If Djokovic wins USO...

[SpicyCurry1990]

Believe me, if I was a Novak fan, I'd believe Rafa was still every bit as great on clay today as he was in 2008 too buddy. Coming from someone that's seen 95% of Nadal's matches since 2006, I believe it's fair to say I might know what I'm talking about. Hell, Nadal almost lost to Ferrer twice last year on clay! This year Almagro, Ferrer and almost Nishikori. Scary stuff indeed. Peak golden bull.

I said Nadal on clay in 2012 was as good as 2010 and then also said Nadal in 2014 has declined. Where does that lead you to the preposterous position that anyone said Nadal on clay now is equal to 2008?

For seeing 95% of Nadal's matches you sure don't remember his RG 2012 run vs his RG 2010 run.

2012:

6-2 6-2 6-1
6-2 6-2 6-0
6-1 6-3 6-4
6-2 6-0 6-0
7-6 6-2 6-3
6-2 6-2 6-1
6-4 6-3 2-6 7-5 vs Djokovic

Total Games Dropped: 51 (including 18 plus a set to Djokovic)

2010:

6-2 6-2 6-2
6-2 6-2 6-3
6-3 6-4 6-3
6-2 7-5 6-4
7-6 7-6 6-4
6-2 6-3 7-6
6-4 6-2 6-4

Total Games dropped: 71

But I guess this clearly shows that Nadal was out of his clay prime in 2012, but firmly in it in 2010

 

[Mr.Snrub]

Can't believe Djokovic still has a rabid fanbase...I thought anyone with any decency stopped cheering for him after this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxzIfPxbdGI

 

[MichaelNadal]

I said Nadal on clay in 2012 was as good as 2010 and then also said Nadal in 2014 has declined. Where does that lead you to the preposterous position that anyone said Nadal on clay now is equal to 2008?

For seeing 95% of Nadal's matches you sure don't remember his RG 2012 run vs his RG 2010 run.

2012:

6-2 6-2 6-1
6-2 6-2 6-0
6-1 6-3 6-4
6-2 6-0 6-0
7-6 6-2 6-3
6-2 6-2 6-1
6-4 6-3 2-6 7-5 vs Djokovic

Total Games Dropped: 51 (including 18 plus a set to Djokovic)

2010:

6-2 6-2 6-2
6-2 6-2 6-3
6-3 6-4 6-3
6-2 7-5 6-4
7-6 7-6 6-4
6-2 6-3 7-6
6-4 6-2 6-4

Total Games dropped: 71

But I guess this clearly shows that Nadal was out of his clay prime in 2012, but firmly in it in 2010

Was Federer in his grass prime in Wimbledon 2012 or 2014 do you have more candy-crane cherry pickers in your backyard?

 

[SpicyCurry1990]

Retract WHAT? I answered your question about NADAL since you asked it. Had you not said that there would have been no RESPONSE to your POST. get it?

And I showed how your answer was garbage. You literally said yes Nole won't be old for 6 more years while Nadal is old now due to mileage, however, I have shown you there is less than 2 years separating them in mileage. So again retract that garbage.

Yes, actually dear, that's PRECISELY how it went in his clay prime.

You mean like in 2008 in his absolute clay peak when he lost to Juan Carlos Ferrero at Rome?

 

[SpicyCurry1990]

Was Federer in his grass prime in Wimbledon 2012 or 2014 do you have more candy-crane cherry pickers in your backyard?

Compare how many games Federer lost at Wimbledon 2012 vs Wimbledon 05?

Nadal literally lost 20 less games at RG 2012 vs RG2010 and dominated MC/Rome as well. His results across the board indicate higher level clay play in 2012 vs 2010 save the blue clay fiasco.

Its not cherry picking, its you refusing to acknowledge Nole was beating Nadal in his clay prime.

05-13 is Nadal's clay prime. 08 RG is the absolute peak.

14 has shown marked decline.

 

[MichaelNadal]

And I showed how your answer was garbage. You literally said yes Nole won't be old for 6 more years while Nadal is old now due to mileage, however, I have shown you there is less than 2 years separating them in mileage. So again retract that garbage.


