IS KIM Clijsters a SAINT ? Donates her entire prize money to Local Hospital.

Fedace

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Kim after winning a tough final against Justine at Brisbane international Donates her entire prize money to local children's hospital. Kim states she was touched by the Visit she made few weeks back and wanted to give something to help and hopes it will make a difference. :)
 
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joeri888

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It's very nice of her. I think she just appreciates a lot of things in life other than the money. She always seems a very modest and nice normal girl. Even more when speaking Dutch. I think her English is very good, but she comes across even more natural and 'girl next door' in Dutch. I like her a lot. Too bad her game is less beautiful than Henin's. That's why I will support Henin over her.
 
THUNDERVOLLEY

THUNDERVOLLEY

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Fedace said:
Kim after winning a tough final against Justine Donates her entire prize money to local children's hospital. Kim states she was touched by the Visit she made few weeks back and wanted to give something to help and hopes it will make a difference. :)
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...one would think no other tennis player ever donated various amounts of money to charities, etc......
 
skip1969

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wonderful gesture on her part. motherhood may have played a part, and the gratefulness that comes from having a healthy child.
 
shell

shell

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I imagine all of the top players donate a lot of money to various charities. Wether we know about it or not. it was a wonderful gesture by Kim - but let's also be honest - it was $30,000 or so. A drip in the bucket. She didn't need it, and found a place that did need it. Good for her, but certainly not to make other top players feel lesser human beings.
 
P_Agony

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It was an insane match, didn't get nearly the amount of focus it deserved here. Wonderful thing by Kim, very nice to see, hope she and Justine both have a great season.
 
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Chadwixx

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You start by saying you dont know if other players do it then build on the assumption that everyone else does it? Why are you trying to downplay her good deed?

Im glad kim did it, its about time the wta does something positive.
 
P_Agony

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Chadwixx said:
You start by saying you dont know if other players do it then build on the assumption that everyone else does it? Why are you trying to downplay her good deed?

Im glad kim did it, its about time the wta does something positive.
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Actually this Kim/Justine match was more than a positive thing. It was an epic, especially the final set TB.
 
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pound cat

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Fedace said:
Kim after winning a tough final against Justine at Brisbane international Donates her entire prize money to local children's hospital. Kim states she was touched by the Visit she made few weeks back and wanted to give something to help and hopes it will make a difference. :)
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No she's not a saint. She's a mother who realizes how lucky she is to have a healthy and happy and well looked after child. Millions of mothers (and fathers() would do the same if their finances allowed. And many of these good works are done anonymously so you never know who they are.
 
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Tennis_Monk

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Even if it is 1$ donation to a local hospital, that is one more dollar going to help some kids. I wouldnt belittle any amount of donation.

1$ is a lot of money in some parts of the world and she donated 30,000. I sincerely appreciate her efforts.I care less if it is a drop in a bucket for her and whatever her reasons are.

She deserves kudos for this!
 
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OrangeOne

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THUNDERVOLLEY said:
Incorrect, and i'm sure you will continue to be in the future....
...oh, wait...
There you go.
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You know, it's a positive thread, it's not a bashing thread. By saying "one player is fantastic / a saint / etc", one does not therefore say "other players are not".

If you can't follow that logic, there's no point having this conversation...
 
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Fedace

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stanfordtennis alum said:
she's the type of person the world of tennis needs and she is constantly seeking to help others and give back to community.. well done Kim!
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Well Said. maybe Kim will donate her entire prize money to Stanford hospital and clinics after she wins the tournament there......lol:)
 
THUNDERVOLLEY

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OrangeOne said:
You know, it's a positive thread, it's not a bashing thread. By saying "one player is fantastic / a saint / etc", one does not therefore say "other players are not".
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Incorrect again. The "saint" appellation implies a status not shared by most due to some very unusual action or behavior. Clijsters' giving feeling is not even remotely rare or unusual for tennis players (or other sportspersons), so by calling her out as a potential "saint," anyone can see that such a far-reaching comment skips over others just as giving with several donations, organizations, etc., hence the reason other members pointed out the charitable actions of others.

So again..you are incorrect...just as you are with the "bashing" comment.

If you fail to "get it" by now, you are simply trying to complain for no valid reason.
 
