Kohlschreiber-Robredo call dispute (no spoiler)

[gully]

Anybody watch the long dispute here? What happened is this: Robredo hits a shot a few inches over the baseline, called out, which Kohlschreiber does not attempt to return. Umpire Armstrong leaves his chair, inspects the mark, and overrules. But PK shows him the mark, which is clearly out (by more than an inch), and Armstrong reverses his call to good.

Robredo protests, saying the umpire cannot change his call based on a player appeal. Armstrong invites Robredo to cross the net and inspect the mark, which Robredo does not do. The tournament supervisor is called, and despite Armstrong acknowledging he initially blew the call, he sides with Robredo.

Now Kohlschreiber protests, reminding Armstrong that the original call was "out." Kohlschreiber was not appealing the call. Armstrong calls the supervisor again, who declares they must replay the point. Neither player is satisfied with the decision, but both accept it.

I really thought Kohlschreiber got jobbed, especially since everyone--he, the linesperson, Armstrong, the supervisor, and even probably Robredo--knew the ball was out. And yes, it was indeed an important point.

 

[WillAlwaysLoveYouTennis]

Anybody watch the long dispute here? What happened is this: Robredo hits a shot a few inches over the baseline, called out, which Kohlschreiber does not attempt to return. Umpire Armstrong leaves his chair, inspects the mark, and overrules. But PK shows him the mark, which is clearly out (by more than an inch), and Armstrong reverses his call to good.

Robredo protests, saying the umpire cannot change his call based on a player appeal. Armstrong invites Robredo to cross the net and inspect the mark, which Robredo does not do. The tournament supervisor is called, and despite Armstrong acknowledging he initially blew the call, he sides with Robredo.

Now Kohlschreiber protests, reminding Armstrong that the original call was "out." Kohlschreiber was not appealing the call. Armstrong calls the supervisor again, who declares they must replay the point. Neither player is satisfied with the decision, but both accept it.

I really thought Kohlschreiber got jobbed, especially since everyone--he, the linesperson, Armstrong, the supervisor, and even probably Robredo--knew the ball was out. And yes, it was indeed an important point.

Yes, no spoiler, but likely that someone who isn't paying much attention as to what they are posting will give the results away in the thread. And especially as the matches are show again in evening USA/North and South America times, someone is going to eventually give it away here.

 

[NoBadMojo]

Anybody watch the long dispute here? What happened is this: Robredo hits a shot a few inches over the baseline, called out, which Kohlschreiber does not attempt to return. Umpire Armstrong leaves his chair, inspects the mark, and overrules. But PK shows him the mark, which is clearly out (by more than an inch), and Armstrong reverses his call to good.

Robredo protests, saying the umpire cannot change his call based on a player appeal. Armstrong invites Robredo to cross the net and inspect the mark, which Robredo does not do. The tournament supervisor is called, and despite Armstrong acknowledging he initially blew the call, he sides with Robredo.

Now Kohlschreiber protests, reminding Armstrong that the original call was "out." Kohlschreiber was not appealing the call. Armstrong calls the supervisor again, who declares they must replay the point. Neither player is satisfied with the decision, but both accept it.

I really thought Kohlschreiber got jobbed, especially since everyone--he, the linesperson, Armstrong, the supervisor, and even probably Robredo--knew the ball was out. And yes, it was indeed an important point.

I agree..that was a horrible bit of umpiring from Armstrong. PK should have requested he be removed from the chair. The shotspot type replay confirmed the ball was out by a good inch or more as you said. Important point? Indeed... it was a game point for PK and he ended up losing the game

 

[zagor]

Umpire screwed big time here,Robredo was doing what most players would if they were in his situation-down a set and facing a BP so he is not the one to blame IMO.

 

[skip1969]

armstrong is an experienced ref, anybody can make a mistake. what compounded the situation was not that he made the in call and then (upon further review) reversed himself . . . it was that even after admitting to robredo that the original call was in fact correct and that HE had overruled too quickly . . . robredo cornered him into accepting the incorrect call. now THAT was bogus.

i know it was a big point and whatnot, but robredo could have at least played a let (considering he should have lost the game to begin with). maybe he didn't think anyone would realize what he was getting up to (since they were speaking in english so maybe the german fans might not understand exactly what was up). but they were miked for tv, and so the tv audience could understand. i thought it was a crappy thing to do.

barnes, the tournament ref makes armstrong stick to his orignal call (knowing that is was the wrong one). and then kolhschreiber makes the valid argument that the "out" call was what stopped him from playing his shot so a let should be played. armstrong makes barnes aware of this key fact and asks for the replay, which he grants. and then robredo has the GALL to complain that HE'S getting hosed by playing a let!! of course he knew his shot was long to begin with, and that he was trying to get away with one. so for him to complain was a joke.

people on this board always rag on the players for gamesmanship and injury time outs and retirements . . . even without knowing all the details. but this was a clear case of a player trying to cheat. i'm betting that if it wasn't a break point and he wasn't already down a set, robredo would not have done what he did. which makes him pretty shady in my book.