You mean like in 2008 in his absolute clay peak when he lost to Juan Carlos Ferrero at Rome?

Really? I thought I said I didn't want to hear a single excuse from Djokovic 2011 when Djokovic is Federer's age because he doesn't want to hear anything about Federer's age now. Don't put words in my mouth. People do that when they have nothing to fall back on and get lost in their own arguments.


Did you see the match? Or more specifically his feet? I can't blame you though, it's literally the only straw in the field for you to grasp :lol:!!!

 

[MichaelNadal]

Compare how many games Federer lost at Wimbledon 2012 vs Wimbledon 05?

Nadal literally lost 20 less games at RG 2012 vs RG2010 and dominated MC/Rome as well. His results across the board indicate higher level clay play in 2012 vs 2010 save the blue clay fiasco.

Its not cherry picking, its you refusing to acknowledge Nole was beating Nadal in his clay prime.

05-13 is Nadal's clay prime. 08 RG is the absolute peak.

14 has shown marked decline.

I don't refuse to ackowledge anything because Djokovic has never won the French Open :lol: Like Serena said in 2009.... hey, Safina did a great job.... she won Rome and Madrid :lol: I don't lose sleep over those tournaments buddy, believe me.

 

[Mayonnaise]

Yes, he did. What's your point? (Djokovic did it SEVEN TIMES. Wawrinka did it once. Which do you think is the achievement worth nothing? Take your time, I don't want you to hurt yourself trying to figure this one out)

And you can call Federer any name you want to make him as old as you want. It's irrelevant. His consistency is all that matters.

Wait, all of Djokovic's 7 Slams are strong? :lol:

1. 2008 AO - against mono Federer the same year Federer won USO
2. 2014 Wimbledon - Grandfatherer
3. 2013 AO - A Murray that needed 5 sets against *******
4. 2011 Wimbledon - A Nadal that would be 5-5 in his next 10 grass matches

So he has, what, 3 impressive Slams? Or do you have other trolls to do?

 

[SpicyCurry1990]

Really? I thought I said I didn't want to hear a single excuse from Djokovic 2011 when Djokovic is Federer's age because he doesn't want to hear anything about Federer's age now. Don't put words in my mouth. People do that when they have nothing to fall back on and get lost in their own arguments.

Do I need to quote this AGAIN?

So Nadal is old now, but Nole will be old in 2020?

In mileage, yes. Nadal has been in the mix since 04.

This was your exact reply. Yes 6 years of mileage separation between the two, when I directly asked you a question. I have since shown you its less than 2. But you refusing to admit your BS.

Did you see the match? Or more specifically his feet? I can't blame you though, it's literally the only straw in the field for you to grasp :lol:!!!

You said Nadal DID NOT LOSE AT ALL in his clay prime. All I need is 1 loss to once AGAIN disprove your BS.

 

[Djokovic2011]

I don't refuse to ackowledge anything because Djokovic has never won the French Open :lol: Like Serena said in 2009.... hey, Safina did a great job.... she won Rome and Madrid :lol: I don't lose sleep over those tournaments buddy, believe me.

So you're saying that the Masters don't matter MN? And Novak has 2 RU and 4 SF at RG which is the equivalent of 1 title as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Tony48]

Wait, all of Djokovic's 7 Slams are strong? :lol:

1. 2008 AO - against mono Federer the same year Federer won USO
2. 2014 Wimbledon - Grandfatherer
3. 2013 AO - A Murray that needed 5 sets against *******
4. 2011 Wimbledon - A Nadal that would be 5-5 in his next 10 grass matches

So he has, what, 3 impressive Slams? Or do you have other trolls to do?

We're talking about the consistency of each players' competition and you're trying to shift the goal posts again

Mathematically speaking, 70% of Federer's slams came from inconsistent competition. If only Djokovic got to inflate his slam count by 70% facing inconsistent players.....

 

[MichaelNadal]

Do I need to quote this AGAIN?





