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Bionic Poster
I thought connors win total was out of reach. I might think differently if he can close the deal here.
Is 2017 Federer really better than 2006-2009 Federer?
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ACE of Hearts
Bionic Poster
Whateva floats your boat. The guy's the best to ever play the game bar none.
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Fedfan34
Guest
With gains at net, return of serve, serve, and overall focus and willpower.
Devin
Semi-Pro
AceSalvo
Legend
Atherton2003
Hall of Fame
Fed didn't really play anybody that was a challenge in this Wimbledon...I don't feel he's a better player now - just the luck of the draw for him.
mavsman149
Hall of Fame
You nailed it except Fed 14-15 is better than 17
RFGOAT1992
Semi-Pro
2006-2009 federer is an athlethic beast, 2017 federer is a Mental God
KingKyrgios
Professional
Cmon now his groundstrokes were abysmal in 2014 he was basically a servebot lmao
There are a large number of delusional people, most of them Nadal/Djoker fans, who believe that the field now is much stronger, and that it wasn't in Fed's prime years, thus his achievements mean nothing. They of course have no actual basis for this nonsense, its based on the argument that because Fed dominated, hence it must have been a weak field, and because he wasn't losing to Nadal/Djok who by assumption are greats 
Ray Mercer
Hall of Fame
Federer's ground game is knowhere near what it was in 2004-2007. Go watch YouTube highlights of Federer in the 2006 masters cup against Blake and Nadal. You don't realize how much slower and less explosive he is until you watch videos from those years. The masters cup final against Blake is the sickest tennis I've ever seen in my life next to the roddick demolition in the 2007 Aussie.
VaporDude95
Banned
2017 Fed worse than 2010-2011 Fed??? Nahhh fam
MasturB
Legend
Yeah I usually group it as:
2006
2004-2005
2007
2009
2017
2008/2010
2011-2012
2003
2014-2016.5
2013
Anything Pre-2003
If Fed wins Wimby, I move 2017 above 2009. If he wins USO I move 2017 above 2007.
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Charlemagne
Hall of Fame
It's not even close. Watch 2005 USO final or the 2008 USO final
Pablo1989
Hall of Fame
Watch 2015 Wimbledon semifinal against Murray
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Fedfan34
Guest
>more bagels in 2006
>focused more on points back then
>Better top 10 with bigger games
>Better racket tech
>Better strings
>Bigger serves
Devin
Semi-Pro
>Better top 10 with bigger games
>Better racket tech
>Better strings
>Bigger serves
Here's one of your posts on one of my old threads.
>Federer is widely regarded to have GOAT FH
>Djokovic 2015 FH was better than Federer 2017 FH
>All of the pros are wrong. Djokovic has the GOAT FH
Every expert would disagree with you.
If you're going to troll, try harder. It's as simple as that.
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
You must have been born in 2009. You very clearly never bothered or weren't alive to have seen peak Fed, which was 2003-2007.
Quick question for you: did peak Roger skip the clay season to save his mind and body?
Why would any player in peak form do that when he was one leg up on the CYGS?
Please ponder that question for awhile.
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Deleted member 742196
Guest
2017 Federer is using extremely high tennis IQ, he ruthlessly exploits the opponent's weaknesses. He isn't stubborn about doing whatever it takes to win a match.
I reckon 2017 would target that backhand of 2007. He'd pull 2007 all over the court and make things uncomfortable.
2017 isn't just using serve/volley, he's using return/volleys. Gives absolutely no rhythm at all. I think it would be an interesting match. Don't know if he'd win, but I'm quite confident it would be competitive.
I reckon 2017 would target that backhand of 2007. He'd pull 2007 all over the court and make things uncomfortable.
2017 isn't just using serve/volley, he's using return/volleys. Gives absolutely no rhythm at all. I think it would be an interesting match. Don't know if he'd win, but I'm quite confident it would be competitive.
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Deleted member 307496
Guest
Fed was better in 2002-2003 than he was in 2013 or 2016 LOL.
Devin
Semi-Pro
You're underestimating 2007 Federer's backhand. It was really only, to me, a weakness against Nadal, not anyone else.
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Deleted member 307496
Guest
Racquets and strings have barely changed since 2004 lmao...>Better top 10 with bigger games
>Better racket tech
>Better strings
>Bigger serves
The top 10 now sucks even worse than the top 10 back then.
Zaerop
Rookie
Federer now is much more evenly matched for Nadal stylistically, but that doesn't mean he's better than he used to be. Nadal has significantly declined as well.
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Deleted member 307496
Guest
Murray is overrated.
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Fedfan34
Guest
Here's one of your posts on one of my old threads.
>Federer is widely regarded to have GOAT FH
>Djokovic 2015 FH was better than Federer 2017 FH
>All of the pros are wrong. Djokovic has the GOAT FH
Every expert would disagree with you.
If you're going to troll, try harder. It's as simple as that.
