Kohlschreiber-Robredo call dispute (no spoiler)
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rooski
Professional
I just watched the replayed match on TTC. I am now officially NOT a fan of Tommy Robredo and will pull for whoever he plays against from now on. Horrible sportsmanship. He should be embarassed for himself. He was totally being outplayed up to that point and choose to do the wuss/cowardly thing by taking advantage of the situation.
If Robredo is lucky enough to get past Karlovic, then Djokovic will show his pansy @ss out of the tournament.
If Robredo is lucky enough to get past Karlovic, then Djokovic will show his pansy @ss out of the tournament.
skip1969
G.O.A.T.
it ain't the end of the world, sure. and phillip should have put it behind him. there were lots of big points, and he wilted when he was up a break in the second and the third.
but i'm no fan of robredo after today. the way i saw it, poor gerry armstrong was caught between a rock and a hard place after he realized he screwed up the call. he went to robredo and asked him to look at the mark in order to come up with the right call in the end. but robredo punked out and left him hangin'. barnes did armstrong no favors, either. and left the court without giving kohlschreiber an explanation.
so in the end, armstrong had the egg on his face. but at least he TRIED to correct the error and do the right thing.
but i'm no fan of robredo after today. the way i saw it, poor gerry armstrong was caught between a rock and a hard place after he realized he screwed up the call. he went to robredo and asked him to look at the mark in order to come up with the right call in the end. but robredo punked out and left him hangin'. barnes did armstrong no favors, either. and left the court without giving kohlschreiber an explanation.
so in the end, armstrong had the egg on his face. but at least he TRIED to correct the error and do the right thing.
LeftyServe
Semi-Pro
By the way, the German fans did not seem to resent Robredo for the incident. Robredo picked up his game significantly after that point, and there was plenty of boisterous cheering for HIM and his play as the match progressed...
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Funny, but essentially the exact same thing just happend with the same exact umpire, Gerry Armstrong, today during the 1st set of the Safin-Berdych match. Safin hit a shot that landed near the baseline, it was called out by the linesperson, the umpire overruled saying that he saw the ball skid off of the line so therefore the shot was good, Berdych appealed saying he still thinks the ball was out, the umpire goes to inspect the mark but first says there's no mark so he was right in that the ball skidded off of the line so it was good, Berdych then calls the linesperson over to find a mark which the linesperson does, then the umpire changes his call to the ball being out. This is basically the same thing that happened during the Robredo-Kohlschreiber match yesterday with the same umpire, yet he accepted a player's appeal again and changed his call once again. However, the big difference is that in this case, Safin didn't make a stink about it like Robredo did and accepted the final call of "out" and losing the point. He just went on with his business and served the next point without as much as a peep out of him. The difference in reactions between Robredo and Safin were huge when both were presented with the same exact predicament.
I think this is why they still should use Shot Spot even on clay because in both cases Shot Spot showed the ball to be clearly out. Sometimes it's hard to find the right mark or a clear mark on clay.
I think this is why they still should use Shot Spot even on clay because in both cases Shot Spot showed the ball to be clearly out. Sometimes it's hard to find the right mark or a clear mark on clay.
gj011
Banned
Rabbit
G.O.A.T.
The whole thing goes to show how crappy tennis officiating even at the top levels of the game is.
I will say that I agree with Barnes. He made a call based on the rules. After that, it was not subject to negotiation and he wasn't obligated to offer either player a further explanation. Armstrong screwed up and admitted as much in the conversation. He chose to phrase it as 'misread the call', but in point of fact, he overruled something that wasn't clearly a mistake. The ball was out by at least two inches.
With regard to the sportsmanship of the players, I don't think either demonstrated bad sportsmanship. Both made arguments as to the interpretation of the rules. Both directed their arguments at the officials, not each other.
In the end, the point was replayed. Both guys should have accepted and moved on.
I will say that I agree with Barnes. He made a call based on the rules. After that, it was not subject to negotiation and he wasn't obligated to offer either player a further explanation. Armstrong screwed up and admitted as much in the conversation. He chose to phrase it as 'misread the call', but in point of fact, he overruled something that wasn't clearly a mistake. The ball was out by at least two inches.
With regard to the sportsmanship of the players, I don't think either demonstrated bad sportsmanship. Both made arguments as to the interpretation of the rules. Both directed their arguments at the officials, not each other.
In the end, the point was replayed. Both guys should have accepted and moved on.
Hartzy
Rookie
Kohlschreiber made a very good point that he was actually swinging and stopped in mid motion due to the call. Robredo, however, said that because he stopped play, he is at error. I'm pretty sure Robredo noticed that kohlschreiber stopped his swing due to the call and that's where I find the problem. I don't care if it's your job. That's just being flat out dishonest in a way.
Moose Malloy
G.O.A.T.
I've been digging through my old tapes, I've already come across a few instances of where this happened at the French in the 80s/90s.
It wasn't a big deal because, like you said, the other player just let it go when the umpire corrected himself.
I think Tommy just made this 'rule' up on the spot, umpires have changed their minds many times in the past. Or maybe it was a rule but the players had a bigger sense of fair play than he did(if a ball is out, its out, there should be no loophole in this debate)
Also, I noticed how common it was not too long ago(90s) where umpires ask linesman to show them the mark before making a decision.
I wonder why so many umpires today are just finding marks on their own, they really can't see all that well from the chair. If they used linesman more often, maybe there would be less problems(of course I came across a match where a linesman clearly was looking at the wrong mark, even though they called it out a few seconds before)
I don't think most of them knew what happened. Fans in the crowd don't have access to what tv cameras can show(converstations, etc)
norcal
Legend
I felt bad for PK as he was playing really well up to that point, that break would have probably won him the match.
TR knew the ball was out and not only wanted it called in, but he also wanted to be awarded the point. Very crappy behavior.
PK should have toughed it out but I still feel bad for him.
TR knew the ball was out and not only wanted it called in, but he also wanted to be awarded the point. Very crappy behavior.
PK should have toughed it out but I still feel bad for him.
Frodo Baggins
Semi-Pro
no Matter What You Guys Say Bout my Love:neutral: It doesn't Change my mind Bout him..(I Still Wanna be His Real life Girlfriend)..So TAKE THAT!!!!
Frodo Baggins
Semi-Pro
Tommy Doesn't Cheat Never Have Never Will..Anyways Meg Has a Bf.. so no cheating there!!! Signed Tommys Girlfriend Ivy!!!
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ichibanosaru
Guest
(""Talk To The Booty Cause The Hands Off Duty!!!"" ) Tommy Robredo's Girlfriend Ivy Wolftail!!!!
Good one :wink:
Good one :wink:
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