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sureshs

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How much app fees did she receive? I have read that app fees are legal in the ATP but not in the WTA. If she was paid app fees, has she been disclosing this on her taxes? Some of this charity stuff is an insurance against being investigated - to ensure a public uproar about how a nice woman is being harrassed.

Call me cynical, but I can't help thinking there is always an ulterior motive behind such things. No one likes to give away money.
 
pc1

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sureshs said:
How much app fees did she receive? I have read that app fees are legal in the ATP but not in the WTA. If she was paid app fees, has she been disclosing this on her taxes? Some of this charity stuff is an insurance against being investigated - to ensure a public uproar about how a nice woman is being harrassed.

Call me cynical, but I can't help thinking there is always an ulterior motive behind such things. No one likes to give away money.
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I saw the match and the ceremonies and when the moderator mentioned the Children's Hospital you could see Clijsters almost cry. She's not that good an actress.

The woman is lucky enough to have a healthy child and I'm sure she was very moved when she saw the children who were ill. She felt for the kids more because she had a child of her own.

The match was a great match by the way. Clijsters and Henin should be major factors at the Australian Open in a few days.
 
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sureshs

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pc1 said:
I saw the match and the ceremonies and when the moderator mentioned the Children's Hospital you could see Clijsters almost cry. She's not that good an actress.

The woman is lucky enough to have a healthy child and I'm sure she was very moved when she saw the children who were ill. She felt for the kids more because she had a child of her own.

The match was a great match by the way. Clijsters and Henin should be major factors at the Australian Open in a few days.
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I saw the match but did not sit thru the ceremonies.
 
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OrangeOne

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sureshs said:
How much app fees did she receive? I have read that app fees are legal in the ATP but not in the WTA. If she was paid app fees, has she been disclosing this on her taxes? Some of this charity stuff is an insurance against being investigated - to ensure a public uproar about how a nice woman is being harrassed.

Call me cynical, but I can't help thinking there is always an ulterior motive behind such things. No one likes to give away money.
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You're either being sarcastically facetious, or plain silly.

Pro players earn massive appearance fees, to assume these aren't being declared is ludicrous.

Also, to assume that people earning millions a year do not at least proportionally donate is ridiculous. Most people give away X% of their income to charity each year, it's easier for people on stratospheric incomes to donate proportionally that or more.
 
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sureshs

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OrangeOne said:
You're either being sarcastically facetious, or plain silly.

Pro players earn massive appearance fees, to assume these aren't being declared is ludicrous.

Also, to assume that people earning millions a year do not at least proportionally donate is ridiculous. Most people give away X% of their income to charity each year, it's easier for people on stratospheric incomes to donate proportionally that or more.
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I am going by what I have read, that WTA app fees are paid under the table. It used to be that way for ATP fees, till it was legalized. If something is being paid under the table, you think the recipient is paying tax on that? You are the one who seems to be silly.
 
Cesc Fabregas

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The prize money was only 37 thousand Australian dollars, thats not alot by todays standards. Thats why Clijsters donated the money to the hospital, because the prize money wasn't really worth anything to her.
 
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nikdom

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Great gesture. Her speech and motives seem heartfelt. But please also keep in mind its not a 6 or 7 figure amount like in a GS. Does not diminish her gesture, just puts it in a context.
 
THUNDERVOLLEY

THUNDERVOLLEY

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pc1 said:
I saw the match and the ceremonies and when the moderator mentioned the Children's Hospital you could see Clijsters almost cry. She's not that good an actress.
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She's been in the public eye around the globe for how long? Do you really think she's incapable of acting up for the audience when necessary? I'm not saying all who show various emotions in the public do this, but I am saying Clijsters is not beyond doing that for the kind of attempted PR seen in this thread.
 
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sureshs

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THUNDERVOLLEY said:
She's been in the public eye around the globe for how long? Do you really think she's incapable of acting up for the audience when necessary?
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I think she is a fake. That nice image is part of the act. The way she immediately hooked up with someone after splitting with Hewitt and then had the baby tells me she is very focused on getting what she wants. I prefer Justine who does not pretend to be nice and is honest and was really affected by her divorce from her husband.
 
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Annika

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Who cares whether she was pretending or not. She donated $$ to a children's hospital. I thoroughly enjoyed the match. Kim to me has all the shots and is very talented. Hope to continue to see her play more and more.
 