This was your exact reply. Yes 6 years of mileage separation between the two, when I directly asked you a question. I have since shown you its less than 2. But you refusing to admit your BS.



You said Nadal DID NOT LOSE AT ALL in his clay prime. All I need is 1 loss to once AGAIN disprove your BS.

Ok buddy you clearly care a lot more than I do at the end of the day. 14>>>>>>>>>>>>7. I'm literally on here because I'm at work bored and it's passing the time until I'm off this weekend for my bday. I'm in too good of a mood to care about this trivial b.s right now :lol: Nadal is a legend and as long as he's on tour I'm content.

 

[SpicyCurry1990]

I don't refuse to ackowledge anything because Djokovic has never won the French Open :lol: Like Serena said in 2009.... hey, Safina did a great job.... she won Rome and Madrid :lol: I don't lose sleep over those tournaments buddy, believe me.

You are changing the subject.

Djokovic not winning the FO has nothing to do with you refusing to acknowledge Djokovic beat Nadal in his clay prime. Its not about you losing sleep over the loses, its about everything across the board showing Nadal's clay level in 2012 is at if not greater than 2010 and yet you claim that his clay prime ended in 2010.

 

[Djokovic2011]

Ok buddy you clearly care a lot more than I do at the end of the day. 14>>>>>>>7. I'm literally on here because I'm at work bored and it's passing the time until I'm off this weekend for my bday. I'm in too good of a mood to care about this trivial b.s right now :lol: Nadal is a legend and as long as he's on tour I'm content.

Fixed it for you again babe.

 

[MichaelNadal]

You are changing the subject.

Djokovic not winning the FO has nothing to do with you refusing to acknowledge Djokovic beat Nadal in his clay prime. Its not about you losing sleep over the loses, its about everything across the board showing Nadal's clay level in 2012 is at if not greater than 2010 and yet you claim that his clay prime ended in 2010.

Djokovic BEAT Nadal on clay regardless of if it was his peak or prime or not. Yes he played better in 2012 than 2011. That was a 3 month period of his best form. He's been past his PEAK level on clay since 2010. Djokovic beasted at the end of last year indoors, it doesn't mean he was playing as well as he was in 2011 though now does it?

 

[MichaelNadal]

Fixed it for you again babe.

Actually you didn't change a thing either time. Which honestly... means you did fix it because it wasn't broken. You can't tell me how I feel boo bear, but you may be able to relate if Novak gets just one of these

 

[SpicyCurry1990]

Ok buddy you clearly care a lot more than I do at the end of the day. 14>>>>>>>>>>>>7. I'm literally on here because I'm at work bored and it's passing the time until I'm off this weekend for my bday. I'm in too good of a mood to care about this trivial b.s right now :lol: Nadal is a legend and as long as he's on tour I'm content.

lol so its only trivial bs once you know you are wrong?

Nadal IS a legend and as his fan you should be content as anything he does from now on his gravy. No argument Nadal>Nole in legacy or that Nole has been unable to beat even a declined Nadal at the FO this year.

Doesn't change the fact everything you have said in regards to him not losing ever in his clay prime, his clay prime ending in 2010, djokovic not beating him in his clay prime has all been demonstrably proven wrong and you refuse to admit it as was you saying that there is 6 years of mileage separating the two.

 

[Djokovic2011]

Djokovic BEAT Nadal on clay regardless of if it was his peak or prime or not. Yes he played better in 2012 than 2011. That was a 3 month period of his best form. He's been past his PEAK level on clay since 2010. Djokovic beasted at the end of last year indoors, it doesn't mean he was playing as well as he was in 2011 though now does it?

