If Djokovic completed Golden Slam and retired?

[BGod]

Assume Djokovic finishes the year with the Calendar Slam. That would still keave him 3 of tying and 4 of surpassing Federer. However he'd have achieved the tall ends of what Federer never did with Gold and the Calendar Slam. Say he wants to retire on top and be with his family.

Would he be recognised as GOAT?

He'd have a 6-4-3-1 spread with 6 WTFs and Gold Medal. Laver gets consideration all the time with 11 Slams and smaller draws.

As a Federer fan I'd put him level.

 

[Tennisanity]

Djoko would never sniff a CGS, NCYGS, or CYGS if Nadal was around the way Fed had him. Yes Djoko does better against Nadal than Fed because of matchups, but he still wasn't winning as FO2014 proved. Fed also would never have won FO2009 had Sod not knocked out peak NAdal for him.

 

[Steve0904]

Hard to say. On numbers (with only 14 slams to Federer's 17) I wouldn't give it to him, but some others would. Federer and Djokovic are too similar in other areas numbers wise for a CYGS to make up for a 3 slam gap IMO.

 

[Deleted member 512391]

I agree with Steve, the CYGS is a great achievement, but he would be still three Majors behind and that's more than the whole career of Andy Murray. Plus, Federer still has more weeks and one more year as the No. 1 player, has more WTFs (although less Masters), so it really comes to number of Majors when comparing these two.

 

[Nonsense]

Assume Djokovic finishes the year with the Calendar Slam. That would still keave him 3 of tying and 4 of surpassing Federer. However he'd have achieved the tall ends of what Federer never did with Gold and the Calendar Slam. Say he wants to retire on top and be with his family.

Would he be recognised as GOAT?

He'd have a 6-4-3-1 spread with 6 WTFs and Gold Medal. Laver gets consideration all the time with 11 Slams and smaller draws.

As a Federer fan I'd put him level.

I wouldn't.

Federer will have the weeks at No. 1, 17 vs 14 as well. Too big a difference to be bridged by a CYGS.

 

[Jaitock1991]

There is no GOAT. But if there was, I guess he'd have a pretty good case. Still a long way to go though.

 

[chacmool]

cygs is a lot more difficult to achieve than anything else in tennis. even in a super weak whatever era. just ask serena. i doubt djokovic will do it anyway.

 

[Djokovic2015]

I agree with Steve, the CYGS is a great achievement, but he would be still three Majors behind and that's more than the whole career of Andy Murray. Plus, Federer still has more weeks and one more year as the No. 1 player, has more WTFs (although less Masters), so it really comes to number of Majors when comparing these two.

In this scenario Nole would obviously end the season as YE #1 and hence that would be equal at 5-5 (and Nole has an arguable 6th with the ITF #1 from 2013).
TC also specified Nole wins the YEC, as he mentioned 6, so that would be tied as well.

Novak would have the OG Fed never got, more masters, winning h2h on all accounts (total, finals, slams, slam finals and also vs Nadal both of their other big rival) as well as better peak performances than Fed in terms of consecutive majors won, atp points peak (for almost 9 months above the best Fed had), and the only golden calendar slam in men's history all to weigh against the 3 majors. Not saying that means Novak is above Fed for sure with that, but just be clear on the comparison.

 

[Algo]

Poor wording edit:
If he fell short at the GS tally but did this, he'd have a greater case at GOATness than if he fell short and also couldn't make this.
Though is it really something we could ask him to do? I don't really think so.

 

[dr325i]

Djoko would never sniff a CGS, NCYGS, or CYGS if Nadal was around the way Fed had him. Yes Djoko does better against Nadal than Fed because of matchups, but he still wasn't winning as FO2014 proved. Fed also would never have won FO2009 had Sod not knocked out peak NAdal for him.

And you have the crystal ball to tell you that...
Same as my theory that if they busted Nadal for doping in 2005, he would have never had all those FOs. But I have absolutely no proof of that either...

 

[dr325i]

Assume Djokovic finishes the year with the Calendar Slam. That would still keave him 3 of tying and 4 of surpassing Federer. However he'd have achieved the tall ends of what Federer never did with Gold and the Calendar Slam. Say he wants to retire on top and be with his family.

Would he be recognised as GOAT?

He'd have a 6-4-3-1 spread with 6 WTFs and Gold Medal. Laver gets consideration all the time with 11 Slams and smaller draws.

As a Federer fan I'd put him level.

Why would he retire, though.
He still has 3-4 years to rule the sport and comfortably put himself at an undisputed top and make whiners cry for months on this board...

 

[Lord Anomander]

Djokovic wouldn't only win a CYGS, he would have to win 6 slams in a row. I don't think that's even possible, but the sky is the limit, I guess.

