Has a mach referee ever overturned an umpire's decision?

sredna42

Hall of Fame
You see it all the time, bad call by chair umpire, player freaks out, umpire won't back down, player calls for match referee, referee shrugs and says they can't do anything.

So just wondering, does anyone know of an instance where the match referee came out, heard both sides, and then actually overturned the chair umpire's decision?

I can't remember it ever having happened.
 

sredna42

Hall of Fame
What about 79 USO, Mac vs Nastase? I wish there was a full version of this match out there...

From John McEnroe‘s autobiography, Serious:

In the second round at the 1979 US Open, I faced Ilie Nastase. Nasty, who had won the tournament in 1972, was thirty-three and long past his prime, but he hadn’t mellowed with age – if anything, he was crazier than ever. And the big New York crowd at the Open always got him going.

Our night match drew a big crowd, eager to see Super Brat face down the aging enfant terrible of tennis. Frank Hammond was officiating the match. Of all the umpires out there, Frank – fat, bald, and dark-mustached, with a deep voice and a no-nonsense manner – was one of the few I liked. I always thought of him as a player’s umpire: he knew everyone by name, he treated you like a person.
Frank was known as an umpire who could control the crowd and the players in a difficult match, but that night he didn’t have a chance. There was a lot of drinking going on in the stands, and Nasty was on his worst behavior – stalling, arguing, cursing the officials, and generally trying to provoke me into going off the rails. Remarkably – and all too unusually – I kept it together. By the third set, Frank had had it: he lost his composure and ranted away at Nasty, docking him a penalty point. The crowd decided then and there that Frank couldn’t do anything right.

I was rattled myself, but then, at one set all and down a break, I began to pull it together, and won the third set 6-3. I was serving at 2-1, 15-love in the fourth set, when Nasty began arguing about another line call. He sat down in a linesman’s chair and refused to play. Frank literally begged him to go on, but Nasty wouldn’t stand up. It was clear that Nastase knew he was going to lose, and was simply looking to prolong everyone’s agony. ‘Game penalty, Nastase‘, Frank said. ‘McEnroe leads, three games to one‘.
Nasty stood up from the chair with his hands on his hips, screaming such vile obscenities at Frank that Frank, after further pleading, defaulted him. Now the crowd really went nuts, thowing paper cups and beer cans onto the court.

Mike Blanchard, the tournament referee, then came onto the court, and talked with Nasty and me. Figuring I was going to win anyway, and wanting to avoid a riot, I agreed to play on. Blanchard told the crowd that if things didn’t quiet down, the match would be discontinued.
Still, as soon as Frank tried to start play again, the crowd started chanting ‘Two to one, two to one‘ – the score before the game penalty. The chanting got louder and louder. I had never seen such pandemonium in a tennis match, and never would again, even in our wildest South American Davis Cup ties. Finally, Bill Talbert, the tournament director, decided to take Frank out of the match and put Blanchard in the chair. I felt terrible for Frank as he climbed down and walked off the court, the crowd pelting him with garbage. He had lost all credibility. What I found out only later was that the match had essentially destroyed his career. When the ATP decided to hire a group of full-time traveling officials, they didn’t choose Frank.

Once Frank was out off the court, I knew the air had gone out of Nasty, and ran out the rest of the match easily. Even the crowd seemed spent now. It was finally over at twelve thirty in the morning. Afte the match, I was somewhat astonished when Nastase came up to me and said ‘Hey, let’s go to dinner‘. Here was another lesson: business and pleasure must always be separated. ‘Sure‘, I said.

So it happened once. In 1979. LOL
That doesn't seem like a simple clarification and overturn of a decision though, more like riot control.
I was watching this, and it made me wonder just what the referee is even there for if they cannot overturn an umpire's decision.
Wawrinka explains himself clearly, even the commentators agree, he demands the referee come out, and the referee is useless.
I can't recall a situation ever where the referee has done anything other than brush the donut crumbs off their shirt quickly, then wobble out to say "sorry, can't help you"
 

Moose Malloy

G.O.A.T.
Happened this year at Wimbledon. hsieh got hosed by the umpire deciding to give a point to cibulkova when it should have been replayed. Ref came out, there was a long discussion and surprisingly they did replay the point. Cibulkova was not pleased and complained about it afterward which made her look pretty bad(even made uncomfortable remarks about the umpire speaking to hsieh in Chinese) There were posts about it here, and articles. Google it. I've seen it happen several times in the 70s/80s as well, a lot of umpires back then were pretty bad.
 

Mr.Lob

G.O.A.T.
Players generally call for the tournament referee to show up the chair umpire, to save face, disrupt opponents rhythm... many other childish reasons.
 

