Grip size: Considering switch to follow the "Rule of Thumb"?

HI all, as someone who restarted tennis lat July, I have been struggling with multiple issues with my strokes, and am actively trying to correct my form. Also trying to find the right racquet to learn with. I met with Roman Prokes at his pro shop today, and he said that my correct grip size according to the "one finger width between your fingertips and the pads of your palm" rule, I should be using a 4 1/8" grip. I'm used to a 4 3/8. While I know that grip sizes end up being pretty personal to each individual, I'm considering giving at least a 4 1/4, if not a 1/8, a shot, just to see if there are any benefits for me to reap in terms of manueverability, and hopefully feeling more natural in my hand. Do you guys believe that there are any benefits to going with the prescribed fit? Is this worth exploring?
 
I think it's supposed to be from the tip of the ring finger to your lower palm crease. Here's a pic of my measurement (hope the hosting works)...
PXL_20210422_215656757.jpg
 

TagUrIt

Hall of Fame
It definitely comes down to personal preference, also do you use an overgrip? I used to play with a 4 1/2 and I went down to a 4 3/8 and it's done wonders for my game. So much more easier to generate topspin and swing the racquet. I play with an overgrip btw, which adds size to your overgrip anyway.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
In the TW pic, the measuring tape is covering the middle finger, but that's because it's not measuring the middle finger, it's sitting next to the ring finger so that you can see it clearly and compare it to the tape.

OK so does your size come out the same way in both methods?
 

golden chicken

Hall of Fame
I'm 5'8, I wear medium sized gloves, and I play with a 4 5/8 plus overgrip. One finger method says I should play with a 4 1/2. I can play happily with 4 3/8 up to 4 5/8, but I prefer 4 5/8.

So...all that to say try and see how it feels to you. You may prefer more stability or you may prefer more freedom of movement.
 
I'm 5'8, I wear medium sized gloves, and I play with a 4 5/8 plus overgrip. One finger method says I should play with a 4 1/2. I can play happily with 4 3/8 up to 4 5/8, but I prefer 4 5/8.

So...all that to say try and see how it feels to you. You may prefer more stability or you may prefer more freedom of movement.
Must be nice, big hands man! Do you play guitar?
 
Quick question, do you check the index finger method when holding continental grip, or is it supposed to be true no matter how you hold it? I'm seeing a narrower gap if I hold it continental. My forehand grip is semi-western, and that's how I showed it to Roman.
 

Rosstour

G.O.A.T.
I always love the feel of racquets with handles that are 'too big'. I play really well with them until it's time to serve and hit OHs.
 

tonylg

Legend
I generally say play with what feels comfortable. I've always done that and now play with 4.5 and two overgrips, because larger grips are just not available on the Australian market.

I think it's supposed to be from the tip of the ring finger to your lower palm crease. Here's a pic of my measurement (hope the hosting works)...
PXL_20210422_215656757.jpg

Never seen this method before, always just observed the gap when holding a racquet. I just did the experiment above and measured 4 7/8 inches. Looks like I need another overgrip :-D

So I go back to the original thinking, play with what feels best. Must be nice to just walk into a shop and talk to Roman Prokes though. I wouldn't ignore whatever advice he is giving.
 
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golden chicken

Hall of Fame
Quick question, do you check the index finger method when holding continental grip, or is it supposed to be true no matter how you hold it? I'm seeing a narrower gap if I hold it continental. My forehand grip is semi-western, and that's how I showed it to Roman.

Eastern forehand.

I don't play any instruments. And I really don't have big hands. They're literally medium. Medium latex gloves, medium mechanix gloves, medium motorcycle gloves.
 
OK so does your size come out the same way in both methods?
I would say roughly yes? With a 4 1/4 my index finger fits in between the fingers and my palm, but touching a little. My palm crease is a little slanty as you can see in the picture, so it looks like it could be anything from 4 1/8 to 4 1/4. 4 3/8 looks "too large" from the measuring method, pretty clearly, I think.
 

Bagumbawalla

G.O.A.T.
I have "medium sized" hands and use a 4 3/8, plus overgrip.
So, if your hands are "small", then 4 1/4 is not out of the question.
In the end, sort of like shoes, nobody here can say what fits your foot
of feels right in your hand. Get some demos and see what happens.
 

RyanRF

Professional
I've always found the various measuring methods to be a bit quirky.

The vast majority of pro men use 4 3/8
Nadal is a pretty big guy and uses 4 1/4, which sounds crazy to me

My guess is that 4 1/4 is good for a guy with smaller hands. Really you just have to try it out and see what you like. The wrong grip size will either tire out your hand or feel difficult to hold securely.
 
