Has Federer declined since 2014?

[USO19]

If we just automatically assume that Federer was declined in 2014 in comparison to 2009 because he was 5 years older and now in his 30s, wouldn't we also have to logically have to conclude he has declined from his 2014 form since he is now 5 years older than he was then?

If Federer is still playing and winning at 43, are we going to pretend that the competition just keeps getting weaker and weaker, rather than Federer maintaining his level?

 

[Newballs]

Oh Rog...

 

[MeatTornado]

Who is denying that Federer's gotten worse since 2014?

I was just watching some 2015 USO highlights this morning, and I was blown away by how much better his movement was compared to today. And I was laughing to myself because I remember at the time thinking how slow he looked. But now 4 years later I'd kill for him to have that kind of movement to his forehand side or explosion towards the net to apply pressure and put away volleys.

 

[USO19]

Who is denying that Federer's gotten worse since 2014?

I was just watching some 2015 USO highlights this morning, and I was blown away by how much better his movement was compared to today. And I was laughing to myself because I remember at the time thinking how slow he looked. But now 4 years later I'd kill for him to have that kind of movement to his forehand side or explosion towards the net to apply pressure and put away volleys.

LOL. Oh, brother.

So when Federer is still Top 3 at 40, we'll be hearing he declined EVEN more. The competition just keeps getting weaker and weaker according to Federer fans. Tennis is the only sport where the level somehow just keeps getting worse, when every other sport's level gets better.

I mean, every year, most of the Olympic records in most events are broken. That's objective reality.

But we're expected to believe the level of tennis is declining? Despite all the advancements in sports science that the players are all taking advantage of?

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

But we're expected to believe the level of tennis is declining? Despite all the advancements in sports science that the players are all taking advantage of?

Ever hear evolution is not linear? Following a high peak, now we're in a slump. Not the first time in history, look at late 90s and early 70s. Only this time it's longer than before, annoyingly enough.

Federer doing well at his age is a combination of his GOATness and the general tour underperforming. Again, look at Rosewall making Wimbledon and USO finals at freaking 39 (only to be routined by the much younger Connors, who was almost young enough to be Ken's son). It speaks greatly to what a hell of a player he was, but also highlights the weakness of the tour at the time... like when he bagelled the World No.1 on Wimbledon Centre Court, how ridiculous is this.

 

[Red Rick]

LOL. Oh, brother.

So when Federer is still Top 3 at 40, we'll be hearing he declined EVEN more. The competition just keeps getting weaker and weaker according to Federer fans. Tennis is the only sport where the level somehow just keeps getting worse, when every other sport's level gets better.

I mean, every year, most of the Olympic records in most events are broken. That's objective reality.

But we're expected to believe the level of tennis is declining? Despite all the advancements in sports science that the players are all taking advantage of?

Fed has declines immensely.

Now tell me I'm a fan.

 

[Red Rick]

Ever hear evolution is not linear? Following a high peak, now we're in a slump. Not the first time in history, look at late 90s and early 70s. Only this time it's longer than before, annoyingly enough.

Federer doing well at his age is a combination of his GOATness and the general tour underperforming. Again, look at Rosewall making Wimbledon and USO finals at freaking 39 (only to be routined by the much younger Connors, who was almost young enough to be Ken's son). It speaks greatly to what a hell of a player he was, but also highlights the weakness of the tour at the time... like when he bagelled the World No.1 on Wimbledon Centre Court, how ridiculous is this.

I believe it should actually get worse according to the 2nd law of thermodynamics

 

[RS]

Who is denying that Federer's gotten worse since 2014?

I was just watching some 2015 USO highlights this morning, and I was blown away by how much better his movement was compared to today. And I was laughing to myself because I remember at the time thinking how slow he looked. But now 4 years later I'd kill for him to have that kind of movement to his forehand side or explosion towards the net to apply pressure and put away volleys.

Federer moved decently well in 2015 and his backhand has solid as his net play was great. It was his FH that was the biggest problem.

 

[weakera]

2014 AO SF was a remarkable match. Roger was so mentally shaken by the end and you could tell by a few of his horrendous errors, he was rattled. He got worse and worse as the match went on.

 

[tennis_pro]

LOL. Oh, brother.

So when Federer is still Top 3 at 40, we'll be hearing he declined EVEN more. The competition just keeps getting weaker and weaker according to Federer fans. Tennis is the only sport where the level somehow just keeps getting worse, when every other sport's level gets better.

I mean, every year, most of the Olympic records in most events are broken. That's objective reality.

But we're expected to believe the level of tennis is declining? Despite all the advancements in sports science that the players are all taking advantage of?

No, according to every sane person with a pair of eyes.

It won't last forever but right now these are the most useless generations ever.

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

2014 AO SF was a remarkable match. Roger was so mentally shaken by the end and you could tell by a few of his horrendous errors, he was rattled. He got worse and worse as the match went on.

AO 2019 F was even more remarkable though.

 

[Sudacafan]

If we just automatically assume that Federer was declined in 2014 in comparison to 2009 because he was 5 years older and now in his 30s, wouldn't we also have to logically have to conclude he has declined from his 2014 form since he is now 5 years older than he was then?

If Federer is still playing and winning at 43, are we going to pretend that the competition just keeps getting weaker and weaker, rather than Federer maintaining his level?

Yes

 

[weakera]

AO 2019 F was even more remarkable though.

Not really, Nadal played much better in the second and third set than in the first and was coming off of a long layoff.

 

[MeatTornado]

LOL. Oh, brother.

So when Federer is still Top 3 at 40, we'll be hearing he declined EVEN more. The competition just keeps getting weaker and weaker according to Federer fans. Tennis is the only sport where the level somehow just keeps getting worse, when every other sport's level gets better.

I mean, every year, most of the Olympic records in most events are broken. That's objective reality.

But we're expected to believe the level of tennis is declining? Despite all the advancements in sports science that the players are all taking advantage of?

It also goes against every piece of science to think a player experiences no physical decline between the ages of 33 and 38.

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

Not really, Nadal played much better in the second and third set than in the first and was coming off of a long layoff.

Djokovic played much better in the first set than in the second and third sets. Federer was coming from a longer layoff at AO 17, yet no appropriate praise can be found in the dullard quarters.

 

[Nadal_Django]

YES. His decline since 2014 has been heavy. With every year passed he is getting worse and worse. 2015 level of play was worse than 2014. 2016 was worse than 2015. 2017 was worse than 2016. 2018 worse than 2017 Etc etc...

 

[weakera]

Djokovic played much better in the first set than in the second and third sets. Federer was coming from a longer layoff at AO 17, yet no appropriate praise can be found in the dullard quarters.

Sure thing buddy

 

[KINGROGER]

Overall he’s declined compared to 14/15 but he played a better Wimbledon this year and was better in 2017 than any post 2012 year.

 

[MeatTornado]

Overall he’s declined compared to 14/15 but he played a better Wimbledon this year and was better in 2017 than any post 2012 year.

I don't think he was better at Wimbledon this year. I just think Novak was worse.

 

[Sudacafan]

I don't think he was better at Wimbledon this year. I just think Novak was worse.

Conclusion: in this year’s Wimbledon everybody was worse, and the worse Fed didn’t get lucky to get away with it.

 

[swordtennis]

Lmao at fed being slow. In the fantasy land of revisionism fed was faster than Mercury. Stronger than Zeus. More powerful than superman and faster than a speeding bullit. If he just stayed 20 years old no player in the history of tennis could beat him. He truly was invincible. Now just dont get him upset in the 5th set.

 

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