Steve0904
Talk Tennis Guru
Haha. I just said that bold part to add a bit of spice to the whole thing ya know?
It puts into perspective what fedal have done
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Haha. I just said that bold part to add a bit of spice to the whole thing ya know?
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G.O.A.T.
Then you're delusional and would lose lots of money and houses
Grass peak Fed 03-07 would win 10/10 matches at Wimbledon vs any version of Djokovic and 08-09 would win 9/10.
USO peak 04-08 Fed would win 8/10 matches at USO.
RG id favour Fed 6/10 times based on their 2011 match where post prime Fed owned peak Djoko so I'd imagine the better 06-09 clayerer would win most of them.
AO is basically 50/50 could go either way in a 5 set match. Maybe RA or plexicushion dependant.
Service Ace
Hall of Fame
Revisionist history at its finest. Lol at someone with a 2015 join date falsely commenting on a term from the pre-2010 era.
Mustard
Bionic Poster
This is what I like about some Nadal fans: they want to convince us he's above Fed despite having less slams, by telling us that the slam count doesn't tell the true story. But when compared to Djokovic, they say that Nadal has more slams, despite Nole leading him everywhere else.
They basically want to have their cake and eat it too.
Nadal's greatness is in his clay dominance, and the 25-8 record in majors against the big 4. He was as big a nemesis to Federer as anyone can be to such a dominant player, and he was a nuisance to Djokovic from 2012-2014 too, not to mention their 2007-2010 battles.
From a fighting standpoint, Nadal is the best of this era.
Service Ace
Hall of Fame
Sure. He's the greatest #2 of all time but was never good enough to be the best, neither in the Fed era nor the Djokovic one.
Mustard
Bionic Poster
Can't you see that Nadal toppled a seemingly invincible Federer to become world number 1 (after years of being the most successful world number 2 ever), and came back from an injury nightmare to topple a seemingly invincible Djokovic, to become world number 1 again. This on top of what I've mentioned regarding Nadal's big match record.
Service Ace
Hall of Fame
I understand. He was able to overcome the #1 player in 2 consecutive eras but was never dominant enough to create an era of his own. No matter how high your peak level is, dominance is first and foremost about consistency and Nadal just hasn't shown enough to ever lay claim to GOAThood. Claiming Nadal is the GOAT over Fed is as laughable as claiming Eli is the GOAT over Brady. Match-ups matter but dominance speaks for itself.
Djokovic_is_the_best#1
Bionic Poster
It really does and despite all the amazing things novaks achieved, he's still 3rd wheel in the GOAT debate between the 3!
Djokovic_is_the_best#1
Bionic Poster
I ageee now. Djoko has done amazing and is an ATG but he is 3rd in line behind fed and Nadal!
6august
Hall of Fame
LOL Peak tournament. What's next? Peak match? Peak set? Peak game?
Don't you realize that using that "peak" theory, people could argue that Federer has never beaten Peak version of ANY player?
No, I don't think you can realize it. Someday you'll look back and wish you have never said such stupid things, trust me. Now just spend more time for your homeworks, help your parents, go out with your friends...
Good luck, little boy.
Quite clearly you haven't watched much tennis from back then. If you had, you'd know the 09 AO was one of Nadal's best ever hard court tournaments.
Pathetic troll.
6august
Hall of Fame
LOL
Federer could never beat peak Nalbandian, the only time Nalbandian peaked, he beat peak Federer at WTF.
Federer could never beat peak Safin, the only time Safin peaked, he beat peak Federer at AO.
Federer could never beat peak Nadal on hard, AO 09 showed it.
Federer could never beat peak Djokovic on hard, USO 10 - AO 11 - USO 11 showed it.
Federer could not even beat peak Murray on grass, otherwise he would have had the single Olympic Gold.
See?
Now do you fully understand how "Anything you say may be used against you in a court of law..."??? LOL
Federer beat Djokovic plenty of times of hard courts. Evidenced by their dead even H2H on the surface.
As for those other guys, yes they played the tournament of their lives and beat Fed, in 5 close sets every time, with Fed holding MPs in two of those matches. Not sure what your point is?
The Murray match is a bit of a silly one too, considering Fed owned him in the far more important Wimbledon final weeks earlier.
In that case: Federer = GOAT.
17 grand slams
5 straight W/USO
Joint record most Wimbledon and USO (open era for USO)
88 titles
302 weeks at number 1
237 consecutive weeks at number 1
No excuses he did it.
Personally I think he's been unlucky to have his later career clash with Djokovic and Nadal. I think had they all been born in 1981, hed still win a similar amount of Wimbledon and USOs, at least 1 AO and maybe 1-2 RG had Djokovic took Nadal out for him.
Then I think he'd be cleaning up from the age of 29-34. Just look at the amount of finals, SF etc where he lost to peak Nadal or Djokovic in his later career. With neither of them there, you can add at least 2 Wimbledons, 3 USO, 3 AO, 2 RG assuming he wouldn't lose to whoever he played in the final of those.
duaneeo
Legend
Slam titles won/slam finals made/weeks-at-#1 can be compared.
90's Clay
Banned
Difference is Fedal and Nole were all stoping each other which meant the continual reason for motivation.. Nole lost ALOT of motivation after completing the career grand slam which may have bene his ultimate goal. Maybe the slam record wasn't as important to him. Nole was motivate as long as Fedal presented challenges it appears. After they got taken out of the picture there was no one left other than Murray who he bullied a gazillion times already.
Its kind of similar to Sampras. Sampras was motivated by breaking the slam record though.. But if you notice he lost motivation for a year until Agassi came back on the scene in '99. Then he raised his game again.
True champions need a feeling or purpose. Champions need CHALLENGES.
Look at Jordan for instance.
Its kind of similar to Sampras. Sampras was motivated by breaking the slam record though.. But if you notice he lost motivation for a year until Agassi came back on the scene in '99. Then he raised his game again.
True champions need a feeling or purpose. Champions need CHALLENGES.
Look at Jordan for instance.
jm1980
Talk Tennis Guru
Oh me, of little faith
Legendofthegame
New User
It is ineviable that OPs posted 3 or more years ago pumping Federer up are now being bumped.
LOL
LOLOLOLOLOLOL 20-20-20 BABY!!!!
TearTheRoofOff
G.O.A.T.
Unfortunately.
Tennis_Freak99
Legend
What do we have here?
Good bump
Good bump
Hayole
Rookie
Say it again!
Enceladus
Legend
As the classic would say, time pulled the curtain - and the world has changed!
Nadal_Django
Legend
Lendl and Agassi superior players than Nole. So much hilarity in that post.As the classic would say, time pulled the curtain - and the world has changed!
Oopsy...
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