Gamma X6-FC vs Alpha Pioneer DC Plus

Spatula

Semi-Pro
What makes the Gamma X6-FC $499 and the Pioneer DC PLus $399. Both offer fixed clamps, dropweight tensioner, 6 point mounts. Both companies have solid reputations, warranty, delivery, free string package and tools.

So the question, what does $100 more for the gamma get you?

---Would love to hear Gamma-Tech's thoughts on this if he's able to.
 

1012007

Hall of Fame
I havnt used any but i have a DW with flying clamps with a linear gripper and its so much easier than some of the vids on youtube with the X2 etc show
 

itsstephenyo

Semi-Pro
The Alpha Pioneer has a linear gripper, which is easier to use than the rotational gripper of the Gamma. Instead of having to rotate the string around the rotational thing and back into the gripper, the linear gripper allows you to just place the string inside and pull tension. It's much simpler.

My advice is go with the Alpha Pioneer DC Plus. 6pt mount, fixed clamps, linear gripper. Just about the best you can get for the price.
 

Gamma Tech

Professional
What makes the Gamma X6-FC $499 and the Pioneer DC PLus $399. Both offer fixed clamps, dropweight tensioner, 6 point mounts. Both companies have solid reputations, warranty, delivery, free string package and tools.

So the question, what does $100 more for the gamma get you?

---Would love to hear Gamma-Tech's thoughts on this if he's able to.

boils down to different manufactures, different prices. like buying a car, ford vs. GM, both will do the same function but are a little bit different and different price.
bret
 

Spatula

Semi-Pro
boils down to different manufactures, different prices. like buying a car, ford vs. GM, both will do the same function but are a little bit different and different price.
bret

Very true. While I think the "ford vs GM" comparision is a bit off though. An explorer with average options falls right in line with a GM Trailblazer, price wise.

What makes the Gamma worth the $100 more is my question? The only difference I'm able to see if the way the string is held while tensioning. No knock to Gamma what so ever. Excellent products, support, c/s, etc...just really curious. That's a large price difference for nearly identical machines.
 

JediMindTrick

Hall of Fame
Very true. While I think the "ford vs GM" comparision is a bit off though. An explorer with average options falls right in line with a GM Trailblazer, price wise.

What makes the Gamma worth the $100 more is my question? The only difference I'm able to see if the way the string is held while tensioning. No knock to Gamma what so ever. Excellent products, support, c/s, etc...just really curious. That's a large price difference for nearly identical machines.

The problem here is that it's Alpha that has a better gripper even though it's cheaper. I think Gamma is lighter though.
 

Ronny

Hall of Fame
the rotational gripper doesnt take up time. it takes literally 1 second to wrap it round. also the gamma has a ratchet/clutch
 

Spatula

Semi-Pro
the rotational gripper doesnt take up time. it takes literally 1 second to wrap it round. also the gamma has a ratchet/clutch

The Alpha Pioneer also has a ratchet/clutch. Everything is nearly identical, except the $100 price increase in the Gamma....
 

Redflea

Hall of Fame
Clamps on the DC Plus are very good, diamond dusted, two way adjustable.

Support from Alpha is just about the best I've had for any product I've owned.

I highly recommend the DC Plus.
 

Spatula

Semi-Pro
I don't doubt that at all as I've spoken with Mark a number of times. I'm just trying to rationalize why two competetors price point there nearly identical machines $100 apart...makes no sense....especially in small market as stringing machines in that range.
 

stox

Rookie
It is possible this is done because of material and labor costs, such as the added cost from the gamma base. Another possibility is demand, in that I know alpha at times sells out of machines (because of their low price?) while gamma may be pricing their product so that they always have a supply. Also, from a marketing standpoint a product priced higher is generally assumed to be better quality, though that doesn't have to be the case.
 

AmericanTemplar

Professional
Generally, I would say that Gamma is more well known in the tennis world. People who don't frequent these message boards or have some other way of being aware of Alpha's reputation might think that Gamma is a safer bet.

A lot of personal stringers (myself included) don't have enough experience to know what they're looking for. That demographic is looking for the best machine that they can get for the amount of money that they're looking to spend. If they have $500 to spend on a machine, they might just assume that a machine from a reputable company that is at the top of their price range is better than a machine that is cheaper from a company that they don't know much about.
 

Spatula

Semi-Pro
To add to that, I don't think that Alpha has something to compete price-wise with the X2.


How does that matter in this comparison? Because they don't offer a entry level model they are compensating that fact in the price point of their Pioneer DC?

I think Gamma shoots themselves in the foot a bit. The average tennis player who is considering stringing is hopefully going to do some research on machines. They will most likely come across Alpha machines if in the US. Gamma for $300-329 offer the Progression 602 or X-6. Both DW/6pt mounth but floating clamps. The Pioneer for $99 more gets you the fixed clamps where as Gamma takes that step to $469-499.

I guess I'm just beating a dead horse here. Prices are the prices, and it gives the consumers the power to make the best choice for their intended needs and budget. I was really hoping to find something more plausable as to the $100 price point difference. Oh well, no worries.
 

