How to flatten out high balls on the 1hbh?

[Cheetah]

what I meant was relative to the normal shots that are between waist and shoulder. in fact, at contact the torso will be upright but it feel like leaning back since your shoulder blade is pulling upward and backward. well at least that's how I do it and describe and communicate the feeling.

can you explain in a little more detail how u do that?

 

[tennis_hack]

I don't think that's a high ball.
Kuerten is stretched wide and lands outside the lines. Therefore his main concern is recovery so he hits more open and wants to land on his rear leg to push off back towards the middle of the court. His technique here has nothing to do with hitting a routine high flat ball.
Not sure that's a flat ball he's returning.

It's been weeks now. If the pro's hit off the back foot etc etc you should easily be able to find numerous contemporary hd videos of this. Where are they?

'It's been weeks now'!? Wtf is that meant to mean? I'm not pouring my time into sinking hours researching this for you, I merely happened upon a clip of Kuerten when trying to find footage of him to look at his game generally, then remembered this thread.

How specific do you want to be? Kuerten hit a 1hbh off the back foot, fair and square. The topic got de-railed slightly into whether 1hbh's can be hit from the back foot or not, and I answered: yes.

Now, how about I ask you to find an example of a pro who hits a two-inches-above-head-height forehand pointing their shoes shoelaces 12 degrees off of parallel to the baseline in a closed stance with 2303rpms of topspin. Can you find it? No? Well, I guess then closed-stance forehand doesn't exist either.

I'm not saying the open stance 1hbh is the norm, either. Just that it happens.

 

[Cheetah]

Fail.

It's been weeks now'!? Wtf is that meant to mean? I'm not pouring my time into sinking hours researching this for you, I merely happened upon a clip of Kuerten when trying to find footage of him to look at his game generally, then remembered this thread.

Sure. after you probably spent hours trying to find an example of one when this thread was alive.

How specific do you want to be? Kuerten hit a 1hbh off the back foot, fair and square. The topic got de-railed slightly into whether 1hbh's can be hit from the back foot or not, and I answered: yes.

Nobody was debating whether or not a 1hbh could be hit off the back foot.

Now, how about I ask you to find an example of a pro who hits a two-inches-above-head-height forehand pointing their shoes shoelaces 12 degrees off of parallel to the baseline in a closed stance with 2303rpms of topspin. Can you find it? No?

I never said it could be so why would I search for one?

Well, I guess then closed-stance forehand doesn't exist either.

Yes it does.

 

[tennis_hack]

ahh, Cheetah. Everyone's favorite up-himself, condescending-to-others poster.

No-one's gna win this one. I'll say I haven't specifically done research for you. You'll say I have. We'll go round in circles. I haven't, but if you think I have, good for you.

Actually, you fail because I initially linked a vid of Wawrinka hitting an open stance backhand and you said he was hitting off his front foot. You failed to slow the video down frame-by-frame to see that he hit off his back foot, then landed on his front foot for recovery.

I then showed you two more even more explicit examples of Kuerten hitting backhands off the back foot in an open stance, and for some reason you're claiming I'm failing.

Whatever man - just go back to apparently breaking kevlar strings with every forehand you hit, and bending the ball into egg, disk and origami shapes (depending on the spin you wish to impart) because you're so uber powerful and omnipotent. Oh, and make sure to tell any noobs that they can't play tennis unless they can do all these things.

 

[Cheetah]

Actually, you fail because I initially linked a vid of Wawrinka hitting an open stance backhand and you said he was hitting off his front foot. You failed to slow the video down frame-by-frame to see that he hit off his back foot, then landed on his front foot for recovery.

You're really bringing the fail today aren't you? I showed you the frame at contact. The video is of good quality. It's clear he's not hitting off the rear foot. How does his rear foot get to the position in my frame if he hit off that foot? Clueless.

I then showed you two more even more explicit examples of Kuerten hitting backhands off the back foot in an open stance, and for some reason you're claiming I'm failing.

Because you are. It's clear you don't know what you're talking about. And btw, nobody plays with kevlar strings lol.

You can't show any video supporting your claim, denied you tried to find any and I've showed several frames depicting the opposite of what you claim. Give up while you're behind.