 

[Buchhalter]

What Robredo did was say nothing, to protect his interest. He remained silent to benifit, which could be construed as cheating. Roddick, Rafter, and others have given points to thier opponents, despite the importance of the point, when they knew they were benifiting from a bum call.

To say Robredo did his job is one thing, but to say he did it with honour is completely different. No wonder Gisela Dulko dumped him.

 

[WBF]

It disgusts me when players pull the crap like Robredo does here. How unprofessional and slimy can you get. Reminds me of the sorts of *******s who try to sell getting hit by a pitch in baseball, or fouls in soccer and so forth.

 

[gully]

I agree that Robredo essentially stole the point. He declined the opportunity to look at the mark, which would have confirmed that it was clearly out. His appeal that the umpire cannot change based on an appeal was a ruse; unfortunately, Armstrong fell for it, the supervisor was a dupe, and Kohlschreiber was helpless.

I do not condone or excuse Robredo here. He's simply trying to take a point he didn't earn. A lot of players wouldn't do that.

 

[leonidas1982]

lacks integrity.

 

[scineram]

Yes, it was and is totally ****ed up.

 

[scineram]

His appeal that the umpire cannot change based on an appeal was a ruse; unfortunately, Armstrong fell for it, the supervisor was a dupe, and Kohlschreiber was helpless.

Why do you say it was a ruse? Is it not the rule?

 

[leonidas1982]

if won were to win after such a dubious outcome, could one be pleased with himself?

 

[leonidas1982]

there should be thunderous boos, if tommy were to win.

 

[Frodo Baggins]

How Dare You Speak That Way Bout my Bf.. Shame,Shame... Look If They Show It Today .. I'll Let Ya Know!!!!(By The Way What Happined To Shot spot???)

 

[NoBadMojo]

I agree that Robredo essentially stole the point. He declined the opportunity to look at the mark, which would have confirmed that it was clearly out. His appeal that the umpire cannot change based on an appeal was a ruse; unfortunately, Armstrong fell for it, the supervisor was a dupe, and Kohlschreiber was helpless.

I do not condone or excuse Robredo here. He's simply trying to take a point he didn't earn. A lot of players wouldn't do that.

i dont think Armstrong should have invited Robredo to check the mark...i think he was hoping he would, see the ball was out, and reverse the call taking Armstrong off the hook. so that's another way Armstrong used poor judgment, to put pressure on Robredo and make him into the heavy when he is the one screwong up. you really cant see the opponents baseline and pick a mark with any accuracy almost all of the time....

 

[Jon Rudy]

Robredo's playing for a check at the end of the day, but man, that does seem kind of low.

By the way, did anybody see the Karlovic-Starace match in Rome last week? Starace hit a serve that was called out, and Karlovic returned it into the net. The umpire came out of his chair, checked the mark and said the ball was good. But then he gave the point to Starace because Karlovic netted the return, even though he did so while a linesperson was yelling "Out!" I think it was deuce, and on a second serve, so it would've given Karlovic a break point opportunity.

I don't think Starace said anything.

 

[Rob_C]

Robredo's playing for a check at the end of the day, but man, that does seem kind of low.

By the way, did anybody see the Karlovic-Starace match in Rome last week? Starace hit a serve that was called out, and Karlovic returned it into the net. The umpire came out of his chair, checked the mark and said the ball was good. But then he gave the point to Starace because Karlovic netted the return, even though he did so while a linesperson was yelling "Out!" I think it was deuce, and on a second serve, so it would've given Karlovic a break point opportunity.

I don't think Starace said anything.

The "reasoning" behind that call was that Graff said that he thought the out call had come a split second after Karlovic had missed the return, therefore it had no bearing on him missing the shot.