YULitle

Hall of Fame
I wasn't saying that Gamma was competitive on similar machines, as this clearly has no merit.

I was just saying that Gamma (and Klipper) have the cheaper introductory machine, and there will always be a market for something that is the "same" but less expensive.
 

Spatula

Semi-Pro
Then I ask your opinion...if you were purchasing a DW/6pt mount/fixed clamp machine...

Pioneer DC Plus or Gamma X6FC?
 

Redflea

Hall of Fame
How does that matter in this comparison? Because they don't offer a entry level model they are compensating that fact in the price point of their Pioneer DC?

I think Gamma shoots themselves in the foot a bit. The average tennis player who is considering stringing is hopefully going to do some research on machines. They will most likely come across Alpha machines if in the US. Gamma for $300-329 offer the Progression 602 or X-6. Both DW/6pt mounth but floating clamps. The Pioneer for $99 more gets you the fixed clamps where as Gamma takes that step to $469-499.

I guess I'm just beating a dead horse here. Prices are the prices, and it gives the consumers the power to make the best choice for their intended needs and budget. I was really hoping to find something more plausable as to the $100 price point difference. Oh well, no worries.

Just a few thoughts for you here...

From what I've seen, Alpha doesn't have the name recognition (in the broader market, it is well known to the stringing community) that Gamma has, and doesn't appear to have the distribution that Gamma does.

So in part it could be that the Gamma folks are looking to leverage those market advantages by going for a higher price-point. An example...when I was younger, my brother (bike nut) used to lecture me that though Schwinn bikes sold for a price premium over other brands, they were not worth the additional money. Still, many of our friends and neighbors happily paid extra for their Schwinns. :)

Also, pricing needs to be reviewed in the context of both Gamma's own product line as well as their products vs. other manuf. products...they may have up-sell or other goals that would make sense (to the Gamma marketing team) that aren't apparent in a one-to-one comparison here.

There is also the very basic choice that any retailer makes...simply put, choose to sell more units at a lower price or fewer units at a higher price. Focus more on volume or margin. What makes sense depends on many factors and often varies over the product's life-cycle. Gamma clearly appears to have decided on the high-margin option for this unit, as I would expect their costs are not going to be higher than Alphas. (Conversely, companies may price a product low to generate interest in the brand and then up-sell you to another product - in this case, a Revo. :) )

All of this does not refute the old saying that you get what you pay for, the problem is that sometimes you're paying for things you don't really need or want, like a better known brand, or the CEO's summer house in the Hamptons. ;)

Hope you found that interesting... :)
 
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hollywood9826

Hall of Fame
100 sounds about right. On eagnas website shows stringpal at 139 and there comp machine (flex 100 at 119). so low 100's for sure.
 

Ronny

Hall of Fame
They are 110 but no longer sell them. At least they aren't on Alpha's page.

they arent on alphas page but they still sell them if you request for one. i spoke to mark last month and he said that its still in stock
 

Zhou

Hall of Fame
they arent on alphas page but they still sell them if you request for one. i spoke to mark last month and he said that its still in stock

Oh, it isn't on New Tech Tennis so I thought they didn't sell them.
 

Redflea

Hall of Fame
My Schwinn Varsity is still with me. Hope my Pioneer DC+ lasts as long!!!!!

Funny! My brother actually had a Schwinn (parents got it for him w/out consulting with him first) that he had for a long time. But he didn't leave well enough alone...as soon as he got it he took it apart, sanded it down and repainted it, replaced the crank, pedals, derailer, brakes, etc., etc., - just about every piece of hardware on it - and then rode it along w/his other bikes for years. My parents thought he was clinically insane ("What are you doing, it's a perfectly good bike!!"). :)
 

VolleyDrop

New User
Resurrecting an old thread here (I had the same question, but am going with the Alpha):

It seems the prices are now comparable: DC Plus is $429 + $35 shipping, and the 602 FC is $469 with free shipping from most retailers.

It seems like they're both the same machine as last year (no upgrades or cheaper parts used).
 

Zhou

Hall of Fame
Resurrecting an old thread here (I had the same question, but am going with the Alpha):

It seems the prices are now comparable: DC Plus is $429 + $35 shipping, and the 602 FC is $469 with free shipping from most retailers.

It seems like they're both the same machine as last year (no upgrades or cheaper parts used).

From my personal experience, the DC Plus is the better buy using solid tracks for the clamps instead of having an extruded base.

The clamps are all metal on the DC Plus and I feel more response from them when clamping when they are too tight or too loose. The Spring Assisted bases are also a Plus as the linear gripper is versus the rotational when it comes to polys.

Overall, I believe the better buy is the Alpha by far. Plus it is a more centralized company so you get better response instead of having to deal with 2 different companies... Gamma does not sell direct.
 

eastchop

New User
Definitely alpha cuz iv seen someone string on a linear gripper with spring assisted and it looks way easier than using cone lock clamps with a rotational. can't beat alpha
 
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