How To Choose A Great Coach (Part 1)
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styksnstryngs
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Is that the ratio? 1 beer to 1 wing? Because although I do not have experience with beer, it seems more likely to be a 1:3 ratio, at least.
J011yroger
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ChaelAZ
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Honestly I can only eat at most a dozen wings anymore. Beer still seems to have a much higher limit and threshold.
But I am here for coaching advice.
...no wonder I am a beginner and can’t 6 ball rally. I only eat like half a dozen wings....
Shroud
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Beer and wings is the one time a chickenwing fh is acceptable. Straight arm makes eating the wings impossible. And nipples face the net
J011yroger
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Where's that guy? Maybe he will start a thread on how to eat wings with a straight arm.
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Shroud
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And how cooperative eating is useless
J011yroger
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ChaelAZ
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r2473
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Pretty well sums it up. I fall into the latter category.
If you want to be a good coach for the majority of club players, learn how to feed 10,000 balls a day and repeat stock encouraging phrases. Being good looking helps with the "sugar baby" contingent. Learning how to tell parents exactly what they want to hear helps with the junior contingent. Sometimes helps if you actually know how to play tennis, but certainly not required and really not a high priority.
See also "babysitter".
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rogerroger917
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I'm also of the mind that coaches don't matter as much as some of them think. It's the kids that achieve success. The parents that have the proper encouragement and support without being overbearing. As long as the coach is consistent and qualified he or she can be an asset. But they cannot "make" a star player. That comes from within the player themselves.
Shroud
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Lol. I had one of those coaches and he told me in no uncertian terms that I could be a 5.0. Ditched that guy
r2473
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Despite what is bandied about in The Talent Code, we all know that in any group, maybe 1% will be the star. That 1% will move up in competition. From that group of talented people, only about 1% will move up to the next group. In that group the process repeats.
At some point the group shrinks to only insanely talented people (we call this the ATP tour). Then hard work will make some difference. Even so, you are either born Federer or you're not. No matter how hard Goffin works, he will never be Federer.
Point is, you'll never get to the top 1% of any of these groups (with the possible exception of the first group, depending on just how naturally untalented you are) unless you are just born with certain talent. Doesn't matter how hard you work or how good your coach is. But within the group, you can move from the bottom to top 20% or 10%. But hard work without talent will never take you further than your talent will allow.
If you aren't naturally in the top 1% in the first group, no matter how hard you work, you'll always suck. If you pass out of the first group but aren't in the top 1% of the second group, you'll be better than most, but not even close to elite (or even good), no matter how hard you work.
If you stay in any one of the groups and don't pass out of it, you can move up to a higher position in that group with hard work, but never reach elite status (and probably never even pass out of that group). This is who we call "USTA league legends".
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styksnstryngs
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I can take at least 25 wings for dinner. I've met some good coaches, but a lot of bad ones. One really good coach I know coaches serious players and beginners very differently-- the old ones that don't really do much and are not committed, he will just encourage. Real players, he will be harder on.
rogerroger917
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I can easily eat 24 wings. Easily. No beer but a full bottle of red wine with it is easy as well.
Contradicts your sig
r2473
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You don't understand my sig apparantly
S&V-not_dead_yet
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Please provide video proof or else it never happened.
I suppose next you'll claim you used a 10 oz racquet. Hah!
Shroud
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Keep reading. I did give video proof. And fwiw yeah i once did use a 10oz stickPlease provide video proof or else it never happened.
I suppose next you'll claim you used a 10 oz racquet. Hah!
https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/the-rhonda-rousey-of-rackets.534112/
Aleksey Zharinov
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LOL!!!
Raul_SJ
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What is the difference?
Macci says he teaches the same forehand used by Federer, Nadal and Djok.
Aleksey Zharinov
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I dont like to call it after a guy who teaches it, I like to call it after guys who mastered it. That's all. I see what you mean, tho. That's just my preference
styksnstryngs
Professional
Lol it's like brain in that lil dicky some pillow talk-- "this b**** don't know bout pangea"
Raul_SJ
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I had once asked a few USPTA 1 certified instructors if they taught it and they had absolutely no idea what I meant. Yet, they also claimed that they taught the "Federer modern forehand", even though they were totally missing the basic elements and checkpoints (compact takeback, "tap the dog" position, etc) described in that USPTA Macci video.
There is something to be said to having a defined teaching methodology and approach. It does not mean that you are necessarily endorsing it as the only way, but it at least avoids confusion with prospective students that are interested in learning a certain style.
So for example, if you go to an MTM instructor, you know exactly what methodology will be being used.
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Aleksey Zharinov
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i see what you mean. I think his info is right, i just find it easier to demonstrate for my clients thru actual pros. i also think some of his analogies are pretty corny
Crucial point that is frequently overlooked.
The problem is, the student or their parents typically do not know enough to ask the right questions. They just assume the professional coach knows the proper technique.
Same problem, perhaps even worse, in golf instruction. Golf pros tend to attend a lot of training sessions, etc so they often can toss out the currently fashionable buzzwords. The problem is they have little idea what they mean or how to employ them. You see this constantly on The Golf Channel. Current buzz word is "ground force." Essentially a meaningless concept that has taken on near religious significance for certain pros. Listening to them is like reading the output of a random word generator.
What exactly is that methodology?
rogerroger917
Hall of Fame
Thomas Daniels is an MTM coach. I asked him about it but he just told me I was a vampire. MTM has something to do with Mushu pork.
J011yroger
Talk Tennis Guru
Pronation. Supination. Shuffle step. Power move. Drop step. Take back arch. Wrist lag.
I think most 3.0-3.5 would forget these words after class.
LOL
S&V-not_dead_yet
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Shroud
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Yeah yeah. You want to see me in a dress. I get that alot...Maybe he was referring to Mixed?
mad dog1
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Very noble! I applaud thee.
mad dog1
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Not gonna happen. Nothing binary about this.
mad dog1
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Mtm = Mushu To the Max?
S&V-not_dead_yet
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As the politicians say, "bad optics".
Raul_SJ
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Modern Tennis Methodology (MTM). A methodology is whatever the founder defines it to be.
You go to a Bolliteiri coach/academy, he follows Nick's methodology. Likewise Macci and Lansdorp.
You do not have to agree with it. But at least a prospective student knows that an MTM instructor will have him doing "counting to five" exercises and whatever else MTM teaches.
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