Based on that photo, I would take the advice given. Your hand is small. A 4 1/8 is probably going to feel comfortable to you.
Right now, 4 1/4 feels thin, and after some hitting, my handsl and forearm are feeling sore. I'm just not used to it. However, when going back to my main racquet, a modern Head at 4 3/8, it now feels kind of fat. I may go down to 4 1/4 and put a thicker overgrip on, or go with thinner grips on my 4 3/8. We shall see how I deal with this moving forward.
 

golden chicken

Hall of Fame
If you own a Head racket in L3, just buy an L2 pallet and keep your racket. Then you can experiment between the two sizes and you don't have to buy a new racket.
 

fuzz nation

G.O.A.T.
Right now, 4 1/4 feels thin, and after some hitting, my handsl and forearm are feeling sore. I'm just not used to it. However, when going back to my main racquet, a modern Head at 4 3/8, it now feels kind of fat. I may go down to 4 1/4 and put a thicker overgrip on, or go with thinner grips on my 4 3/8. We shall see how I deal with this moving forward.
I'm not going to dismiss your issues with grip sizes - any issue with gear that becomes a distraction is a significant problem. If you think that a thinner grip on your 4 3/8" handle will fit you okay, maybe try to stick with that for a while and see how you settle in. Lots of variables at work here.

Not sure whether you're switching among racquets from the same brand or not, but different companies have their own particular grip shapes/profiles. Every Prince racquet I've ever used has always felt like the grip was smaller to me than the same size from let's say Wilson or Yonex. So a 4 3/8" from one company could feel about the same as a 4 1/4" from another.

Everybody has their own personal normal. One pair of racquets I use have 4 5/8" handles with heat shrink sleeves added on along with a replacement grip and an overgrip on top of that. They work great for me because I've used a 4 5/8" handle forever. And I'm a bass player, but I stick to 4-strings.

Forearm soreness can come from a few different directions. If a racquet doesn't have the same balance as the one that's your regular player, that can trick you into using too active of a wrist/forearm to leverage the strings to the ball - usually the case if that different frame is less head-light than your normal racquet. And if the handle is so small that you need to use extra gripping pressure to stabilize the racquet for some shots, that can be stressful, too.

If the strings in a racquet are too stiff for a particular player - yes, polys - that can also potentially bring on all sorts of irritation or even some injury. That's another topic though.

Even if you have the right handle size, one issue that can lead to extra stress from gripping too hard can be not having enough of a flare down at the butt cap. Without enough of that bump at the bottom of the handle, that can trick us into holding on much more tightly than is necessary to keep the racquet from slipping when we want to take a full cut at the ball. I ran into this issue myself a few years ago and it was a big relief when I added an extra layer or two of overgrip to build up that flare by just a little bit.
 
I'm not going to dismiss your issues with grip sizes - any issue with gear that becomes a distraction is a significant problem. If you think that a thinner grip on your 4 3/8" handle will fit you okay, maybe try to stick with that for a while and see how you settle in. Lots of variables at work here.

Not sure whether you're switching among racquets from the same brand or not, but different companies have their own particular grip shapes/profiles. Every Prince racquet I've ever used has always felt like the grip was smaller to me than the same size from let's say Wilson or Yonex. So a 4 3/8" from one company could feel about the same as a 4 1/4" from another.

Everybody has their own personal normal. One pair of racquets I use have 4 5/8" handles with heat shrink sleeves added on along with a replacement grip and an overgrip on top of that. They work great for me because I've used a 4 5/8" handle forever. And I'm a bass player, but I stick to 4-strings.

Forearm soreness can come from a few different directions. If a racquet doesn't have the same balance as the one that's your regular player, that can trick you into using too active of a wrist/forearm to leverage the strings to the ball - usually the case if that different frame is less head-light than your normal racquet. And if the handle is so small that you need to use extra gripping pressure to stabilize the racquet for some shots, that can be stressful, too.

If the strings in a racquet are too stiff for a particular player - yes, polys - that can also potentially bring on all sorts of irritation or even some injury. That's another topic though.

Even if you have the right handle size, one issue that can lead to extra stress from gripping too hard can be not having enough of a flare down at the butt cap. Without enough of that bump at the bottom of the handle, that can trick us into holding on much more tightly than is necessary to keep the racquet from slipping when we want to take a full cut at the ball. I ran into this issue myself a few years ago and it was a big relief when I added an extra layer or two of overgrip to build up that flare by just a little bit.
Yes, actually, very apt. The 4 1/4 grips are on Yonex racquets, whose 4 3/8 grips felt especially fat to me. I've thought about replacing the grip on my Head Radical (primary racquet) since I own 3, so will always have a backup, just to see.
 

