Even last Saturday?No way Serena would be as high as 700
If her daughter is in the stands she couldNo way Serena would be as high as 700
Or if she wore that oh-so-enticing catsuit.If her daughter is in the stands she could
The problem women are going to have is not that they are going to be thrust into the men's tour. They problem they are going to have is that men who self-identify as women are going to want to get in on the WTA. It has already happened in high school track where a biologic male transgender has won state titles by beating girls.And again because Serena said something stupid all women are going to be put down. No women can't compete with men in sports and 99% don't want to, so please can this all just stop.
I don't know any young woman with a Serena tatoo on her arse, she's not the patron saint of feminists everywhere and I don't know anyone that named their daughter Serena.
That's already happened at the Olympics.The problem women are going to have is not that they are going to be thrust into the men's tour. They problem they are going to have is that men who self-identify as women are going to want to get in on the WTA. It has already happened in high school track where a biologic male transgender has won state titles by beating girls.
The problem women are going to have is not that they are going to be thrust into the men's tour. They problem they are going to have is that men who self-identify as women are going to want to get in on the WTA. It has already happened in high school track where a biologic male transgender has won state titles by beating girls.
Somebody needs to tell her that she looks abominable.Or if she wore that oh-so-enticing catsuit.
It's not happening yet.People have been saying this ever since Renee Richards tried to enter the 1976 US Open. 42 years and still there is no procession of men identifying as trans-women and going on to dominate the women's tour. Plus, the tour isn't going to take self-identification as sufficient for entry into the women's event.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renée_Richards
Or if she wore that oh-so-enticing catsuit.
I must assume you have me on ignore.It's not happening yet.
In tennis?I must assume you have me on ignore.
It already happened at the 2016 Olympics.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ke-Olympic-history-competing-games-women.html
There's no question that Serena has been more dominant during her era than any other player in history but I'd love to see Serena try to handle Evert's drop-shot.Plenty of people argue that greatest and best aren't the same thing. For example, no doubt there are advocates of Laver, or Rosewall, or Gonzales, or Tilden, or Budge, or even Ellsworth Vines or Lew Hoad as the greatest of all time who are perfectly happy to agree that in the science-fiction scenario in which they are transported to 2018 and play Djokovic or Nadal or to 2006 and play Federer, they will lose. They just deny that that is relevant to their case for being greatest of all time. If that's the case, then someone can argue that Serena is the greatest player of all time - men or women - without arguing that she's able to beat Federer or Djokovic or Nadal or the science-fiction Laver or Rosewall or Gonzales or Tilden or Budge or even Ellsworth Vines or Lew Hoad.
Personally, I'm still voting for Martina Navratilova and possibly Chris Evert as greater than either Serena Williams or Steffi Graf.
It has to be specifically tennis? Why? The same point I made holds, if they have to continue taking estrogen (which they do to be able to compete as women) they're not going to have the strength and speed they did as men. They're not going to have the impact that people think they will.In tennis?
I was replying another poster's post.It has to be specifically tennis? Why? The same point I made holds, if they have to continue taking estrogen (which they do to be able to compete as women) they're not going to have the strength and speed they did as men. They're not going to have the impact that people think they will.
It's not happening yet.
And you would personally like it happening? Do you hate tennis?And with right-wing identity politics sweeping all before it, it's becoming less and less likely.
Please look above, you actually quoted me when you said "in tennis".I was replying another poster's post.
Before you quoted me.Please look above, you actually quoted me when you said "in tennis".
Yes post #18, that's what I responded to.Before you quoted me.
There's no question that Serena has been more dominant during her era than any other player in history but I'd love to see Serena try to handle Evert's drop-shot.
I don't know why you responded to me but I was clearly not talking to you when I said "it's not happening yet".Yes post #18, that's what I responded to.
And you would personally like it happening? Do you hate tennis?