What will probably happen at the French this year, or the big clay court tourneys next year is that they'll probably start using Shot Spot, to prevent situations like this since the technology is already there and being used.

IMO, Robredo was just like Capriati when she took that call against Serena knowing full well that they should have lost the point. Robredo will probably lose some respect in the locker room for that.

I also think that was a bad decision by Tom Barnes because it was on a clay court where there is acceptable evidence of where the ball landed.

It was also a bad decision by Armstrong to overrule the call. He should have waited for Robredo to ask him to look at the mark.

 

[skip1969]

i dont think Armstrong should have invited Robredo to check the mark...i think he was hoping he would, see the ball was out, and reverse the call taking Armstrong off the hook. so that's another way Armstrong used poor judgment, to put pressure on Robredo and make him into the heavy when he is the one screwong up.

i disagree. armstrong was confessing to robredo that he had made the call to quickly. he said it repeatedly, in fact. but that the ball was out. so he asked robredo to go look for himself. even the guys on tennis channel wondered why robredo didn't take the opportunity since under normal circumstances you have to just take the umpire's word that he checked the right mark, etc.

the reason robredo didn't go look was obvious! if he had, and seen the out mark (he knew the ball was out to begin with) . . . then how on EARTH could he ask for the point??? it would be impossible. if he agrees and confirms the original call (and armstrong's "call on appeal") then he loses the game. and he doesn't want that, does he. so he refuses to look at the mark, and basically forces armstrong to go with his initial incorrect call. robredo was clearly manipulating the situation to his advantage.

the more honorable thing to do might have been to check the mark, and agree with everyone, accept that armstrong made a hasty call, and at least play a let. super honorable would have been to give phillip the point he earned, but i'm not insane to think he might have done that. but he did neither.

 

[Moose Malloy]

The "reasoning" behind that call was that Graff said that he thought the out call had come a split second after Karlovic had missed the return, therefore it had no bearing on him missing the shot.

Regardless of the 'reasoning,' what he did is against the rules umpires are supposed to follow. The returner is always supposed to get the benefit of the doubt, if they make contact on a serve that is called out, they always play 2. I've seen them play 2 on some monster serves that Sampras & Roddick delivered that the returner had absolutely no play on, but made contact on, yet Graff thinks Karlovic had 'no play' on a soft serve by Starace? absurd. He's lucky he didn't so this in a match where Hewitt, Safin, or Roddick was on the receiving end of this nonsense or he'd be out of a job.

This is the 2nd time this year I've seen Graff do something so out of the guidelines umpires are supposed to follow.

In Vegas, Ginepri was involved in a long rally with Malisse, Malisse hit a shot that was called out, Ginepri clearly stopped his swing halfway, & missed the shot. Graff overruled, & gave the point to Malisse, saying Ginepri had no play on the ball! Ginepri, a pretty laidback guy, was pretty pissed.

Sometimes allowing 'judgement' calls is a bad thing. Can't really go wrong with 'playing 2' in most situations.

ATP umpires lead charmed lives(paid very well, travel all over the world, some socialize quite a bit with players as well), I wouldn't be surprised if some have some pretty big egos, you see that with MLB, NBA, NFL officials, guys that think they are part of the game.

 

[BeHappy]

I felt sorry for the umpire, but robredo knows the rules inside out and knew that the umpire can't change his mind on appeal.Armstrong was trying to do the right thing, Robredo was trying to get what was due to him according to the rules.

 

[BeHappy]

i disagree. armstrong was confessing to robredo that he had made the call to quickly. he said it repeatedly, in fact. but that the ball was out. so he asked robredo to go look for himself. even the guys on tennis channel wondered why robredo didn't take the opportunity since under normal circumstances you have to just take the umpire's word that he checked the right mark, etc.

the reason robredo didn't go look was obvious! if he had, and seen the out mark (he knew the ball was out to begin with) . . . then how on EARTH could he ask for the point??? it would be impossible. if he agrees and confirms the original call (and armstrong's "call on appeal") then he loses the game. and he doesn't want that, does he. so he refuses to look at the mark, and basically forces armstrong to go with his initial incorrect call. robredo was clearly manipulating the situation to his advantage.

the more honorable thing to do might have been to check the mark, and agree with everyone, accept that armstrong made a hasty call, and at least play a let. super honorable would have been to give phillip the point he earned, but i'm not insane to think he might have done that. but he did neither.

they played a let

 

[Aabye]

No, it sounds like it was Armstrong's fault, and Robredo was being a jerk and wouldn't let him correct himself. But Armstrong shouldn't have invited him over to have a look regardless. I used to like Robredo, but this makes him out to be a real schmoe. Did the German fans get on him for it? I know I would have.