 

[DavaiMarat]

http://www.virtualtennisacademy.com/videoplayer/index.php?action=detail&id=499

Register with VTA an watch the above video.

 

[tennis_hack]

You're really bringing the fail today aren't you? I showed you the frame at contact. The video is of good quality. It's clear he's not hitting off the rear foot. How does his rear foot get to the position in my frame if he hit off that foot? Clueless.



Because you are. It's clear you don't know what you're talking about. And btw, nobody plays with kevlar strings lol.

You can't show any video supporting your claim, denied you tried to find any and I've showed several frames depicting the opposite of what you claim. Give up while you're behind.

As was already pointed out to you by another poster (Velvet), Wawrinka used an open stance footwork pattern to hit that backhand. You've freezed it after contact at which point he's landed on his front foot.

However, at, and, most importantly, before contact, he'd loaded up on the back foot to hit it.

I had downloaded that video off youtube and run it back in an application that allows me to run it frame by frame, and clearly, he loaded and hit off the back foot.

 

[Cheetah]

As was already pointed out to you by another poster (Velvet), Wawrinka used an open stance footwork pattern to hit that backhand. You've freezed it after contact at which point he's landed on his front foot.

However, at, and, most importantly, before contact, he'd loaded up on the back foot to hit it.

I had downloaded that video off youtube and run it back in an application that allows me to run it frame by frame, and clearly, he loaded and hit off the back foot.

The issue and topic of the thread is 'flattening out high balls on a 1hbh'. Not 'how do i hit a running backhand off of Raphael Nadal on clay when I'm pulled wide off the court'. In that case, as I've said several times... anything goes. and you can tel that when he hits that ball he makes contact in his regular position for a normal bh because that's where he wants to be... namely same form and transfer as usual. Same as Almagro. His footwork is like that because it's nadal, clay, wide etc etc...

I asked several times to show me a video of a high 1hbh where they are not pulled wide and they hit off the back leg. You know.. a standard situation. Still haven't seen one.

 

[tennis_hack]

The issue and topic of the thread is 'flattening out high balls on a 1hbh'. Not 'how do i hit a running backhand off of Raphael Nadal on clay when I'm pulled wide off the court'. In that case, as I've said several times... anything goes. and you can tel that when he hits that ball he makes contact in his regular position for a normal bh because that's where he wants to be... namely same form and transfer as usual. Same as Almagro. His footwork is like that because it's nadal, clay, wide etc etc...

I asked several times to show me a video of a high 1hbh where they are not pulled wide and they hit off the back leg. You know.. a standard situation. Still haven't seen one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4TMXjBFpOc

Watch Kuerten here. I remember watching him hit several open stance backhands over the course of this match, and not only when pulled very wide either. He just seems to do it sometimes out of footwork economy and because he has a natural tendency to rotate at the torso and open up his shoulders at contact anyway, so the mechanics of the shot are still sound with an open stance. His backhand is very much a more rotational shot than the more linear Haas/Dimitrov types of 1hbh's you can see on the tour. His closest contemporary counterpart is Wawrinka, but Wawrinka is less inclined to use open stance footwork patterns.

I cannot be bothered to link specific incidents in the above clip of when Kuerten uses open stance footwork to hit backhands on this high-bouncing court, because I do not care what you think enough to spoon-feed you the evidence. Suffice it to say that you will find several examples of these shots if you watch this match.

 

[Cheetah]

Giving a time of a specific point in a match video to illustrate your point on a tennis technique forum is 'spoon feeding' now? Noobs these days...

No time at the moment because I'm playing with 3 other members of this forum today, 2 for the first time so I have to go through my pre kevlar-breaking routine then watch an open tournament with them and then play. If you would be so kind as to spoon feed me one of the points in the Kuerten match I'll look when I get back.

 

[ext2hander]

High two-hand return

I just happened to have an example hitting my two-hand backhand at head height.. If you look close, you'll see the ball entering the frame at the far right, with a very high bounce. I had to wait until it reached just above head height, to return the ball hard and crosscourt. The initial impact is fairly straight, relying on gravity and topspin from swinging upwards, to send the ball deep into the court! I'd rather not try my one-hand backhand on those high balls, for fear of elbow injury!