I don't call GOATs but I do miss so much of the woman's game from the days of Evert, Nvaratilova, Graf and a few others (not Goolagong though she bored the snot out of me)I think that is a question. Just a few stats here:
Career titles: Navratilova - 167; Evert - 157; Graf - 107; Williams - 72.
Weeks as #1: Graf - 377; Navratilova - 332; Williams - 319; Evert - 260.
Grand Slam finals: Evert - 34; Navratilova - 32; Graf - 31; Williams - 31.
Career winning percentage: Evert - 90.46; Graf - 88.69; Navratilova - 87.77; Williams - 85.49.
None of these things mean that Serena is definitely not more dominant than the others, just that it is open to debate. To my mind, the key stat is Slam finals, because Evert and Navratilova took a lot of Slam titles off each other and so brought both their titles tally down. And they both skipped quite a few Australian Opens early on because it wasn't that important at the time. Graf in particular didn't have her main rival for much of the later part of her career after the Seles stabbing, so it was easier for her to convert Slam finals into Slam titles than it was for Navratilova or Evert. The same is true to some extent of Williams with Henin, but Henin's retirement was entirely voluntary, unlike Seles's absence.
I do actually agree with you that goat debates are unresolvable and so best not engaged in. But these are my thoughts on the topic for what little they are worth.
Good Lord Man, You asked me a question in post #18 - "in tennis?" and I responded to THAT and then in post#22 you took my response and said you weren't talking to me. Look at the thread. I only respond to you when you directly quote me.I don't know why you responded to me but I was clearly not talking to you when I said "it's not happening yet".
Because that's what I meant when I told the other poster it's not happening yet (in tennis). Do you mind not responding to posts not meant for you to respond to?Good Lord Man, You asked me a question in post #18 - "in tennis?" and I responded to THAT and then in post#22 you took my response and said you weren't talking to me. Look at the thread. I only respond to you when you directly quote me.
I didn't. You don't know what post #18 and post #22 mean do you?Because that's what I meant when I told the other poster it's not happening yet (in tennis). Do you mind not responding to posts not meant for you to respond to?
You're crazy. Tell me why you wrote post #18 first.I didn't. You don't know what post #18 and post #22 mean do you?
Post #18 - You Posted to Me:
Ann said: ↑
I must assume you have me on ignore.
It already happened at the 2016 Olympics.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ke-Olympic-history-competing-games-women.html
In tennis?
Post #21 - I responded
CYGS said: ↑
In tennis?
It has to be specifically tennis? Why? The same point I made holds, if they have to continue taking estrogen (which they do to be able to compete as women) they're not going to have the strength and speed they did as men. They're not going to have the impact that people think they will.
Post #22 - You replied
Ann said: ↑
It has to be specifically tennis? Why? The same point I made holds, if they have to continue taking estrogen (which they do to be able to compete as women) they're not going to have the strength and speed they did as men. They're not going to have the impact that people think they will.
I was replying another poster's post.
Please look above, I don't know why you're not following this. I responded to only when you QUOTED me in your post.
And you were obviously fine with me responding until I shut your "in tennis?" down. Dude, this is a message board not a private chat room, if you can't handle someone having a good response to your silly comment maybe you should take up knitting and get a cat.
I like cats too.Everyone should get a cat. Annoying though they are, their purring is also therapeutic.
UnbelievableAnd you were obviously fine with me responding until I shut your "in tennis?" down. Dude, this is a message board not a private chat room, if you can't handle someone having a good response to your silly comment maybe you should take up knitting and get a cat.
Anyway back to what we were talking about. Those numbers were shocking. See I feel like Serena has been so totally dominant for decades now but maybe it's just all the hype that surrounds her that makes it appear that way.Everyone should get a cat. Annoying though they are, their purring is also therapeutic.
Im gonna pukeOr if she wore that oh-so-enticing catsuit.
It's a great solution suggested by mac. Let's make it one tour, woman and men play together.