NatF
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tennisaddict is pretty clueless, but don't join him. Roddick of Wimbledon 2004 was anything but one dimensional.
How many former FO titlists Nadal have defeated to win 8 FOs?
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tennisaddict is pretty clueless, but don't join him. Roddick of Wimbledon 2004 was anything but one dimensional.
tennisaddict
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In your view of the world (Read as 'Cave'), Nadal is the only player who knows to hold a racquet. Oh and I forgot, in the now famous all important H2H, the lap dog leads Nadal's prime competitor.
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abmk
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Clean striking ability + balanced dictating ground strokes.
Achievements at various places .. surface preferences .
Agassi djokovic is much closer than djokovic chang
Granted defence difference does set them apart . Agassi of course the cleaner striker and could take it earlier.
abmk
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Neither was roddick of Wimbledon 2009, heh
Corrected for additional intelligence.
This is off topic but needs to be discussed.
Statistically it's wrong but 2004 Roddick can maul any version of Parera considering peak levels.
Even 2006 Roddick at USO can be technically superior to Parera's 2013 version on hard court.
Forehand Of Doom
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Nadal is so good that he is the only player to have beaten both the GOAT and SOG multiple times in multiple slam finals.
Then again, Fed beat Baghdatis, Philippousis, and Gonzalez in slam finals. So things kind of balance out. :lol:
Then again, Fed beat Baghdatis, Philippousis, and Gonzalez in slam finals. So things kind of balance out. :lol:
NatF
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Yes things are especially balanced if you add in Ferrer, Puerta and Berdych...
tennisaddict
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Who beat Ferrer at 2013 FO and Berdych at 2010 Wimb ?
Nadal's competition is
1. Player he is 23-10 against
2. Player who has made 1 FO final till now.
3. Federer's kid who is going to be born this year.
Forehand Of Doom
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Who was Federer's competition outside clay in 2004/2007? Geriatric meth addicts with back problems, über-pigeons, and players more interested in skirts or ham sandwhiches than tennis.
tennisaddict
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Who was Federer's competition outside clay in 2004/2007? Geriatric meth addicts with back problems, über-pigeons, and players more interested in skirts or ham sandwhiches than tennis.
You need to read previous posts in the thread and not jump to page 9 directly.
Safin would have actually won AO 2004 under normal circumstances, Federer lucked out at this tournament more so than any other tournament here.
NatF
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No guarantee Safin would have won, although I agree his level of play in 2004 was perhaps even higher at the AO than in 2005. I think Federer would have won either the 04 or the 05 encounter even if Safin was in top form for both.
It was a nightmare draw though.
Omega_7000
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Weak clay era.
Death Master
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Who was Federer's competition outside clay in 2004/2007? Geriatric meth addicts with back problems, über-pigeons, and players more interested in skirts or ham sandwhiches than tennis.
general Death approves this post.
Yes, whilst it is no guarantee, I still think Safin would have won due to these facts:
1) Safin was able to knock out the best player, the #1 seed in the tournament.
2) Safin for two sets (7-6 6-4) was giving Federer a good game; It was only at 2-0 down he ran out of gas. I'm pretty sure he would have had chances if he was at 100%. Is this a valid excuse? Yes, because he was only tired because of a crap draw given because his ranking fell so bad because of injury.
3) Safin was no where near the level he was at the QF and SF against Federer. This much was obvious.
4) When both played each other at the AO when both were very good, Safin won.
5) Safin seems to win every epic match he takes part in at AO
These are the reasons I think Safin, under normal circumstances, would have won the AO 2004. I also think Safin would have won the AO 2003 if he didn't sustain that wrist injury. Of course, AO 2002 was a joke, but his attitude didn't help here; Stark contrast to 04/05 where Safin was very motivated, hard working and focused.
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Soderling did beat him at his peak.. that is how good Soderling is in Clay... oh wait... it's just the common stupid reasoning used by Nadorks...
NatF
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I agree for the most part, his semi final with Agassi especially was played at an incredible level. The match with Roddick was also a great match. Although I think at that point Federer had already surprassed Roddick in many peoples minds after the way he won the YEC.
Federer faced two of his boogey-men on route to the final too, Nalbandian and Hewitt. Sets 1 and 3 of his semi final was also high level stuff with Ferrero.
Federer had a match point in the 05 encounter, it was one of those matches that could have gone either way. Which is why I think it's unlikely he would lose two close encounters to Safin in a row at the AO.
Gorecki, hello!
You good? Where has Zagor gone? He was like the only good Federer fan!Not really; Roddick was #1 because he had better results than the rest and had consistency in slams which Federer and Ferrero didn't (although Ferrero had two very good slams, the others were so-so) as well as winning more MS titles and won on every surface.