But like Spicy said MN, if Nadal hadn't lost those two matches on clay to Nole in 2011, you would consider that year as part of his peak also. :wink:

 

[Djokovic2011]

Actually you didn't change a thing either time. Which honestly... means you did fix it because it wasn't broken. You can't tell me how I feel boo bear, but you may be able to relate if Novak gets just one of these

I changed the amount of > to seven boo bear. :wink:

 

[MichaelNadal]

I changed the amount of > to seven boo bear. :wink:

That gap looks sexy either way :twisted:

But like Spicy said MN, if Nadal hadn't lost those two matches on clay to Nole in 2011, you would consider that year as part of his peak also. :wink:

No I wouldn't because his form was awful even at the FO in the first week. Like I said, had Novak beaten him in 2009 when he got close, I'd still say 05-2010. I don't care about taking trivial, useless credit away from matches Novak won fair and square. When someone is past their peak though or in their 30's, there's no reason for fanboys to get upset and pretend that isn't the case.

 

[Mayonnaise]

We're talking about the consistency of each players' competition and you're trying to shift the goal posts again

Mathematically speaking, 70% of Federer's slams came from inconsistent competition. If only Djokovic got to inflate his slam count by 70% facing inconsistent players.....

Why is competition from consistent players stronger than competition from inconsistent but more dangerous players like Safin? Murray can be incredibly consistent, but he's never beating Prime Federer at a Slam. Safin beat peak Federer.

If only Federer was peaking today. He'd have 3 Calendar Year Slams

 

[Djokovic2011]

That gap looks sexy either way :twisted:

Not for much longer babes. :razz:

 

[Djokovic2011]

If only Federer was peaking today. He'd have 3 Calendar Year Slams

 

[MichaelNadal]

Not for much longer babes. :razz:

I wonder why you're so secure? :twisted: surely this is the toughest era ever?

 

[Mayonnaise]

You know it's true

Wimbledon: He'd own it
US Open: Same
French Open: Who's gonna stop him? Onelegdal? Chokovic? :lol:


AO would be the only doubtful one, but Djokovic has a hard time with even Wawrinka there :lol: Peak Federer can take care of Backray and Oldal with ease. And there is zero depth.

 

[Tony48]

Why is competition from consistent players stronger than competition from inconsistent but more dangerous players like Safin?

How are you dangerous if you don't even show up? Are you supposed to scare your competition from the locker room?

Federer: Oh man, Safin lost 3 rounds ago.....but boy is he scary!

:lol:

On top of that, consistent players stand a chance to actually, you know, WIN. And sometimes, you know, they DO. Why do I even have to explain this?

And on that note, I'm going to bed.

 

[Mayonnaise]

I wonder why you're so secure? :twisted: surely this is the toughest era ever?

You should ask yourself this question: why are Djokovic fans so happy these days?

The answer is: because they know this era is a black hole era where Slams will be attracted to Djokovic just because everybody else is so weak that wins repel them :lol:

 

[Djokovic2011]

You know it's true

Wimbledon: He'd own it
US Open: Same
French Open: Who's gonna stop him? Onelegdal? Chokovic? :lol:


AO would be the only doubtful one, but Djokovic has a hard time with even Wawrinka there :lol: Peak Federer can take care of Backray and Oldal with ease. And there is zero depth.

Nole would wipe him off the court at AO so there goes your grand slam. :twisted:

 

[MichaelNadal]

You know it's true

Wimbledon: He'd own it
US Open: Same
French Open: Who's gonna stop him? Onelegdal? Chokovic? :lol:


AO would be the only doubtful one, but Djokovic has a hard time with even Wawrinka there :lol: Peak Federer can take care of Backray and Oldal with ease. And there is zero depth.

I think Rafa is wristdal right now.

 

[Djokovic2011]

I wonder why you're so secure? :twisted: surely this is the toughest era ever?

I never said it was the toughest era ever babe, not by a long chalk.

 

[Mayonnaise]

How are you dangerous if you don't even show up? Are you supposed to scare your competition from the locker room?

Federer: Oh man, Safin lost 3 rounds ago.....but boy is he scary!

:lol:

Did Federer lose AO 2005 to Safin from 3 rounds away? :lol: Murray can reach prime Federer a 1000 times. He's not beating him in Slams.

On top of that, consistent players stand a chance to actually, you know, WIN. And sometimes, you know, they DO. Why do I even have to explain this?

And on that note, I'm going to bed.