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OrangeOne

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sureshs said:
I am going by what I have read, that WTA app fees are paid under the table. It used to be that way for ATP fees, till it was legalized. If something is being paid under the table, you think the recipient is paying tax on that? You are the one who seems to be silly.
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Explain to me how tennis tournaments often run by open-book associations or companies in dozens of countries can get away with paying income to multinational individuals in documented transactions that are often (always) negotiated by professional management companies / managers by methods that are easily audited in a situation where both the tournaments are audited and the players, as high-income individuals are subjected to massive audit scruitiny....and I'll start drinking whatever you're selling....

Sorry for the bolding, but each bolded phrase compounds the ridiculousness of the situation you propose. No-one is getting away with appearance fees as non-taxable in a modern & electronic world.
 
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kelawai

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If I am not wrong. After winning her 05 US Open. She donated $20,000 or $40,000 to Hurricane Katrina Charities and the rest other players follow next.

Maybe this amount of money don't mean anything to her. It meant a lot for the unfortunate.

Big or small, a dollar is still a donation too.
 
Fedace

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kelawai said:
If I am not wrong. After winning her 05 US Open. She donated $20,000 or $40,000 to Hurricane Katrina Charities and the rest other players follow next.

Maybe this amount of money don't mean anything to her. It meant a lot for the unfortunate.

Big or small, a dollar is still a donation too.
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i do have to admit,,, there is a tax write off involved here.....:)
 
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Fedace said:
Kim after winning a tough final against Justine at Brisbane international Donates her entire prize money to local children's hospital. Kim states she was touched by the Visit she made few weeks back and wanted to give something to help and hopes it will make a difference. :)
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Wow has Serena does something like this? Or did she donate her entire prize money to diamond earings usually?
 
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sureshs

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OrangeOne said:
Explain to me how tennis tournaments often run by open-book associations or companies in dozens of countries can get away with paying income to multinational individuals in documented transactions that are often (always) negotiated by professional management companies / managers by methods that are easily audited in a situation where both the tournaments are audited and the players, as high-income individuals are subjected to massive audit scruitiny....and I'll start drinking whatever you're selling....

Sorry for the bolding, but each bolded phrase compounds the ridiculousness of the situation you propose. No-one is getting away with appearance fees as non-taxable in a modern & electronic world.
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Read this and learn the facts before posting whatever you feel like. Only this month has the WTA made app fees legal. Pay close attention to this remark from a player who obviously is not named - what she is saying is that now taxes have to be paid since income is legal. Understood? And bolding something doesn't prove you know anything, so stop doing it.

According to one player, the only complaint may concern the income tax ramifications, with what was often occurring under-the-lap now out in the open.

http://www.watoday.com.au/sport/ten...en-light-to-appearance-pay-20100112-m4rh.html
 
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anointedone

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It was a nice thing to do but this whole sainthoodness is ridiculous. As THUNDERVOLLEY said many pro athletes give donations of large sums of money. Especially really successful ones, this actually is chump change for someone like Kim. Dont try and make it out to be anymore than it is.
 
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tintin

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Federer;Agassi;Mauresmo;Clijsters;Hantuchova;Safin not only organized a fund raiser right on Ashe stadium for Tsunami relief but gave hundreds of thousands of their own $ but gave their shoes and gear to be auctioned off:)

they did the same for Katrina(same people + Nadal/Huber) too and it wasn't until after public outcry that Venus who claimed that she wasn't aware of Katrina:shock: and Serena who was parading with a new pair of tacky gold earrings and chain for every match that they scrambled to give $:roll:
 
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nikdom

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Pretty good move P.R wise too. Best goodwill to be had for 37,000 AUS dollars even if she was genuine in her intent. I'm sure the appearance money was more than the prize money anyway.
 
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sureshs

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nikdom said:
Pretty good move P.R wise too. Best goodwill to be had for 37,000 AUS dollars even if she was genuine in her intent. I'm sure the appearance money was more than the prize money anyway.
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What goodwill though? When she was engaged to Hewitt, she was "Aussie Kim." Not anymore. What is she gonna gain?
 
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nikdom

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sureshs said:
What goodwill though? When she was engaged to Hewitt, she was "Aussie Kim." Not anymore. What is she gonna gain?
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A thread on T.W? That's a lot of attention. For example, Roger Federer gets all his advice from this forum.
 
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