forehand question

princeO32433

New User
on a forehand should i hit the ball in front of me? my coach says to hit the ball next to my body but looking at the pros they hit the ball wayy out in front. if i should hit the ball in front of me, should i lay my wrist back to keep my racquet parallel to the net?
Thanks!
 
Although the contact point is slightly different for every grip, you should be hitting your forehand in front of you whatever grip you are using. For example, if you are using an Eastern forehand grip, you should be facing the side fence and hit the ball while it is in front of you i.e. in between you and the fence. For a Western grip, you will be facing the net, and still hit the ball in front of you i.e. while the ball is in between you and the net.
 

SystemicAnomaly

Bionic Poster
Is this your standard topspin FH groundstroke or is your coach having you work on sliced FHs or (late-hit) emergency shots? A sliced FH can have a contact that is less forward than a topspin shot. An extreme case is the so-called squash shot. At times you will see a pro hit a FH stroke somewhat late which results in a non-standard follow-thru -- over the top of their head or even behind the head.

Is you coach really asking you to hit the ball somewhere between your front foot and your rear (racket) foot? Is it possible that you've misunderstood your coach's intent. Perhaps your coach is referring to getting your body to the side of the incoming ball rather than having it come directly at you (or too close to the ball's trajectory). While you want to get your body to the side of the ball's flight, the actual contact should be somewhat forward.

For an Eastern FH grip, your contact, in most cases, should be no further back than even with your forward foot (duznt matter if you use an open stance or square/closed stance). With this grip many good players will hit somewhat further forward than this. Western grips push the ideal contact further forward than this.

I'd say yes to laying your wrist back for most FH shots. Your racket face won't always be parallel to the net -- that depends on the intended trajectory of your shot. Think of your racket being, more or less, perpendicular to the court (unless you need to open it up to lift the ball). Also, high, rising balls can sometimes bee hit with a slightly closed face.
 

downdaline

Professional
I think u should post a vid or something. But most coaches i've spoken to say to take the ball in front for better direction control and so that u can also keep ur secondary vision on ur opponent.
 
You have to hit in front of you.

I saw this last night:

http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/NextLevel.html?ccode=TNL002
extend = easier on you and more power

Here are some Federer forehands:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=yRzLgGPShUw
-always in front, of course as any pro or anybody- doesn't hit in front? except maybe Nadal super topspin shot sometimes.
-his wrist is back the whole time.

It has been well documented (thanks especially to John Yandell) that there is almost no wrist in any of the top player's forehands, Fed's included. However, this being said, if there is wrist action in any forehand, there is 'good' wrist and 'bad' wrist actions. Bad wrist actions are those that include pronation during contact, (rolling the racquet closed, as in many who try to hit topspin this way), and inflexation of the wrist, (which is more of a slapping-like action which flattens the ball but also changes the hitting surface during the contact phase too.)

If the wrist moves linearly up or down, this can increase the the topspin (or slice) of the racquet without changing the plane of the racquet face. However, such actions, in my opinion, can hurt the wrist and only add marginally increased actions on the ball.

Look at the super slo mo vids of pros and you will see that there is indeed no wrist for the most part. What people see is the finish of the stroke, the relaxation phase where the wrist releases and it looks like, at full speed, there is wrist action in the stroke. Slow it down and you won't see this until well after contact!

Best of luck on reaching the top!
 

tricky

Hall of Fame
How do i increase racquet head speed. no matter how hard i try i can't swing faster then i am! do i flick my wrist or what?

That just leads to tennis elbow. You can go through this checklist:

1) Do you have a unit turn?

2) Do you set up that unit turn with your body rather than the arm?

3) How much does shoulder go back in your takeback? Does your shoulder point to the back fence?

4) Are you hitting the ball in front of you?

5) Are you using your legs?

6) Is, on average, your elbow above your hand in your finish? If so, then you're not hitting through the ball.
 

tricky

Hall of Fame
Also how do i change from a push to pull stroke?

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But, yeah, here goes the long version . . .

First, you want to first establish that your current stroke looks like this:

http://www.easitennis2.com/PowerClinic/StabilityAndPower.htm

If not, you may already have it. If so, continue on:

The "short" answer is to keep the angle on the left side of your thumb/wrist between 90 and 135 degrees through the takeback, so that you see a crease on the left side of your wrist. (Similar to how a 1H BH looks.)

Usually this means that, at the height of your takeback, the racquet tip will be pointing "forward" (or toward the net.) Rather than pointing at the sky.

But, the above is kinda esoteric, so here's a checklist:

1) Do you have a unit turn? If so, do you set your unit turn by rotating your hips and torso?

2) Do you keep your back shoulder below your front shoulder through the entire takeback?

3) At height of takeback, is your elbow pointing to the ground (good) or toward the back fence (bad)? Is racquet tip still pointing forward?

4) In your finish, does your elbow still at level or below your hand?

5) Do you "sit and lift?"

The above may be easier to accomplish with a strong SW grip. Also, it's easier to pick up flaws if you try holding the racquet with just the thumb, third and 4th fingers. Once you feel good about it, then you can move the grip over to whatever you prefer.

