Curious
G.O.A.T.
My most extreme was semi western. I’ll try index knuckle on bevel 4.5, heel pad on 4 both fh and bh.
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zill
Legend
It's perfectly fine to drive the ball with a strong grip and heavy racquet. Look at Djokovic and Fognini. Wawrinka as well.
Curious
G.O.A.T.
They are too conservative. I want to hit like J. Sock now!
zill
Legend
StringSnapper
Hall of Fame
why? it feels like yesterday you were saying all continental grip was the best
Curious
G.O.A.T.
That was at least a few weeks ago!
zill
Legend
Still waiting for him to seriously begin exploring the 2hb....that will be the day.
StringSnapper
Hall of Fame
He already has, I've seen 2hbh videos
zill
Legend
user92626
G.O.A.T.
Maybe they have cut out all the good stuff for a highlight and accidentally used the leftover for us.
Curious
G.O.A.T.
Interesting. They’re not pushers but there’s a lot of unnecessary silly over hitting. Look at the return errors. They have zero mindset to just return it. It FIRST needs to go in. As Rick Macci says, if you get your racket on the ball it has to go in no matter how you return it. In other words you need to be a pusher when it comes to return of serve!
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optic yellow
Legend
What it looks like is that they started playing without any sort of warmup at all haha.
Curious
G.O.A.T.
Or nerves. There’s some better hitting/points later in the video.
StringSnapper
Hall of Fame
Ntrp is just a terrible metric
zill
Legend
Yes when he says "throw your shoulder out of the socket".
FuzzyYellowBalls
Legend
Technically no, they would make fewer errors versus 3.5s and win enough to get bumped to 4.0. They wouldn't be dismissed as not 4.0 if they played 4.0, but they have issues with deep balls hit to their feet. You were right to notice they overhit, they need a mental coaching on when to go for it and when to play a neutral ball.
Curious
G.O.A.T.
Footwork means getting to the ball.
FuzzyYellowBalls
Legend
If you could zoom isolate the feet, that's exactly what my feet look like hitting, if I am already in position to hit the ball.
zill
Legend
What I meant is no footwork whatsoever in between hits. By contrast look at Graf starting at 2:17 how much footwork there is between hitting two balls coming right back at her.
Curious
G.O.A.T.
The more steps the better?
How about as many steps as needed?
zill
Legend
As someone who has been criticized for their footwork all their lives, yes.
I guess it's called not wanting to be caught flat footed which is what Sock was displaying in the previous vid. Here is Fognini hitting also balls pretty much hit to him below but his feet are very active ready to move if required.
Also here
optic yellow
Legend
Remember that active != moving a lot, active = staying light.
FuzzyYellowBalls
Legend
Yup, I understand, I often play with no footwork whatsoever, I've been accused of looking like I am not trying quite often.
curly_2350
Rookie
Emma with a good demonstration of the fundamentals with kiddie balls post surgery.
optic yellow
Legend
The footwork is what stands out here.
zill
Legend
Change WTA to GOAT please. That is the question.
Curious
G.O.A.T.
But that doesn’t change the fact that it’s a better/stronger version of Simona Halep’s forehand, no?
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zill
Legend
But that doesn’t change the fact that it’s a better/stronger version of Simona Halep’s forehand, no?
Magnitudes more flair though.
optic yellow
Legend
dear god that backhand at 15-15 in the first game
Curious
G.O.A.T.
What about that serve trophy position?
Do we really need a swinging racket to trophy?
optic yellow
Legend
ngl I don't understand what trophy position is
optic yellow
Legend
Okay so its the part where you've sunk into your stance after the toss. Yeah it seems obviously not necessary. I feel like it probably developed because some people felt the wider swinging helped counterbalance for more consistent toss.
Curious
G.O.A.T.
It’s actually that “arm, elbow, racket” structure just before the drop starts. I was referring to how players get there from the start of serve motion. See in 2021 Alcaraz racket was travelling around the world before getting there. Then someone must’ve told him that he didn’t actually need to do that. Just take it straight up to the trophy position. Just like Roddick used to do.
optic yellow
Legend
I mean Federer has already sunk into his stance in the picture you showed me? Agreed with what you were saying, the difference in racquet path in Alcaraz side by side was easy to see, I was just speculating why it became a thing.
Curious
G.O.A.T.
Some people say it’s a nice rhythm when you take the racket up to trophy with a back swing first. I suspect it just makes the serve more complicated. Think about an overhead, do you take the racket up with a backswing? Or straight up? I don’t quite like how the female pro does it in the video posted earlier, I think it’s too extreme but I like the Alcaraz or Roddick way. Nice and simple.
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optic yellow
Legend
Yeah exactly. What is that rhythm getting them at that point in the sequence?
optic yellow
Legend
Nik answers this at the end of the video.