 

[BeHappy]

for what?

Robredo was right, according to the rules the umpire cannot change his call on appeal.

 

[IceNineTX]

What Robredo did was say nothing, to protect his interest. He remained silent to benifit, which could be construed as cheating. Roddick, Rafter, and others have given points to thier opponents, despite the importance of the point, when they knew they were benifiting from a bum call.

Did anyone watch the Mahut/Tsonga match yesterday? Tsonga hit a baseline shot that was called out. Mahut looked at the mark, called the chair over and showed him that it was good. Point to Tsonga and the crowd cheered very nicely to show they appreciated the sportsmanship of Mahut. I thought it was pretty neat.

 

[Chauvalito]

i dont think Armstrong should have invited Robredo to check the mark...i think he was hoping he would, see the ball was out, and reverse the call taking Armstrong off the hook. so that's another way Armstrong used poor judgment, to put pressure on Robredo and make him into the heavy when he is the one screwong up. you really cant see the opponents baseline and pick a mark with any accuracy almost all of the time....

Agreed, furthermore, the responsibility is ultimately up to the empire. Whether or not Robredo protested the umpire should have given PK the point and left it at that.

I find it hard to believe that there is a rule which does not allow an umpire to over rule himself once he sees a clear mark, especially on clay.

 

[WBF]

Did anyone watch the Mahut/Tsonga match yesterday? Tsonga hit a baseline shot that was called out. Mahut looked at the mark, called the chair over and showed him that it was good. Point to Tsonga and the crowd cheered very nicely to show they appreciated the sportsmanship of Mahut. I thought it was pretty neat.

This should be the norm. It's nice to see it happen, but it should really happen more.

I like the comparison to the Serena/Capriati incident. Both demonstrate rather disgusting behavior.

 

[NoBadMojo]

i disagree. armstrong was confessing to robredo that he had made the call to quickly. he said it repeatedly, in fact. but that the ball was out. so he asked robredo to go look for himself. even the guys on tennis channel wondered why robredo didn't take the opportunity since under normal circumstances you have to just take the umpire's word that he checked the right mark, etc.

the reason robredo didn't go look was obvious! if he had, and seen the out mark (he knew the ball was out to begin with) . . . then how on EARTH could he ask for the point??? it would be impossible. if he agrees and confirms the original call (and armstrong's "call on appeal") then he loses the game. and he doesn't want that, does he. so he refuses to look at the mark, and basically forces armstrong to go with his initial incorrect call. robredo was clearly manipulating the situation to his advantage.

the more honorable thing to do might have been to check the mark, and agree with everyone, accept that armstrong made a hasty call, and at least play a let. super honorable would have been to give phillip the point he earned, but i'm not insane to think he might have done that. but he did neither.

you chose to either not read all of my post or to not consider what i posted. there is no way a player can pick a ball mark on the opposite baseline when the ball is only an inch long and there is another mark nearby. i play on clay constantly and i know this to be true.

the honourable thing to do would have been for armstrong to admit he made a mistake and award the point to PK. there were miltiple reasons for him to do this. the ball was clearly out..the linesman properly called it so, PK didnt even play the ball, and there was a clear mark..i thought it was low class of Armstrong to divert things as he did..it was all correctable as that was the last ball of the point and another point hadnt been played

 

[Andres]

you chose to either not read all of my post or to not consider what i posted. there is no way a player can pick a ball mark on the opposite baseline when the ball is only an inch long and there is another mark nearby. i play on clay constantly and i know this to be true.

the honourable thing to do would have been for armstrong to admit he made a mistake and award the point to PK. there were miltiple reasons for him to do this. the ball was clearly out..the linesman properly called it so, PK didnt even play the ball, and there was a clear mark..i thought it was low class of Armstrong to divert things as he did..it was all correctable as that was the last ball of the point and another point hadnt been played

He admited it. He told Robredo he misread the mark at least 15 times. But Robredo was aware that the umpire cannot overrule his own overrule, and the superviser told them to replay the point.

Armstrong screwed up just once by misreading the mark, Robredo simply acted within the rules.

 

[Chauvalito]

He admited it. He told Robredo he misread the mark at least 15 times. But Robredo was aware that the umpire cannot overrule his own overrule, and the superviser told them to replay the point.

