08
Professional
And don’t forget the tennis media is 100% focused on slam count. Same on the women’s side. For years their only focus has been Serena passing Steffi.
Strale
Semi-Pro
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I wont further discus this topic.
That's the conclusion you drew from this thread?
fedfan08
Professional
"At some point I set this goal that it would be nice if I equalized or broke Pete’s record."
His words verbatim.
slam record certainly mattered to him then, it wasn't so happenstance as he seems to suggest.
TennisFan3
Talk Tennis Guru
He MADE tennis.So PETE killed Tennis?
TennisFan3
Talk Tennis Guru
Well, to be fair Fed has focussed a lot on the slams and talked about his increasing count especially after 2017.
Now that he knows that Novak will surely surpass him by a good margin, suddenly slams are NOT so important any more.
Let's just call a spade for what it is. I think this is a bit of hypocrisy from the Swiss ace.
And to be fair, I don't blame him for it. He is a top athlete and very competitive, so it's hard to admit someone else (in this case Novak) is flat out better.
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