weakera
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True faster conditions afford lesser opponents the opportunity to really get hot and wreak havoc.
Fucsovics says, "US Open Court speed is quite faster than last year"
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True faster conditions afford lesser opponents the opportunity to really get hot and wreak havoc.
RS
Bionic Poster
USO was fast before they slowed it in 2001 and then again in 2003. In 2008-2009 Tiley said it averaged around 40 points which would mean it gets faster after heavy play which would probably make it around 42-44 range.
USO was fast before they slowed it in 2001 and then again in 2003. In 2008-2009 Tiley said it averaged around 40 points which would mean it gets faster after heavy play which would probably make it around 42-44 range.
The article you posted says that "US Open is closer to 40", that's medium according to ITF. Closer to 40 could be anything. 38 is also closer to 40 and it doesn't increase that much within a tournament. It increases 1-2 points maximum. The conclusion is that US Open has been in the medium speed range since 2003.
UnderratedSlam
G.O.A.T.
Federer practices with riff-raff?...
NastyWinners
Hall of Fame
Well hopefully Rublev won't be in his draw if the courts are fast 
TJfederer16
Hall of Fame
Erm the last 5 times they played on it.......?
Poisoned Slice
Bionic Poster
From my observation there's more scope for increase when it's insanely slow like 22. If it's already in the medium category, it doesn't increase that much. Montreal increased by 1 point this year from 42.x to 43.x. In the 35-39 category, it won't increase by more than 2 points.
TJfederer16
Hall of Fame
Well hopefully Rublev won't be in his draw if the courts are fast
Yes it does give an advantage to the greater majority of players, particularly those with big games but the point is if Roger finds his way past players like Rublev and gets into the later round to set up a potential Novak or Rafa matchup then the faster courts definitely help Roger, that's the point.......
Sorry? last 5 times was which years again? Its 2019 if that's any help
TJfederer16
Hall of Fame
Sorry? last 5 times was which years again? Its 2019 if that's any help
It was 2017 just for your records. The last five hardcourt meetings were as follows;
Federer bt. Nadal Shanghai 2017 - 6-4 6-3
Federer bt. Nadal Miami 2017 - 6-3 6-4
Federer bt. Nadal Indian Wells 2017 - 6-2 6-3
Federer bt. Nadal Australian Open 2017 - 6-4 3-6 6-1 3-6 6-3
Federer bt. Nadal Basel 2015 - 6-3 5-7 6-3
As much as you would like to forget these, they are the most relevant along with their most recent meeting.
Enceladus
Legend
True Fanerer
G.O.A.T.
The enlightened onesIt's VB logic. Check my signature for explanation
Utter nonsense. The match with Nadal barely had any rallies. Nadal could barely touch Federer's serve aside from the 2nd set. Players haven't done much serve and volleying anywhere on tour in almost 20 years now, so that means absolutely nothing as far as court speed. Wimbledon played just as fast as it ever has since the surface change in 2002, despite the ludicrous Federer fanboy claims on the internet.
People were calling it freak'n clay. It was such clay that Federer dismissed Nadal in 4 sets. Federer fans are ridiculous.
People this year were calling Miami the slowest thing ever, just like Wimbledon. What is with all this ridiculous revisionist history about people whining about how slow courts are until Federer wins on them? It's a joke.
Federer won Miami and was a point away from winning Wimbledon after all his fanboys cried about how the courts were the slowest ever.
Yes Federer fans call every tournament slow unless he wins it. That has been going on for over a decade now. I was not here during Miami so don't know about that but I saw many calling it faster than how it used to be in Key Biscayne.
Russeljones
Talk Tennis Guru
Lick
Djokodal Fan
Hall of Fame
That's good news for both Djokovic and Fed. Then again, chances for big upsets are also higher!
stringertom
Bionic Poster
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
Fucsovics training with Roger on Ashe on Monday. It's so humid they're vacuuming up the moisture on court.
(just kidding).
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
Nothing is going to favor a 38 year old man in winning a slam. So the default and logical answer is it will help Djokovic.
weakera
Talk Tennis Guru
kevaninho
Hall of Fame
This is hilarious ,how when Fed wins a tournament, it was suddenly a great tournament LOL
Mr Feeny
Hall of Fame
What did I just read?
There were tons of rallies. Lots of the points went longer than usual, and Federer simply outplayed Nadal from the baseline because the low bounce helped him in a big way.Pretending that Wimbledon was anything but slow is not just delusion by the Federer detractors, but a little sad.
Mr Feeny
Hall of Fame
All of the credit none of the blame eh my man?
Rewrite that so that it atleast makes sense.
Mr Feeny
Hall of Fame
Djokovic is going to win, I think. He handles fast conditions really well. He'll play attacking tennis and control the courts.