Armstrong screwed up just once by misreading the mark, Robredo simply acted within the rules.

So there is an actual rule?

 

[Andres]

Apparently yes. The umpire cannot overrule his own overrule, even if his first overrule was incorrect. It's a let.

 

[Frodo Baggins]

While Watchin Bennetue an moya.. I Could Hear The Crowd An The Music An screaming Coming From Centure court.. I got Teary Eye i Started CryingCause I could hear Tommys name An All.... Wish I Could jump through The Set An Protect Tommy From The Crowds An The Evil fans (Ivy Loves Tommy Robredo Forever!!!!)

 

[daddy]

This should be the norm. It's nice to see it happen, but it should really happen more.

I like the comparison to the Serena/Capriati incident. Both demonstrate rather disgusting behavior.

Ive seen a number of pro players doing this in last couple of weeks including Wawrinka, Federer, Djokovic and Murray to name just a few that I remember of the top of my head, just in past two weeks. Do not let Robredo's example ruin the fairplay that clearly exists amongst the ATP guys.

 

[NoBadMojo]

He admited it. He told Robredo he misread the mark at least 15 times. But Robredo was aware that the umpire cannot overrule his own overrule, and the superviser told them to replay the point.

Armstrong screwed up just once by misreading the mark, Robredo simply acted within the rules.

do you somehow know everything that Robredo knows?

so based on what you say, umpires have never over ruled line calls only to be corrected by shot spot and have their over rule reversed?

 

[BeHappy]

do you somehow know everything that Robredo knows?

so based on what you say, umpires have never over ruled line calls only to be corrected by shot spot and have their over rule reversed?

1)Never on clay has that happened.

2)They don't use hawkeye on clay.

 

[Andres]

How do I know what Robredo knows? Because I was listening to him talking to the umpire. That's how I know.

Hawkeye is a different breed. Hawkeye can overrule the umpire. But a player cannot.

 

[NoBadMojo]

How do I know what Robredo knows? Because I was listening to him talking to the umpire. That's how I know.

Hawkeye is a different breed. Hawkeye can overrule the umpire. But a player cannot.

it's the same thing. the mark is better evidence than hawkeye, and i really think an umpire can be over ruled or over rule himself given evidence provided a next point isnt played. thats what armstrong should have done. it was clear he screwed up and he should have reversed his over rule. the purpose is to make the right call. nobody was asking a player to overrule anything..unless you think that armstrong was suggesting to robredo that he go over to the other side and make the call which would be a horrible thing for armstrong to suggest.. i was suggesting that Armstrong do the right thing...since he admitted he blew the call, he should have corrected himself, done the right thing, and given the point to PK and not affecetd the outcome of the match unfairly...robredo would have objected of course, but the match wouldnt have turned into the unfair affair it was.

 

[gj011]

He admited it. He told Robredo he misread the mark at least 15 times. But Robredo was aware that the umpire cannot overrule his own overrule, and the superviser told them to replay the point.

Armstrong screwed up just once by misreading the mark, Robredo simply acted within the rules.

Even though he acted within the rules it does not make it right. Like taking an injury timeout when you are not really injured.

The ball was out and insisting on a bad call to stand is not a display of fair play.

 

[daddy]

I was suggesting that Armstrong do the right thing...since he admitted he blew the call, he should have corrected himself, done the right thing, and given the point to PK and not affecetd the outcome of the match unfairly...robredo would have objected of course, but the match wouldnt have turned into the unfair affair it was.

I think he should have done the same but I understand he corrected the out call and overruled it with his own in call. Someone suggested rules forbid him from overruling his own call ( once he already did it ), Ive never heard of the rule but its a stupid one.

If you have a mark on the court and you can clearly see its out, and you have to replay the point, I say rules are to be corrected to prevent this from happening.

 

[Andres]

Even though he acted within the rules it does not make it right. Like taking an injury timeout when you are not really injured.

The ball was out and insisting on a bad call to stand is not a display of fair play.

I didn't say nor think it was RIGHT. It was not, but it wasn't cheating. It's not cheating if it's within the rules.

Everyone here expects players to be rolemodels of good will and sportsmanship. But they're not playing for fun, this is their JOB. They're playing for money. Since it was within the rules, it was not wrong. That point may provide him an extra 50,000 dollars.