Oh yes! The consistent Murray that beat Federer at so many Slams! Oh wait, he just beat a 31 year-old Federer when he was gassed out in the 5th set having been in another 5-setter just the round before!

 

[Mayonnaise]

Nole would wipe him off the court at AO so there goes your grand slam. :twisted:

Nole is being wiped off the court by Wawrinka :lol:

If not for the bad line call, Wawrinka would've beaten him in 2013, too. There goes your claim about Djokovic being so dominant

 

[MichaelNadal]

I guess we should ALL just shut up, have a seat, and see what happens in the next 2 slams, no?

 

[Djokovic2011]

Nole is being wiped off the court by Wawrinka :lol:

Are you saying that Nole should never lose to anyone at AO Mayo?

 

[Mayonnaise]

I guess we should ALL just shut up, have a seat, and see what happens in the next 2 slams, no?

Unless Nadal faked his wrist injury, this is what's gonna happen:

1. Djokovic to cakewalk his way to the USO title. Grandfatherer and Backray aren't beating him. Wristdal may not even make it far. Only a GOATing Wawrinka can take him out, but nobody knows when Wawrinka will show up.

2. Djokovic's best Slam against an even older Grandfatherer, Backray, and Onelegdal. Again, only Wawrinka to worry about.

 

[SoBad]

Nadal tosses two master bones to the field and all the trolls go nuts.:lol:

 

[Mayonnaise]

Are you saying that Nole should never lose to anyone at AO Mayo?

I'm saying Djokovic is not Prime Nadal at the French Open. Peak Federer can and will beat this version of him. Even Djokovic is past his peak.

 

[MichaelNadal]

Unless Nadal faked his wrist injury, this is what's gonna happen:

1. Djokovic to cakewalk his way to the USO title. Grandfatherer and Backray aren't beating him. Wristdal may not even make it far. Only a GOATing Wawrinka can take him out, but nobody knows when Wawrinka will show up.

2. Djokovic's best Slam against an even older Grandfatherer, Backray, and Onelegdal. Again, only Wawrinka to worry about.

I hope not man, that sounds incredibly boring but I don't see it going any other way. I'd rather someone new win.

 

[Mayonnaise]

I hope not man, that sounds incredibly boring but I don't see it going any other way. I'd rather someone new win.

Honestly, I'm not buying Nadal's injury yet. I guess we'll see, depending on if he plays the US Open, and how he looks. I see Nadal as a threat at the AO, regardless. Even if he's injured, he'll have recovered in the off-season.

 

[MichaelNadal]

Honestly, I'm not buying Nadal's injury yet. I guess we'll see, depending on if he plays the US Open, and how he looks. I see Nadal as a threat at the AO, regardless. Even if he's injured, he'll have recovered in the off-season.

Yeah this year went by FAST didn't it? Already August. When Nadal lost the AO final this year I was thinking he'd be too spent/done by the 2015 AO, but it's only 5 months away. These next 6 months will be either a complete bore-fest or the last stand of Nadal.

 

[Mayonnaise]

Yeah this year went by FAST didn't it? Already August. When Nadal lost the AO final this year I was thinking he'd be too spent/done by the 2015 AO, but it's only 5 months away. These next 6 months will be either a complete bore-fest or the last stand of Nadal.

Nadal's level really dropped off after the AO. After last year, I thought he had 2 more good years in him. But again, Nadal is unpredictable. He could have a great season next year. I've learned my lesson never to count him out.

As a Federer fan, though, I must confess I won't particularly miss Nadal

 

[MichaelNadal]

Nadal's level really dropped off after the AO. After last year, I thought he had 2 more good years in him. But again, Nadal is unpredictable. He could have a great season next year. I've learned my lesson never to count him out.

As a Federer fan, though, I must confess I won't particularly miss Nadal

I have to be honest, I can't see Nadal having a good season next year, I think it's gonna be ugly. I certainly won't count him out though, like you said... it IS Nadal :lol: I mean it's 2014 and he was world #1 this year... I'd have thought someone was on crack if they told me that in 2008.