Every expert would disagree with your assessment that Federer is worse now than then, as Mac, Gilbert, Agassi & friends have repeatedly said this is the best they've ever seen him play, ergo you're wrong and I'm right
The beautiful thing about opinions is that one can change them as they acquire more facts.
Devin
Semi-Pro
Every expert would disagree with your assessment that Federer is worse now than then, as Mac, Gilbert, Agassi & friends have repeatedly said this is the best they've ever seen him play, ergo you're wrong and I'm right
The beautiful thing about opinions is that one can change them as they acquire more facts.
http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2017...r-federer-wimbledon-grass-court-season/66885/
Nope. Try again.
AiRFederer
Hall of Fame
I actually can't believe this is a discussion every time someone brings it up. No, and it is not even close.
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Deleted member 742196
Guest
Maybe, but really the backhand and perhaps 2007 primarily being a baseliner, is all I can really think of as areas 2017 could think about in terms of where to attack.
2017 is is high octane offense built around first strike play patterns. Extremely disruptive.
2007 had almost every shot, and the mobility to begin return games with a neutral return.
I think 2017 is playing exceptionally smart tennis, how that translates against 2007 is anyone's guess - I think it might be competitive for a set, maybe 2 but not at GS level.
This then begs the obvious question - if 2017 couldn't really compete with 2007 was it really a weak era?
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Deleted member 307496
Guest
And anybody without an agenda can see they are just trying to draw viewer popularity back into the sport.Every expert would disagree with your assessment that Federer is worse now than then, as Mac, Gilbert, Agassi & friends have repeatedly said this is the best they've ever seen him play, ergo you're wrong and I'm right
The beautiful thing about opinions is that one can change them as they acquire more facts.
Every expert would disagree with your assessment that Federer is worse now than then, as Mac, Gilbert, Agassi & friends have repeatedly said this is the best they've ever seen him play, ergo you're wrong and I'm right
The beautiful thing about opinions is that one can change them as they acquire more facts.
Words come from the mouth of Agassi, John McEnroe, Wilander, Gibert don't hold any value because those men are not trustworthy. They are quick to jump in new ships. They change their mind every day. They say without thinking twice. So, we can hear and we can ignore them.
I respect opinions of Edberg, Becker, Pete Sampras or even Toni Nadal than anyone that you cited. They are real men with trustworthy opinions.
titoelcolombiano
Legend
I think it is just a case of his body still being in good enough condition and his game benefiting from years and years of experience and tweaking. He's been challenged by Rafa and Novak along the way and been forced to improve. I think if 2017 Fed played 2006 or 2007 Fed, the 2017 version would win based on that experience.
The_18th_Slam
Hall of Fame
It's not. It's just better against Nadal.
Devin
Semi-Pro
Oh really? But remember that these people are paid to make provocative statements. He really isn't playing better than he ever has.
Every expert would disagree with your assessment that Federer is worse now than then, as Mac, Gilbert, Agassi & friends have repeatedly said this is the best they've ever seen him play, ergo you're wrong and I'm right
The beautiful thing about opinions is that one can change them as they acquire more facts.
Hypocrite detected?
Steve0904
Talk Tennis Guru
I agree with the first and third sentences (although I'm less confident that 2017 Federer could hang with the 2007 version), but not the second one. At least not in the sense of "targeting" the BH. Only Nadal and only on clay targeted the BH to any great effect. It wasn't a targetable weakness outside of that so I don't think 2017 Fed could pick on a weakness.
Therefore I expect the younger Federer would wear down the older one over a BO5 match. Similarly to how prime Djokovic was doing it in 2014-15. If 2017 Fed is to have a chance he has to spot serve the lights out for 4+ hrs with basically no lapses, (i.e he can't really afford to have a game like he had against Raonic yesterday in the 3rd set) and obviously keep the points short, but that would be hard too considering the younger Fed had wicked passing shots.
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Fedfan34
Guest
Did you read the statements of mine that you posted?
Adv. Edberg
Legend
Sounds about right yep.
Hardly. No Safin, no Davydenko, no Roddick, no Hewitt, and the guys who stayed are old and out of form (like Ferrer).
smoledman
G.O.A.T.
Fed has literally outlasted all the 'New Balls'. There are still plenty of born in 1981/1982 guys playing but they are like David Ferrer, started getting top 10 in 2007. Not really his peer-group. Looking at the woeful state of Nolandy, he's about to outlast the 1986/1987 generation as well...
Noleberic123
G.O.A.T.
Lol
Noleberic123
G.O.A.T.
2006
2005
2004
2007
2009
2011-2012
2008
2014-2017
2010
2013
In terms of level that is
2005
2004
2007
2009
2011-2012
2008
2014-2017
2010
2013
In terms of level that is
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Deleted member 307496
Guest
No, but he seriously is.
1HBHNation
Rookie
I think his backhand is better. Intangibles and iq is better. But the movement athleticism and pure physical has slipped.
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