The RULES should be changed, but no one can blame Robredo. He sticked to the rules, and found a way to "fool the system". We should blame Armstrong for not paying enough attention the first time, but not Robredo.

It's their job. While legal, they should do whatever they need to do to be the best they can in their job. Again, WHILE LEGAL.

 

[NoBadMojo]

I think he should have done the same but I understand he corrected the out call and overruled it with his own in call. Someone suggested rules forbid him from overruling his own call ( once he already did it ), Ive never heard of the rule but its a stupid one.

If you have a mark on the court and you can clearly see its out, and you have to replay the point, I say rules are to be corrected to prevent this from happening.

as i understand the rule, calls are open to correction under any condition provided an ensuing point is not played if a clear mistake is discovered. i think the supervisor also screwed up, and i think he was just supporting the umpire because he is the umpire. if this is the rule, i agree, it needs to be changed. i bet we will hear more about this by the announcers if the coverage is any good at all....

 

[illkhiboy]

Isn't Robredo named after Tommy the album made by The Who?

"No one knowwws what it's liiiiiike, to be the baaad man! To be the saaaad man!"

 

[zagor]

I didn't say nor think it was RIGHT. It was not, but it wasn't cheating. It's not cheating if it's within the rules.

Everyone here expects players to be rolemodels of good will and sportsmanship. But they're not playing for fun, this is their JOB. They're playing for money. Since it was within the rules, it was not wrong. That point may provide him an extra 50,000 dollars.

The RULES should be changed, but no one can blame Robredo. He sticked to the rules, and found a way to "fool the system". We should blame Armstrong for not paying enough attention the first time, but not Robredo.

It's their job. While legal, they should do whatever they need to do to be the best they can in their job. Again, WHILE LEGAL.

That's how I see it as well,what Robredo did was not good sportmanship(could be considered bad sportmanship if you want) but it was within the rules and he was down a set and facing a BP,not a good situation to be in so I can understand(even If I don't agree with what he has done I'm not in his shoes as tennis is a recreation to me not my livelyhood) if he wanted to win that point at any cost.

 

[Frodo Baggins]

Hey I Know Why Don't you guys go play tennis ..Do What Kohlschreiber An Tommy Did..Replay That one match.. An Come back here To See Who's Right or Wrong??? Me i'll be Sitting in stands With My guy LoLing at you.. lol I Dare You!!!!

 

[Frodo Baggins]

The Match is Over Move on!!!

 

[daddy]

The Match is Over Move on!!!

Did you steal your father's password to post here ?

 

[Frodo Baggins]

Well Daddy I'm Srry For stealing your password.. Gonna Spank me daddy!!! LoL..

 

[daddy]

Well Daddy I'm Srry For stealing your password.. Gonna Spank me daddy!!! LoL..

Hey, I wanted this to be a bit of a joke. Robredo was bad, you'd better go spank him.

 

[BeHappy]

just to clear things up, a couple of people here who clearly didn't actually witness the incident seem to be under the impression that the umpire:

1)-made an incorrect call

2)-Was shown the correct mark by Kohlschreiber and changed his mind

3)Then changed it back again


What actually happened was that the umpire

1)Made an incorrect call

2)Was shown the correct mark by Kohlschreiber and changed his mind

3)Explained that the ball was out to Robredo and offered to physically show Robredo the mark to prove it was out

4)Robredo called down the Referee

5)The referee completely undermined the u,pire and said he had to go with his original call.



The referee really completely undermined the umpire, at one stage, Kohlschreiber was talking to the referee and they were both completely ignoring the umpire who was telling the players to play on through the loudspeaker-repeatedly.


I felt really sorry for Gerry Armstrong, (The Umpire), he made a mistake and tried to do the right thing.

 

[Moose Malloy]

Not that this matters, thought it was interesting that Gerry Armstrong was the first(& only) umpire to default McEnroe, at the 1990 AO.

But Robredo was aware that the umpire cannot overrule his own overrule, and the superviser told them to replay the point.

I'm not so sure about this, I think I've seen it happen before(probably in the 80s when umpires could be talked into overrules by Connors or Mac 5 minutes after a call had been made)

what about when an umpire calls the score incorrectly & then changes it? is that 'against the rules' as well? not everything an umpire says should be etched in stone, in the NBA when someone makes a mistake, the other officials talk to each other to get it right.

 

[BeHappy]

^^^^^^
The umpire did overrule his own orverrule, he was, in turn, overruled by the referee.