Fiero425

Legend
You had more and more stars that were pretty much out of control at times; McEnroe at the top of the list as far as I'm concern! Notwithstanding his sympathy for Frank way back when, it didn't deter him from having some of the most memorable tirades ever known to tennis! He was finally kicked out the Aussie Open back in '90! The tournament referee just happened to be out there at the time when McEnroe flipped out; a change in the rule had taken away one of his warnings! He wasn't aware of the rules change and most think he was tossed by Ferrer; more having to do with his time had run out and after initial warning, then a point penalty for busting a racket before he was arguing and intimidating a linesman and disqualified! I can still see him standing there looking like an idiot with all that zinc oxide on his face! :rolleyes: :p ;)
 

The Green Mile

Bionic Poster
You had more and more stars that were pretty much out of control at times; McEnroe at the top of the list as far as I'm concern! Notwithstanding his sympathy for Frank way back when, it didn't deter him from having some of the most memorable tirades ever known to tennis! He was finally kicked out the Aussie Open back in '90! The tournament referee just happened to be out there at the time when McEnroe flipped out; a change in the rule had taken away one of his warnings! He wasn't aware of the rules change and most think he was tossed by Ferrer; more having to do with his time had run out and after initial warning, then a point penalty for busting a racket before he was arguing and intimidating a linesman and disqualified! I can still see him standing there looking like an idiot with all that zinc oxide on his face! :rolleyes: :p ;)
Yep, I've seen Mac intimidate Umpires and manage to get them to go back on their initial decisions lol, and I didn't even live through the Mac era. Imagine the absolute outrage today....
 

Moose Malloy

G.O.A.T.
Yep, I've seen Mac intimidate Umpires and manage to get them to go back on their initial decisions lol, and I didn't even live through the Mac era. Imagine the absolute outrage today....

Well, he was often right in his arguments. There weren't many touring umpires until the mid 80s. many umpires were local officials who didn't really know the rules all that well. Back in the day umpires at Wimbledon were british guys(who commentators often would point out served in WWII) who worked Wimbledon and queens and didn't work any other events all year. I believe the first year atp umpires were allowed to work at Wimbledon was 1987 or 1988. Borg and Vilas and many others have called officials in the 70s 'amateurish.'

Imagine the outrage today if a player hit an ace, linesman called the ball out, umpire overruled(you can replace this with the challenge system) but they didn't give the player the point and said "play a let" instead. And this happened in a Wimbledon semifinal! Mac rightfully says it should be his point and everyone in the country acts like he's the worst person on the planet. Players today are lucky that guys like Mac challenged this nonsense. I've seen Martina, BJ King also challenge poor rulings, but they just gave up quickly while Mac did not. If he hadn't, who knows how long the amateur officiating would have lasted into the era where the game was supppsed to be professional. I've seen laver and Borg deal with this by just giving a long look at the umpire. Yeah They were great sports but at some point players needed to stand up to subpar officiating.
 

True Fanerer

G.O.A.T.
Well, he was often right in his arguments. There weren't many touring umpires until the mid 80s. many umpires were local officials who didn't really know the rules all that well. Back in the day umpires at Wimbledon were british guys(who commentators often would point out served in WWII) who worked Wimbledon and queens and didn't work any other events all year. I believe the first year atp umpires were allowed to work at Wimbledon was 1987 or 1988. Borg and Vilas and many others have called officials in the 70s 'amateurish.'

Imagine the outrage today if a player hit an ace, linesman called the ball out, umpire overruled(you can replace this with the challenge system) but they didn't give the player the point and said "play a let" instead. And this happened in a Wimbledon semifinal! Mac rightfully says it should be his point and everyone in the country acts like he's the worst person on the planet. Players today are lucky that guys like Mac challenged this nonsense. I've seen Martina, BJ King also challenge poor rulings, but they just gave up quickly while Mac did not. If he hadn't, who knows how long the amateur officiating would have lasted into the era where the game was supppsed to be professional. I've seen laver and Borg deal with this by just giving a long look at the umpire. Yeah They were great sports but at some point players needed to stand up to subpar officiating.
Learned something new today.
 
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Well, he was often right in his arguments. There weren't many touring umpires until the mid 80s. many umpires were local officials who didn't really know the rules all that well. Back in the day umpires at Wimbledon were british guys(who commentators often would point out served in WWII) who worked Wimbledon and queens and didn't work any other events all year. I believe the first year atp umpires were allowed to work at Wimbledon was 1987 or 1988. Borg and Vilas and many others have called officials in the 70s 'amateurish.'

Imagine the outrage today if a player hit an ace, linesman called the ball out, umpire overruled(you can replace this with the challenge system) but they didn't give the player the point and said "play a let" instead. And this happened in a Wimbledon semifinal! Mac rightfully says it should be his point and everyone in the country acts like he's the worst person on the planet. Players today are lucky that guys like Mac challenged this nonsense. I've seen Martina, BJ King also challenge poor rulings, but they just gave up quickly while Mac did not. If he hadn't, who knows how long the amateur officiating would have lasted into the era where the game was supppsed to be professional. I've seen laver and Borg deal with this by just giving a long look at the umpire. Yeah They were great sports but at some point players needed to stand up to subpar officiating.

Awesome post.

Nice to have such a well written alternative perspective on the Mac.
 
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