 

[Mayonnaise]

I have to be honest, I can't see Nadal having a good season next year, I think it's gonna be ugly. I certainly won't count him out though, like you said... it IS Nadal :lol: I mean it's 2014 and he was world #1 this year... I'd have thought someone was on crack if they told me that in 2008.

I think 2016 will be ugly for Nadal. Maybe even for Djokovic.

The jury's out on 2015. I can definitely see Nadal winning multiple Slams, though I agree it's unlikely.

 

[Mayonnaise]

LMFAO omg ok Mayo I am officially done talking to you regarding this topic.

Literally think Federer would beat Nadal...ON CLAY...At The FRENCH OPEN wow...and you think 35 year old Agassi would beat Prime Djokovic too?

Federer in 2006 went toe-to-toe with a much better Nadal in Rome. And took the first set 6-1 at the French. He would beat 2013/2014 Nadal with ease. Don't take my word for it. Ask MichaelNadal, who is a Nadal fan.

Also, I didn't say 35 year-old Agassi would beat Djokovic. I said it's ridiculous to assume that Djokovic would beat him and that current Nadal would beat peak Federer at the French Open.

 

[Mayonnaise]

LMAO yes because facing Gonzales, Baghdatis, Hewitt, Roddick, Agassi for 7 of your HC/Grass slams instead of peak Murray/Nadal would result in Fed going 7-0 as well:lol:

No version of Murray would beat Prime Federer at a Slam. We've been through this, and you know it.

As for Nadal, he was in his peak in 2008-2009. Djokovic didn't beat peak Nadal. He beat prime Nadal. Federer was the one that had to deal with peak Nadal, and paid a dear price for it.

 

[Mayonnaise]

No one said time stops for anyone, but:

Agassi, 8 time slam winner, wins slam at 33. Pushes the GOAT, at this peak, to 5 sets at age 34. Coincidence?

Peaked at 29, very less mileage.

Connors, 8 time slam winner, wins 3 slams in his 30s. Coincidence?

Oh yes, use the player with one of the greatest longevities ever as the rule :lol:

Laver, 11 time slam winner, wins 5 slams in his 30s. Coincidence?

Emerson, 12 time slam winner, wins 3 slams in his 30s. Coincidence?

I think there is a trend here....

Yes, go back to the dinosaur era, where the game was nowhere near as athletic as it is today :lol:

How well did Sampras and Borg do in their 30s? You know, the 2 greatest Open Era champions after Federer?

 

[FreeBird]

No version of Murray would beat Prime Federer at a Slam. We've been through this, and you know it.

As for Nadal, he was in his peak in 2008-2009. Djokovic didn't beat peak Nadal. He beat prime Nadal. Federer was the one that had to deal with peak Nadal, and paid a dear price for it.

That's why Delpo and Murray thrashed him at USO 2008-09. Make some sense.

Stop making excuses. Federer doesn't know how to deal with Nadal. Peak or not.

 

[Mayonnaise]

That's why Delpo and Murray thrashed him at USO 2008-09. Make some sense.

AO - 2009 was his peak
FO - 2008 was his peak
Wimbledon - 2008 was his peak

Only at the USO and WTF was 2010 his peak.

Djokovic beat 2011 Nadal. You could argue he was in his Hardcourt peak in 2011, despite the loss to freaking Ferrer at the AO, but Nadal was better in 2008-2009 at 3 of the Slams compared to anytime else.

 

[Mayonnaise]

Stop making excuses. Federer doesn't know how to deal with Nadal. Peak or not.

Neither does Djokovic, really. He is, what, 3-9 against Nadal at Slams? Not much better than 2-9.

 

[FreeBird]

AO - 2009 was his peak
FO - 2008 was his peak
Wimbledon - 2008 was his peak

Only at the USO and WTF was 2010 his peak.

Djokovic beat 2011 Nadal. You could argue he was in his Hardcourt peak in 2011, despite the loss to freaking Ferrer at the AO, but Nadal was better in 2008-2009 at 3 of the Slams compared to anytime else.

Agree about RG 2008. But rest, I don't. At W, his peak lasted till 2011.