Grand Slams and three in a row...

[Gary Duane]

In men's tennis there are only two players who won the CYGS, Budge and Laver. Budge won 6 in a row, so he had the non calendar year grand slam also.

Laver won his first in 1962, at age 23-24. He won his second in 1969 at age 30-31.

No one else has won three slams in a row over the age of 27. Roy Emerson did it in 1964. His birthday is Nov. 3 1936, so he won the last slam before his 28th birthday.

Fed did it the first time at age 23. He turned 26 after the USO when he won three in a row the third time.

Everyone else won three slams between age 22 and 25. Connors was the youngest. He turned 22 at the USO, I believe.

The only player to win three in a row but never in the same year was Sampras. He won Wimbledon, the USO and then the AO.

Laver's second slam is an outlier because of the weak competition he had in open tennis. The other pros he formerly toured with were all considerably older, with Rosewall being the closest at almost 4 years older. I do not believe we will see another player aged 30 or over win even three slams in the same year.

After examining the records I think that Novak is highly unlikely to win 3 slams this year, but he has a chance. It is reasonable to say that he has to do it this year.

 

[Mustard]

The last male player to win the first 2 majors of the year was Jim Courier in 1992, so some time ago.

 

[Tiger8]

In men's tennis there are only two players who won the CYGS, Budge and Laver. Budge won 6 in a row, so he had the non calendar year grand slam also.

Laver won his first in 1962, at age 23-24. He won his second in 1969 at age 30-31.

No one else has won three slams in a row over the age of 27. Roy Emerson did it in 1964. His birthday is Nov. 3 1936, so he won the last slam before his 28th birthday.

Fed did it the first time at age 23. He turned 26 after the USO when he won three in a row the third time.

Everyone else won three slams between age 22 and 25. Connors was the youngest. He turned 22 at the USO, I believe.

The only player to win three in a row but never in the same year was Sampras. He won Wimbledon, the USO and then the AO.

Laver's second slam is an outlier because of the weak competition he had in open tennis. The other pros he formerly toured with were all considerably older, with Rosewall being the closest at almost 4 years older. I do not believe we will see another player aged 30 or over win even three slams in the same year.

After examining the records I think that Novak is highly unlikely to win 3 slams this year, but he has a chance. It is reasonable to say that he has to do it this year.

Didn't Novak do this in 2011/2012? Wimbledon, US Open, and then Australia in 2012.

 

[Gary Duane]

The last male player to win the first 2 majors of the year was Jim Courier in 1992, so some time ago.

I didn't bother with those who have won two because there are so many who have done so.

But that is interesting to know.

I've been tracking the ages at which players dominate, when they first make it to #1, when they get their first slam, and so on. I want to find out if this current situation where players close to 30 and over 30 are winning so much is something permanent, or if it is something else.

The peak for tennis players has been around age 22 to 27 for a very long time. Medicine, fitness and training may be extending careers, but my intuition is that older players dominating so much is a bit like the beginning of open tennis, when a few players were simply so much better than the rest that it took a few years for the rest to catch up.

My own feeling is that Fed, Nadal and Novak are all outliers. If I am right, this will not be clear until they are all way beyond their prime and younger players take over in the vacuum.

When Rosewall and Laver won the French and Wimbledon in 68, they were almost 30 and 34. Then Laver won everything the next year at almost 31 and then over 31 in 69.

Rosewall gets the USO in 70 then follows immediately in 71 with the AO. Although Rosewall was 36 when he won the AO.

That time was unique, I think. Pros taking advantage of being able to play against former amateurs. Was that a weak era? Or a normal era with a few players who were just far above the rest?

It seems the last few years in tennis have been similar. There have been three immensely talented, hard-working players who left nothing but table scraps for everyone else. I expect this to start to change this year, with almost everything turning upside down in 2017.

 

[Mustard]

Didn't Novak do this in 2011/2012? Wimbledon, US Open, and then Australia in 2012.

And Federer with:

1. 2005 Wimbledon, 2005 US Open, 2006 Australian Open
2. 2006 Wimbledon, 2006 US Open, 2007 Australian Open

Sampras' has already been mentioned.

Nadal's 3 in a row were in the same calendar year of 2010.

 

[Inanimate_object]

None of Djokovic or Nadal's successive 3 victories came after they were 27...

 

[Gary Duane]

And Federer with:

1. 2005 Wimbledon, 2005 US Open, 2006 Australian Open
2. 2006 Wimbledon, 2006 US Open, 2007 Australian Open

I didn't bother with these because they are simply part of the same run. Sampras, on the other hand, has no set of three in a row in the same calendar year. Which you know, of course.

Nadal's 3 in a row were in the same calendar year of 2010.

Which brings up the question: Does it matter?

My personal opinion is no. There is nothing magical about doing it in the same year. It's the athletic feat of the string, so Sampras's set to me is just as valid as Nadal's. However, more than three with just one missing is impressive, such as the two years in a row that Fed won everything but the FO.

