Grass court tournaments above 250?
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Yeah.But why?
Heard it caused many injuries.
megamind
Legend
what do u mean why
its a short season thats why
not much u can fit in between roland garros and Wimbledon
unless the timing of Wimbledon and RG are reviewed.
Potentially USO timing as well.
Why do I have the feeling that all 4 GS are played when weather conditions are not optimum?
The Blond Blur
G.O.A.T.
Grass just isn't as viable a playing surface.
Grass:
Grass:
Grass just isn't as viable a playing surface.
Grass:
lol, say this to all sports played on grass
The Blond Blur
G.O.A.T.
For tennis obviously. No other sport has the ball bounce as nearly as many times in comparison.
youngpolyhater
Rookie
There should be 2-3 M1000s on grass.
For tennis obviously. No other sport has the ball bounce as nearly as many times in comparison.
what about football? you know, that true version of it, where you actually play with a ball and hit it with your foot?
P.S. known as soccer in some geographic areas
UnderratedSlam
G.O.A.T.
Are you suggesting we have 11-12 M1000s? If not, suggest which M1000s need to be replaced or grassed up.
I doubt most tennis fans have a clue how tough it is to make a dozen courts of high quality on grass. Even the Germans struggled for many years to make Halle a well-bouncing event. The early years were fraught with bad courts. We could easily have 50 very crappy grass events with awful courts, that´s the easy part. Making them good courts for good tennis is the difficult thing.
hello Mr Wisdom.....do you know where the term "football" actually originated from?
please enlighten
skaj
Legend
One for start would be good.
in the good old days,rich people played sport on horseback,hunting,polo.
anything that was played without a horse....on foot with a ball was called football
thats why even rugger can be called football,even if you use your hands!
the soc in soccer is from asSOCiation football
Mainad
Bionic Poster
There are currently just 6 grasscourt ATP events played before or just after Wimbledon: Queen's and Halle are both 500 level events (promoted in 2015), Stuttgart (switched from clay to grass in 2015), Eastbourne, s'Hertogenbosch (Rosmalen) and Newport are all 250 level events. There has been much discussion (as you can see) on introducing a grasscourt Masters and trying to fit it into the very short grasscourt season schedule.
a better discussion would be if the timing of the 4 GS is really optimum or not.
after answering the first question, one can proceed to further evaluation whether limiting grass season to 6 ATP events is fine or not.
as some players can stay within top 100 by simply excelling on clay, while if you excel on grass only, then you'll keep playing challengers.
once the above questions are answered, it's quite easy to decide how many masters shall be there on grass, and how many weeks between RG and Wimbledon would be fine.
Too many hard court M-1000 for that.imo.
coolboarder
Rookie
3 hard court Master, 3 clay Masters, and 3 grass Masters will bring an equality to all surfaces when determining the true #1 at YE. We have 6 hard court Masters and 3 clay Masters, easily scrap one of those 3 and transform into the grass Masters. Which ones? Easily, take out Miami hard court and transform into a grass Masters in March, Shanghai and Paris Masters to become a Halle and Queens Masters. We would have 2 warm-up Masters for each surface bringing us to 6 of warm-ups Masters tournaments leading up to Slams and 3 others would not be related to Slams like Sunshine Doubles and Monte Carlo. I believe that season should end right after Laver Cup or World Tours Final in September.
Start da Game
Hall of Fame
time span of roland garros - us open is just 4
months may - sept......just one slam in 8 months which is the aus open......that needs to be fixed first.......
months may - sept......just one slam in 8 months which is the aus open......that needs to be fixed first.......
victorcruz
Hall of Fame
Even though I know Rafa will never win there, I do want them to put a grass as a master. It's not right, they have a bunch of clay masters, even more hardcourts and even freaking indoor carpet masters. They have a grass as a slam, they need to get their s together and set 1 up. I don't care how hard it is to maintain grass all year. It'll be a 1 week event. Take away paris, they already have a slam.
skaj
Legend
How do you know Rafa will never win there ?
victorcruz
Hall of Fame
Lol well I don't know know. But he is in the twilight of his career. I would have more confidence if a grass master came into existence earlier in his career. He has lost to Djoker and Fed at Wimby the last 2 years. Is he capable of beating them? Yeah maybe sure, especially since he was so damn close in 18, but unless they get knocked out I can't see him winning. They will wanna win there too.
that's a good summary of the wikipedia article.
however, given when the football without a horse happened, and given when immigrants to US departed Europe and their background, and given that in Europe there is a difference between football and rugby, while US uses football and soccer, I am not that convinved in the quality of the given particular Wikipedia article.