True Fanerer
G.O.A.T.
Look at the bright side.
There's always the French.
There's always the French.
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
No one has suggested or said the USO courts are playing "fast." Nobody. They are saying "faster than last year," which is a huge distinction.
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
What does this even mean? Fed is 38 and isn't winning slams anymore. Nobody's taking "blame" or "credit," just stating what is statistically almost a near-certainty. No man has ever won a slam at 38 and the chances of it happening are very small. And if Fed does pull out a miracle and win a major at 38, he takes the credit, not his fans.
stringertom
Bionic Poster
No. It would have been a great tournament even if Nadal won the fifth set.
The reason I compare the two is because surface speed was increased that year and it produced great tennis throughout the tournament. Both SFs went five. When is the last time that happened? I remember Super Saturday at USO’84 and it’s universally considered the greatest single day in tennis history. Both of my preferred players lost their SFs but it was still a great day!
Stop slapping people around that are the sport’s fans due to your myopia and agenda. I stated above I’m a tennis fan first, long watching and playing the game before fedr was even born. I will still be a fan after all the Big3 retire. I am immune to the little kid wars being practiced here monotonously.
Mr Feeny
Hall of Fame
Fair enough. That should help Federer. I still don't know whether he'll win. Last year was extremely slow so unless its significantly faster, then it doesn't mean much as far as improving his chances. A minuscule difference in speed isn't going to make much of a difference.
Zara
G.O.A.T.
It means nothing. Not a thing. The conditions could be rainy or windy which is enough to mess up a number of things.
But let's discuss for the heck of it.
Big_Dangerous
Talk Tennis Guru
Looks like it.
The ITF want a Fedal semi and a Djokodal final.
Djoko will get an easy ride to the final
You think Rafa is going to beat Fed on a fast hard courts? Last 5 times they've played on hardcourts, Fed has come out on top.
2015 Basel
2017 AO Final
2017 Indian Wells 3rd Round
2017 Miami Final
2017 Shanghai Final
And just for good measure
2019 Wimbledon
Big_Dangerous
Talk Tennis Guru
Djokovic lost early in Cincy too...
Also, I seriously doubt Millman and Fed are even going to play each other this year...
weakera
Talk Tennis Guru
He can do no wrong. I gotcha
an old man can't be asked to convert championship points 
TheGhostOfAgassi
Talk Tennis Guru
Its like this before every tournament except clay.
Its the same story for many years now. Never ends.
Some even saying grass now is similar to clay, so that means I guess USO slower than clay since it got to be faster than grass? Or is it slower than grass too?
Its pretty complicated all this and I lost the plot.
Yugram
Legend
"Millman experience" doesn’t necessary mean Millman, but rather upset in general.
Zara
G.O.A.T.
But Nadal fans, in general, hardly talk about surface speed though. That seems to be the concern of many Feds.
They talked about Wimbledon being slow this year and yet, Federer made the final.
TearTheRoofOff
G.O.A.T.
Shame Fed is 150 years old now.That's like the 4th or 5th report about them being faster this year.
I'm actually starting to believe it now
True Fanerer
G.O.A.T.
Seems like wishful thinking to me. As formidable as Nadal is, the fear that many of you wish for Federer and fans to have simply isn't there anymore. The respect as far his abilities is, but that's it. The matches can go either way. Fed solved Rafa for the most part. Sorry to tell you that.
tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
Because it mostly mattered with prime Nadal vs old Federer. Nadal lost his main advantage over Fed = speed.
Yugram
Legend
You probably missed with reply. I wasn’t talking about Fedal match up.
True Fanerer
G.O.A.T.
I know you weren't. The first line of my reply addresses that.
I'll spell it out. It looks like you'd prefer an upset instead of meeting Federer because you know everything I said is true. Make sense now?
Zara
G.O.A.T.
Rubbish. It has everything to do with Novak damaging Rafa's confidence. As a result, he became vulnerable and Federer took advantage of that.
But he's a fighter and trying to find that confidence back if possible. But of course, time and tide, wait for none.
Sentinel
Bionic Poster
I didn't say that. I just said what ITF wants. And I said Fedal.
Zara
G.O.A.T.
AO 2017 was fast for sure but the rest is nonsense. It will depend a lot on the draws as well as conditions. Plus fitness.
Also, if clay is slow and it is, then Federer should have not made so many finals there. Clearly he is capable though the soft draws helped him a lot too, but the point is, he's perfectly fine playing on slow surfaces. It doesn't go against him. In fact, I'd say these days, now that he's older, perhaps he needs a bit more time to set up his shots properly. So if the court is, say, medium slow, it's helps him.
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