The above doesn't cover the WW finish or anything, just the basic feel and muscles that are involved with a "pull" stroke.

To develop racquet speed, you can work on abbreviation and shoulder turn. They actually go hand in hand, because it's really the shoulder (not the size of the backswing ) that creates racquet speed. This also works with the stroke you're currentyl using.

1) Imagine holding something small (say a penny or post-it pad) under your armpit in your takeback. You don't need to actually close the armpit (which would restrict natural motion), but you want to feel like your takeback is abbreviated, and that your shoulder is turning and mostly leading the takeback.

2) Concentrate on a lengthening or stretch in your right pec in your takeback.

3) Work on taking the back shoulder away from the front shoulder, while keeping the back shoulder below the front.

To develop wiping action you can do either of the following. This should also work with your current swing, and it can help develop more racquet speed.

1) The "standard" visualization (from Nick B's Killer FH instruction) is to imagine that, as you're initiating your forward swing, you're pulling out of a slot. If your racquet frame was between two parallel hands, you would be able to initiate your forward swing without the frame touching either hand.

2) For me, I just visualize that the right fence is temporarily close to my racquet when I'm initiating the forward swing.

From there, you have something pretty close to a WW FH. Then, if you want to have fun, then you can experiment with wrist and all that other stuff.
 

SystemicAnomaly

Bionic Poster
How do i increase racquet head speed. no matter how hard i try i can't swing faster then i am! do i flick my wrist or what?

No wrist flick. There may be some forearm rotation (pronation), especially with Western grips and a wiper follow-thru. As mentioned before, most of that pronation is seen in the follow thru. I suspect that pronation action starts just prior to contact but is not easily discernible until the follow-thru.

Also how do i change from a push to pull stroke?

This may shed some light on why you are not generating greater racket head speed. Most of your power should be coming from your legs and body rotation (hips, followed by torso). When players are asked to use more body rotation to generate power, they often spin more or faster after contact has already been made.

What needs to be done, instead, is to start the hip rotation, followed by torso rotation just prior to the forward swing of the racket. There is still plenty of body rotation at contact & during the follow-thru but it is important to start that rotation shortly before the racket head starts is forward swing.

The hip rotation actually starts is the racket is still falling (in a loop swing). The upper body rotation also starts before the racket head comes around. Note how Roger is dragging (pulling) his racket as his body has started its turn:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmhvKafCYsk

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princeO32433

New User
also how can i change to a windshield wiper forehand like federer? on all my forehands i finish above my shoulder. when i try to finish around my body like federer it feels like im forcing the shot and not letting my arm flow
 

paulfreda

Hall of Fame
I was always taught that hitting out front too much causes a loss of power. Basic physics; far enough out front and racquet speed must go to zero. Closer to the body [depth toward net not space from ball to body] allows the forearm power to work. Too far in front and all you are doing is pushing the ball.
Maybe this is what your coach is talking about ?
 

SystemicAnomaly

Bionic Poster
I was always taught that hitting out front too much causes a loss of power. Basic physics; far enough out front and racquet speed must go to zero. Closer to the body [depth toward net not space from ball to body] allows the forearm power to work. Too far in front and all you are doing is pushing the ball.
Maybe this is what your coach is talking about ?

How far forward is too far in front? It depends on the FH grip and the stroke mechanics employed for the shot. It is also somewhat dependent on the height on the contact.

For the most part, if the contact is not far enough forward, it is difficult to transfer much power from body rotation. Federer hits the ball fairly far forward given the FH grip he uses.

also how can i change to a windshield wiper forehand like federer? on all my forehands i finish above my shoulder. when i try to finish around my body like federer it feels like im forcing the shot and not letting my arm flow

The wiper follow-thru requires somewhat more forearm rotation than the over-the-shoulder variety. It typically results in more topspin as well. The wiper follow-thru is more common with a Western grip (full or semi) than with Eastern. This makes sense since you normally see more pronation, particularly evident in the follow-thru, when Western grips are utilized.

With that said, Federer employs a wiper follow-thru even tho' his grip is a variant of the Eastern. I've seen him do it with an extreme Eastern (not sure if he varies his grip from this). Watching & studying videos of Roger's FH can help you adapt your own stroke to something similar.

Federer forehand - slow motion

Analysis of Federer's Forehand w/QuickTime video

(note: with the QuickTime vid you can step thru the action frame-by-frame using the arrow keys)
 
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tricky

Hall of Fame
I was always taught that hitting out front too much causes a loss of power. Basic physics; far enough out front and racquet speed must go to zero.

I think it depends on the mechanics of the stroke. In the FH associated with WW (pull), the arm extends or "springs" forward into the ball as your body rotates. The contact zone is well in front of you, even with a fairly conservative grip. Whereas in the FH often associated with the women's game now (push), the contact zone tends to be besides the person. Contact zone is less in front.

The body sequencing -- how the unit turn is set up, and how the body drives the arm -- also is different between the two strokes. To go between the two different strokes, it's good to drop the backswing or takeback initially to get used to how the body moves.
 
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