vex

Legend
HI all, as someone who restarted tennis lat July, I have been struggling with multiple issues with my strokes, and am actively trying to correct my form. Also trying to find the right racquet to learn with. I met with Roman Prokes at his pro shop today, and he said that my correct grip size according to the "one finger width between your fingertips and the pads of your palm" rule, I should be using a 4 1/8" grip. I'm used to a 4 3/8. While I know that grip sizes end up being pretty personal to each individual, I'm considering giving at least a 4 1/4, if not a 1/8, a shot, just to see if there are any benefits for me to reap in terms of manueverability, and hopefully feeling more natural in my hand. Do you guys believe that there are any benefits to going with the prescribed fit? Is this worth exploring?
If you can handle it, absolutely go for 1/8, your topspin serves will thank you
 

golden chicken

Hall of Fame
 

Fxanimator1

Hall of Fame
Right now, 4 1/4 feels thin, and after some hitting, my handsl and forearm are feeling sore. I'm just not used to it. However, when going back to my main racquet, a modern Head at 4 3/8, it now feels kind of fat. I may go down to 4 1/4 and put a thicker overgrip on, or go with thinner grips on my 4 3/8. We shall see how I deal with this moving forward.

If you add and overgrip 4 1/8 will probably feel just right.
My wife was using a 4 1/4 and adding an overgrip, but that was getting it to near 4 3/8, so she changed to 4 1/8 and of course the added overgrip, which she says feels really good.
All of this only really matters because her hand and your hand are basically the same size, although she’s using a Wilson Pro Staff.
 
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Deleted member 776614

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I would absolutely listen to Roman. If anything, the modern trend is to go smaller than the old “rule of thumb.” I think the “rule of thumb” is safe from a health standpoint, maybe less performance than a slightly smaller grip depending on the (modern) player. Using a grip that’s too big can cause just as many health problems as using one that’s too small. Your hands don’t naturally spread out when you’re relaxed, which means that something (muscle) has to be in tension to hold a grip that’s bigger than your hand in relaxed state.
 

Dartagnan64

G.O.A.T.
I think it's supposed to be from the tip of the ring finger to your lower palm crease. Here's a pic of my measurement (hope the hosting works)...
PXL_20210422_215656757.jpg

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I get 4 1/2 inches with this method. I usually use 4 3/8 with 2 overgrips or 4 1/2 with one overgrip. My wife has the measurement shown in the photo above. She uses a 4 1/4 with one overgrip.
 

ngoster

Semi-Pro
I'm 5'5" and wear medium gloves. I think grip size comes down to personal preference and comfort also. I "grew up" playing with 4 1/2, have gone down to 4 3/8 but gravitated back to 4 1/2 just because it felt better to me. My grip is relaxed to the point that I can open up my middle, ring and pinky fingers on the swing without feeling like slippage or instability.
 
I'm 5'5" and wear medium gloves. I think grip size comes down to personal preference and comfort also. I "grew up" playing with 4 1/2, have gone down to 4 3/8 but gravitated back to 4 1/2 just because it felt better to me. My grip is relaxed to the point that I can open up my middle, ring and pinky fingers on the swing without feeling like slippage or instability.
What is your forehand form like? I hear forehand grip and swing style tend to factor into what grip sizes people end up preferring.
 
So what size did you settle on?
Well, I simply can't find an L1 to demo with so far, so right now, I'm messing with my eZone with only a thick replacement grip (Babolat Comfort) and playing with my Head Radical Pros at L3 without overgrip. After some adjustment where my hands felt like they were cramping, both options feel pretty familiar. Perhaps L2 at a regular thickness might feel even better if I get used to it... and maybe even L1 with overgrip?? (I can only imagine, but it sounds crazy right now) but I need the time to settle into them. Currently, I'm trawling online for used racquets that have an L1 grip just to try, or may order an L1 Head pallet.
 
I know you didn't address me, but I can hit a forehand with anything from Continental to Western, though I prefer Eastern.
That kinda fits with the idea that the more classical swing styles (I'm assuming, since you can hit it with a continental) fits with larger handles, whereas new whippier forehands benefit from thinner grips.
 

golden chicken

Hall of Fame
That kinda fits with the idea that the more classical swing styles (I'm assuming, since you can hit it with a continental) fits with larger handles, whereas new whippier forehands benefit from thinner grips.

In a way, yes, but I personally don't find any extra spin using one of the more extreme grips and a smaller handle racket.

That said, I admit that I may have suboptimal SW and W forehand technique. Just because I can hit with them, doesn't mean they are as refined as my base strokes.
 

ngoster

Semi-Pro
What is your forehand form like? I hear forehand grip and swing style tend to factor into what grip sizes people end up preferring.
My swing is generally flat with an eastern grip but I'll go semi-western for higher balls or if I want to generate a more exaggerated spin.
 
Welp, just found a demo racquet: Vcore 100L in a 1/8. Just holding it in my hand, it feels kinda OK actually, but dying to see how it feels when I actually try to hit a ball with it. Still in the camp of going with 1/4, but this will be interesting. Especially if a thinner grip helps me with the wrist snap part of the serve, and with the windshield wiper motion of my forehand.
 
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