Unless you have a source with more authority.
indoor carpet Masters?
did I miss something?
could you name the tournament?
I thought indoor carpet was removed from the tour.
skaj
Legend
Paris ?
skaj
Legend
I can't think of any other.
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
The Mallorca open for men is coming 
JaoSousa
Hall of Fame
I just read under your post that Rafa breadsticked Ivo on carpet. That is soooooooooo epic.The Mallorca open for men is coming
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
It is ironic, I always wished they had simply because I like grass and I like variety, but as a Fed fan I obviously would have wanted this too. But now that I think about it, while it would have definitely boosted Fed's stats early in his career, Djoker would have benefited greatly from this as well.
Terenigma
G.O.A.T.
I've been saying for years that they need to upgrade both Halle and Queens to masters and re-organise the schedule so players can play both events. There are 9 masters, why can't we have 3 on each surface? Or better yet, how about we have 8 masters but we have 2 slow-hard, fast-hard, clay, grass to maximise the variety and get a real feel for who is the best on all surfaces? It sounds really difficult to implement and sure there is going to be some rich tournament owners who won't be downgraded but in my opinion , it would be better for the sport.
The Guru
Legend
Especially in a Djokovic vs. Cilic matchFor tennis obviously. No other sport has the ball bounce as nearly as many times in comparison.
Especially in a Djokovic vs. Cilic match
or Wimbledon, where the average rally was below 4 shots if I remember well
JaoSousa
Hall of Fame
Wait no i was actually being serious.It really is, despite your sarcasm
For ultimate pure tennis-- rearranging the schedule to create a dedicated off season then equally spread out the slams and insert appropriate masters before each slams sounds great. But I don't think it will happen anytime soon. I think by tradition, summer time available and corporate pressure, it would be tough to move any of the slams.
I think AO is stuck wanting to be available during their summer and to push it further into Feb would hurt local attendance. So if you have to keep AO where it is, then you would have to have the slow court Masters somewhere between Late Nov and early January. This would have to push back all the fall events, or get rid of them. Push the ATP Finals into October? Get an off season from Mid October-Mid November. Seems too short.
Not sure how much earlier you can play Roland Garros due to weather. Temps could be too cold and even more rain if we pull it to late April.
US Open wants to be around labor day, and if you start the tourney at Labor Day, you might harm attendance as the summer is ending and kids are back in school.
Maybe there would be some flexibility to push wimby another week?
Let me add, in an effort to get more grass events, would turf ever be a legitimate compromise to have more grass like tournaments available? I could see a short turf season before Roland Garros (make MIami turf)? Or have some turf events after wimby
I think AO is stuck wanting to be available during their summer and to push it further into Feb would hurt local attendance. So if you have to keep AO where it is, then you would have to have the slow court Masters somewhere between Late Nov and early January. This would have to push back all the fall events, or get rid of them. Push the ATP Finals into October? Get an off season from Mid October-Mid November. Seems too short.
Not sure how much earlier you can play Roland Garros due to weather. Temps could be too cold and even more rain if we pull it to late April.
US Open wants to be around labor day, and if you start the tourney at Labor Day, you might harm attendance as the summer is ending and kids are back in school.
Maybe there would be some flexibility to push wimby another week?
Let me add, in an effort to get more grass events, would turf ever be a legitimate compromise to have more grass like tournaments available? I could see a short turf season before Roland Garros (make MIami turf)? Or have some turf events after wimby
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
Maybe when the big 3 all retire and the race is officially over. I mean it is not like there will be much left anyways. It will need a much needed boost.
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