But at that point in time, Agassi and Roddick were in better form than those three stated. Safin on the other hand simply had no form at all and was actually slightly injured in the QF's. Safin would have wiped the floor with Hewitt, Nalbandian and Ferrero that tournament. Safin playing crap tennis can still out-tough Hewitt at the AO (see final for details) and the other two's lack of power would hurt on the rebound ace against Safin.
Federer had a match point in the 05 encounter, it was one of those matches that could have gone either way. Which is why I think it's unlikely he would lose two close encounters to Safin in a row at the AO.[/QUOTE]
Robin was RU in 2009 and 2010, but he downed two defending champions there- Parera and Fed resp.
He was true clay court specialist along with Parera in last decade and no wonder he's still only man on planet who've butchered Parera at FO.
SLD76
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hey dummy, how many have played nadal on grass???
if you didnt get the clue, the 'on grass' part was mainly in reference to Fed.
helloworld
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How can he beat another champ when he doesn't give anyone a chance to become a champ?
Death Master
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How can he beat another champ when he doesn't give anyone a chance to become a champ?
that might be too profound a statement for some of these professional rafa haters.
How can he beat another champ when he doesn't give anyone a chance to become a champ?
Then how can Fed beat another champ, when he allowed just 1 slam to go away in his peak outside of RG
No one is hating Parera. We are discussing about Parera's competition on clay in last decade.
Knowing intelligence level of your posts, I am pretty sure you can contribute nothing to Tennis community.
Except.......
Vamossssssssss.... :twisted:
Then how can Fed beat another champ, when he allowed just 1 slam to go away in his peak outside of RG
So Wimbledon 2008, AO2009, USO 2009 and Wimbledon 2010 weren't during Fed's peak? Wow, he had a very brief time to shine in the sun...
beast of mallorca
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Federer is at his peak when he is winning......:twisted:
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and if federer didn't exist, roddick, hewitt, safin, nadal, djokovic, would have many more slams, making it a "stronger" era. Same logic fail.
abmk
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agassi > nalbandian > roddick in that AO by form IMO.
safin would've beat hewitt & ferrero clearly I think, but nalbandian wouldn't be that easy.
safin did not play cr*p tennis vs hewitt in 2005 AO final - he only started out slow ... just like he did vs roddick in AO 04 .
strongly disagree.
safin's AO 05 form was quite distinctly better than his 04 form and he'd have lost to federer in 04 even if not tired.
safin had a tough draw, but federer didn't have an easy one either - having to face in-form ferrero, nalbandian & hewitt. ....he just disposed them off efficiently. federer also does not go to 5 vs roddick either like safin did. the only one capable of 'stretching' federer on safin's side of the draw was agassi - that's it
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abmk
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yes, roddick was overall #1 in 03 (by a narrow margin ), but that's really not that relevant to the point here - their form and their levels on the AO surface.
federer was simply superior at that time on both counts .
What are you smoking?
Fed collected 11 of 12 slams outside of FO from 2004 to 2007.
You need to understand what the peak and prime actually means.
His winning % from 2004 to 2007
2004: 74-6 (92.5%)
2005: 81-4 (95.29%)
2006: 92-6 (94.84%)
2007: 68-9 (88.31%)
Now from 2008 to 2013
2008: 66-15 (81.15%)
2009: 61-12 (83.84%)
2010: 65-13 (83.33%)
2011: 64-12 (84.21%)
2012: 71-12 (85.54%)
2013: 45-17 (72.67%)
Now analysis:
2004-07: Peak Fed
2008-2009: Prime Fed
2010-2011: Post prime Fed
2012: Resurgent Fed but. not at level of 2009.
2013: Declined Fed. (May be injury year)
abmk
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pretty much this ....
Believe me if you manage to make 1 post without :twisted:,
you'll be best poster on TT.
The_Order
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Hewitt and Djokovic.
Tenez101
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Exactly, and Nadal has beaten Moya and Federer. So what is the point of this thread?
Death Master
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there is exactly zero point to this thread.
its just those old MTF trolls doing what they do best.
i rate this thread something south of zero.
its just those old MTF trolls doing what they do best.
i rate this thread something south of zero.
beast of mallorca
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:twisted::twisted::twisted:
furryballs
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does anyone really care about the french open?
Death Master
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Tenez you need to read all 10 pages before giving comment.
If you're clay death, then OK, whatever he posts is 100% true,But all we ordinary posters.
Death Master
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total garbage thread.
Why you trying so hard to get banned on TT also?
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