 

[Gary Duane]

None of Djokovic or Nadal's successive 3 victories came after they were 27...

Laver is the only one who had 3 or more after that age, when he got the CYGS.

 

[Russeljones]

In men's tennis there are only two players who won the CYGS, Budge and Laver. Budge won 6 in a row, so he had the non calendar year grand slam also.

Laver won his first in 1962, at age 23-24. He won his second in 1969 at age 30-31.

No one else has won three slams in a row over the age of 27. Roy Emerson did it in 1964. His birthday is Nov. 3 1936, so he won the last slam before his 28th birthday.

Fed did it the first time at age 23. He turned 26 after the USO when he won three in a row the third time.

Everyone else won three slams between age 22 and 25. Connors was the youngest. He turned 22 at the USO, I believe.

The only player to win three in a row but never in the same year was Sampras. He won Wimbledon, the USO and then the AO.

Laver's second slam is an outlier because of the weak competition he had in open tennis. The other pros he formerly toured with were all considerably older, with Rosewall being the closest at almost 4 years older. I do not believe we will see another player aged 30 or over win even three slams in the same year.

After examining the records I think that Novak is highly unlikely to win 3 slams this year, but he has a chance. It is reasonable to say that he has to do it this year.

But Nadal is the best.

On a serious note, I can't see Djokovic winning more than two.

 

[Gary Duane]

But Nadal is the best.

On a serious note, I can't see Djokovic winning more than two.

History is against him.

Most people are trying to deny that there is a window in which male tennis players have to get it done, and Novak is on the edge of it. If he can do it, I just about HAS to be this year, I think.

Usually players have only one magic year. Fed had three, but Nadal stood in his way each time at the FO.

Then Novak had his chance in 2011, but this time Federer knocked him out before Nadal took out Fed for the 4th time.

In some ways I do think all three of these guys have been very unlucky to have to all play at the same time, at least in terms of getting a grand slam.

 

[jg153040]

The last male player to win the first 2 majors of the year was Jim Courier in 1992, so some time ago.

It is only because of one player that people can't win AO+FO double the last 10 years. And that is Nadal.

Otherwise Djoker and Fed would have done it easily.

Ironically while Rafa is great at preventing others to win that double he wasn't able to win that double himself.

 

[mike danny]

History is against him.

Most people are trying to deny that there is a window in which male tennis players have to get it done, and Novak is on the edge of it. If he can do it, I just about HAS to be this year, I think.

Usually players have only one magic year. Fed had three, but Nadal stood in his way each time at the FO.

Then Novak had his chance in 2011, and again Nadal blocked him at the FO.

In some ways I do think all three of these guys have been very unlucky to have to all play at the same time, at least in terms of getting a grand slam.

Say what...?

 

[powerangle]

History is against him.

Most people are trying to deny that there is a window in which male tennis players have to get it done, and Novak is on the edge of it. If he can do it, I just about HAS to be this year, I think.

Usually players have only one magic year. Fed had three, but Nadal stood in his way each time at the FO.

Then Novak had his chance in 2011, and again Nadal blocked him at the FO.

In some ways I do think all three of these guys have been very unlucky to have to all play at the same time, at least in terms of getting a grand slam.

Nope, Nadal did not block Novak at the FO in 2011.

 

[Gary Duane]

Say what...?

Yikes, that was the 4th year Nadal took out Fed in the final, and Fed took out Novak.

I can't believe I typed that Nadal took out Novak that year.

Same idea though. Nadal in the end prevented GSs for Fed, then Fed stopped Novak from a chance at that same thing before he even got to the final.

The big point is that any of these players might have gotten a GS if the other two were not around.

 

[Gary Duane]

Nope, Nadal did not block Novak at the FO in 2011.

Corrected. Brain cramp...

 

[smoledman]

Federer broke Nole's heart in 2011.

 

[Gary Duane]

Federer broke Nole's heart in 2011.

That's my point.

These top three players ALL do it to each other. And if that's enough, Murray steps in.

Nadal got knocked out of the 2010 AO by Murray. Otherwise he only had to beat Cilic and then Fed. And he would have had a CYGS.

Even so, he could still have a GS, just not in the same year. But that year Novak was playing out of his mind, Ferrer came out of nowhere and took Nadal out. Novak starts HIS possible GS. But he can't get the FO.

Has there ever been a 10 years period where three different players had a good chance at a CYGS only to be stopped this way? After all, it happened to Fed three times.

 

[Gary Duane]

So #now, #three #grandslams in a #row is the #NEW #ITF-Sanctioned #CYGS?

#UNBELIEVABLE ! #Where do these #people #come #from?

#PTL #JC4Ever

#AngieB​

Who said that?

No one.

Stop trolling.

Where do #your comments #come from?