And he shouldn't retire, because I want to see him play for a couple of years

 

[Tennisanity]

And you have the crystal ball to tell you that...
Same as my theory that if they busted Nadal for doping in 2005, he would have never had all those FOs. But I have absolutely no proof of that either...

Yeah I do.

 

[dr325i]

Yeah I do.

Well, it is cracked somewhere and leaking shiat...
Because we will never know what if and how would it be if this one peaked then, etc.
Federer was the GOAT of his era, Nadal was the GOAT of his (little) era and Novak is the goat of 2011 - Present.
Would peak Federer beat peak Sampras on grass...who knows.
There are many factors beyond great shots, movement and endurance.

 

[Tennisanity]

Well, it is cracked somewhere and leaking shiat...
Because we will never know what if and how would it be if this one peaked then, etc.
Federer was the GOAT of his era, Nadal was the GOAT of his (little) era and Novak is the goat of 2011 - Present.
Would peak Federer beat peak Sampras on grass...who knows.
There are many factors beyond great shots, movement and endurance.

If you already presumed we will never know, then why even ask me if I have a crystal ball?

Baby Fed beat defending champ Pete on grass. Fed then backed it up winning 7 Wimby (so no need to bring up Stackhowsky )

 

[Steve0904]

Djokovic wouldn't only win a CYGS, he would have to win 6 slams in a row. I don't think that's even possible, but the sky is the limit, I guess.

And he shouldn't retire, because I want to see him play for a couple of years

Why would it not be possible? He has 4 of the 6 right now and he'll be the pretty big favourite for Wimbledon and the USO.

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

No way Djoko would retire even if he does it. The more Djoko wins the more hungry and determined to do more. The guy loves tennis, being no1 and dominating everyone and all tournaments. Plus he wants to catch federer and Nadal in nearly everything, especially the majors.

 

[mattosgrant]

Hard to say. On numbers (with only 14 slams to Federer's 17) I wouldn't give it to him, but some others would. Federer and Djokovic are too similar in other areas numbers wise for a CYGS to make up for a 3 slam gap IMO.

The thing is a lot of people make a big deal of the Career Slam and the Grand Slam is easily a good 3, 4, or 5 times more impressive than the Career Slam. Based on that I would say the Grand Slam would be worth a good 3 slams atleast.

I think it is moot as I fully expect Djokovic will not complete the Grand Slam and will be pleasantly surprised if he does. I see him winning 1 of Wimbledon or the Open, not both.

 

[mattosgrant]

Why would it not be possible? He has 4 of the 6 right now and he'll be the pretty big favourite for Wimbledon and the USO.

He always is vurnerable at Wimbledon IMO, despite that he has 3 titles. I honestly think he is a big overachiever there. Murray, old Federer (although probably not this year given how things are, even if he plays), Raonic, all can have a decent shot vs him there this year IMO, along with a big serving/big hitting floater like Anderson.

US Open, well if he hasn't won Wimbledon he is the clear favorite there. However if he did win Wimbledon and the Grand Slam is now on the line, he will have the overbearing pressure Serena had last year, and we all remember what happened.

 

[dr325i]

If you already presumed we will never know, then why even ask me if I have a crystal ball?

Baby Fed beat defending champ Pete on grass. Fed then backed it up winning 7 Wimby (so no need to bring up Stackhowsky )

I did not ask you anything...read again...
Anyway, how many Wimbledons did Sampras win after that loss? Maybe Pete was not at his best in 2001?
Just like how many did Federer win after 2012?
simply, change of generations...hence, "what if" does not really apply...

 

[Tennisanity]

I did not ask you anything...read again...
Anyway, how many Wimbledons did Sampras win after that loss? Maybe Pete was not at his best in 2001?
Just like how many did Federer win after 2012?
simply, change of generations...hence, "what if" does not really apply...

LOL, there may not have been a question mark, but you were essentially asking or otherwise being sarcastic so I of course responded in kind.

Sampras won no Wimbledons after that but he was still capable of winning slams. You asked if peak Federer would be capable of beating Sampras on grass, sure he is capable of it, why not. Would he actually do it? Well he did beat Sampras on grass, what more do you need? What ifs can always apply. That's the whole point of discussion forums, 90% of it is what ifs.

 

[ultradr]

Djokovic is not going to retire until he achieves 6+ year end #1. I think he will do it. That is real record to break and join this cool group of guys like Sampras, Gonzalez and Laver.

 

[StannisTheMannis]

Hard to say. On numbers (with only 14 slams to Federer's 17) I wouldn't give it to him, but some others would. Federer and Djokovic are too similar in other areas numbers wise for a CYGS to make up for a 3 slam gap IMO.

He'd fall shy by small amounts in the two important measures; slams and weeks at number 1. He'd be 2nd but nobody could put him above Federer even with the CYGS