JohanLiebert
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How would you rate his mental strength?
One match does not make someone a choker.How would you rate his mental strength?
One match does not make someone a choker.
Djokovic is very clutch on break points and rarely makes errors then. One has to win the point... There are no gifts.
0 of 14, the one break was Noles double fault. Thiem couldnt make one single break point of his own14 out of 15 break points lost? That's one better than a corpse. Doesn't speak well of one's future, when someone so young chokes so horribly.
0 of 14, the one break was Noles double fault. Thiem couldnt make one single break point of his own
I have a feeling that in future matches between the 2 we'll see a better BP conversion rate for Thiem.
Funny that, I have a feeling that when the 2 of them meet again Thiem will not be close to even getting a break point chance.
0 of 14, the one break was Noles double fault. Thiem couldnt make one single break point of his own
Maybe Kyrgios is the chosen one...Frustrating how no one on tour seems to understand they need to play aggressive to beat the ******. No one can outgrind him. It isn't possible. All you can do is play huge and try to pull a Warwrinka, which a lot of guys might be able to do but they puss out.
Maybe Kyrgios is the chosen one...
Frustrating how no one on tour seems to understand they need to play aggressive to beat the ******. No one can outgrind him. It isn't possible. All you can do is play huge and try to pull a Warwrinka, which a lot of guys might be able to do but they puss out.
0 of 14, the one break was Noles double fault. Thiem couldnt make one single break point of his own
In fairness, people said much the same about Nadal, but when they played fearless aggressive tennis they usually littered UE's and lost that way instead. I know what you're saying though. They don't give themselves any chance at all playing the way they do.
In fairness, people said much the same about Nadal, but when they played fearless aggressive tennis they usually littered UE's and lost that way instead. I know what you're saying though. They don't give themselves any chance at all playing the way they do.
Nadal was a different story though as a lefty with that lefty spin. That was a whole other thing to have to deal with.
Grinding players aren't going to outgrind Novak on a slow hard court. They have to overpower him with their serve and big groundies or they have to use constant variety or both. You can't outgrind this robot on a slow hard court.
Nole had 5 winner and 35 errors, Thiem was 1/14 on break points, all in all this was great example of Novaks mental toughness to hold of this hungry young beast who beat Nadal this year and has won 2 titles already this year, he had the youth on his side and momentum of defeating Rafael on clay, but they still no match for the ATP Heavy Weight Champion Of The World.It depends on the winners/errors stats, which they aren't publishing for ATP matches (although mysteriously they have them on the TV at random times during a match). But considering that The Djoke wins matches when his opponents have 30-40% more winners than him, means Thiem quite possibly lost due to The Djoke's return game.
Choking means you can't hit anything (including winners). So need to see those stats. ~
This must be a typo, right?Nole had 5 winner and 35 errors,
Yeah, he should have skipped Acapulco and let some other choker win the title. Totally incapable of playing off the dirt.and once again we see that the "next generation" is likely just overhyped just because they beat a big name player who played like crap.
Given Thiem's horrendous performance against Fed in brisbane and now this one he might wanna just stick to the clay...we'll see how he does in clay court season.
Choking means you can't hit anything when it counts.It depends on the winners/errors stats, which they aren't publishing for ATP matches (although mysteriously they have them on the TV at random times during a match). But considering that The Djoke wins matches when his opponents have 30-40% more winners than him, means Thiem quite possibly lost due to The Djoke's return game.
Choking means you can't hit anything (including winners). So need to see those stats. ~
Start calling Fed a choker? That TTW trend started a decade or more ago!Does any player have a fantastic BP conversion rate against Novak? The man has a pretty average first and second serve yet still has one of the highest service game win %'s. Even Federer, arguably the 2nd best player in the world, has blown BP after BP against Novak in GS events. Are we going to start calling Federer a choker?
Thiem played well, but Djoker forced him to go for too much.
Nole had 5 winner and 35 errors, Thiem was 1/14 on break points, all in all this was great example of Novaks mental toughness to hold of this hungry young beast who beat Nadal this year and has won 2 titles already this year, he had the youth on his side and momentum of defeating Rafael on clay, but they still no match for the ATP Heavy Weight Champion Of The World.
This must be a typo, right?
Right?!!
It depends on the winners/errors stats, which they aren't publishing for ATP matches (although mysteriously they have them on the TV at random times during a match). But considering that The Djoke wins matches when his opponents have 30-40% more winners than him, means Thiem quite possibly lost due to The Djoke's return game.
Choking means you can't hit anything (including winners). So need to see those stats. ~
But when you're playing the best returner and ball-getter in the game, it means hitting winners at some point.Choking means you can't hit anything when it counts.
See!! He's not a Choker (but he's no Djoker!!!!!!!!!)Thiem hit 9 winners.
Thiem's mental strength and toughness is off the chart. End of first set literally both players sitting down and then the hawkeye review reverses the break; Thiem still came back and played very strong in that game. The final game of the match was like 15 minutes and Thiem withstood 4 Djokovic first serves midgame and won at least two of those points. That is insane toughness and mental strength especially when you have to deal with the missed BPs.How would you rate his mental strength?
Djokovic showed some brutal resistance on handful of those Breakpoints. I remember a few where Thiem was hitting the cover of the ball the entire rally but Djokovic just stood his ground and absorbed everything.0 of 14, the one break was Noles double fault. Thiem couldnt make one single break point of his own
Thiem's mental strength and toughness is off the chart. End of first set literally both players sitting down and then the hawkeye review reverses the break; Thiem still came back and played very strong in that game. The final game of the match was like 15 minutes and Thiem withstood 4 Djokovic first serves midgame and won at least two of those points. That is insane toughness and mental strength especially when you have to deal with the missed BPs.
Later in second set, Djokovic wisely backed off his new second serve and also did some conservative first serves because he couldn't get his new improved second serve in the court under pressure (that's choking). Thiem had a high number of DFs, but this was from increasing the speed of his second serve to avoid getting mauled by Djokovic on 2nd serve points.
Reading this thread many have said you have to take it to Djokovic to beat him. Thiem tried to go a little big on many of those break points, but that's the suggested formula. I think Thiem would have been better served by trying to outgrind Djokovic on those points, so maybe next time. Probably a 1 in 4 chance of an R16 rematch in Monte Carlo (fingers crossed.)
I am a main choker myself, so with full respect for Thiem, losing 14 is a mental issue, not Noles resistance.Djokovic showed some brutal resistance on handful of those Breakpoints. I remember a few where Thiem was hitting the cover of the ball the entire rally but Djokovic just stood his ground and absorbed everything.
Interesting. I've watched them all and generally Thiem has more lulls (like the early break in the 2nd) and may not wake up til the end of the first set. Other than that his focus was excellent for this match.I agree with your assessment on Thiem's mental state however I think that could also be a problem for him. I don't follow Thiem very closely on every match he played but on a few big ones against top guys, I noticed he maintained almost the same high intensity throughout the entire match. In theory, super focused is a good thing for players, but tennis there will be momentum shift, unless you can run over your opponent, you need to adjust accordingly and try different strategy to win points at different stage, playing the same one dimensional high intensity game not only very demanding but also unbearable especially when your opponent level dips but you still can't win the points. I don't mean Thiem needs to become an up and down player, but he needs to "relax" a bit, add something different to his game, change the pace during the match.
That's a pretty good observation, I think you're right he does need to understand how to use his energy more effectively. As he matures I think he will learn that skill.I agree with your assessment on Thiem's mental state however I think that could also be a problem for him. I don't follow Thiem very closely on every match he played but on a few big ones against top guys, I noticed he maintained almost the same high intensity throughout the entire match. In theory, super focused is a good thing for players, but tennis there will be momentum shift, unless you can run over your opponent, you need to adjust accordingly and try different strategy to win points at different stage, playing the same one dimensional high intensity game not only very demanding but also unbearable especially when your opponent level dips but you still can't win the points. I don't mean Thiem needs to become an up and down player, but he needs to "relax" a bit, add something different to his game, change the pace during the match.
Now I know why I couldn't become a great tennis player.Well, Thiem is a Virgo, lol, that sometimes doesn't bode well. Just look up any players born Aug 22 - Sep 22 and see how many were chokers/mentally fragile, etc. You have quite a few headcases on both men's and women's tour in that range