Genious at Work
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Medvedev today only delayed the inevitable, and I think Djokovic getting the slam record at the AO would be far more fitting than doing it at a slam where he has the worst record of the Big 3.
It's only fitting Djoker will get the slam record at the AO
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Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
You mean for Rafa to get his 21.
Fabresque
Legend
Nah, it’s not gonna be easy anymore. It’s actually gonna get way, way harder this time around. It was around this age where Federer lost his hold at Wimbledon to Djokovic among others. Could easily happen to Novak.
I just hope Djokovic has a career renaissance in 2023 like Federer did at his old age so he can claim at least 2-3 more slams.
I just hope Djokovic has a career renaissance in 2023 like Federer did at his old age so he can claim at least 2-3 more slams.
MeatTornado
Talk Tennis Guru
Honestly I wasn't even thinking about 21 at all today. Mostly because of what OP says, it's still going to happen either way, only question is where.
Today was all about the CYGS happening or not.
Today was all about the CYGS happening or not.
Russeljones
Talk Tennis Guru
Here I was thinking this thread will be about the parallels between Djokovic's status and the origins of the Australian nation. Disappointed.
topher
Hall of Fame
Pass me what you’re smoking! I wish, but Rafa just needs to stay healthy and get in shape for RG 22
PMChambers
Hall of Fame
Seems to be a lot of Optimism around Djokovic failing.
Reality USO hasn't been great Tourney for him, 3 win.
AO is completely different.
FO without Nadal is different
WO is completely different
Note: He went into USO undercooked, got to finals. Everyone goes into AO undercooked see how it goes.
He is still favorite or near favorite at all Majors {Depending on Nadal recovery for FO}
Reality USO hasn't been great Tourney for him, 3 win.
AO is completely different.
FO without Nadal is different
WO is completely different
Note: He went into USO undercooked, got to finals. Everyone goes into AO undercooked see how it goes.
He is still favorite or near favorite at all Majors {Depending on Nadal recovery for FO}
clayqueen
Talk Tennis Guru
clayqueen
Talk Tennis Guru
I think, on the whole, Djokovic didn't deserve to win his 21st at this USO where he struggled to put away 5 of his 7 opponents and lost to a 6th in straight sets in the final so basically, he didn't deserve to win his 21st by luck. Let's face it, some of his GS wins could have turned on a pinhead and gone the other way. He's never won a slam without losing a set, Rafa has done it 4 times and Federer has done it twice.
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clayqueen
Talk Tennis Guru
It's not a given. Look at his path to the AO title this year. He could easily have lost early. Even Jack Draper, ranked 253, took a set off him at Wimbledon.
toby55555
Hall of Fame
True, nothings a given now with the Old Guard, Wellington’s troops have them surrounded.
It's not a given. Look at his path to the AO title this year. He could easily have lost early. Even Jack Draper, ranked 253, took a set off him at Wimbledon.
Hitman
Bionic Poster
It's not a given. Look at his path to the AO title this year. He could easily have lost early. Even Jack Draper, ranked 253, took a set off him at Wimbledon.
Nothing is a given for Djokovic or Nadal now.
It can all end 20-20-20, especially if the others now also start unleashing their full potential. If Zverev, Tsitsipas join the slam winners circle, it is time to say good bye to the big 3.
irishnadalfan1983
Hall of Fame
Easy, easy
Nole is still heavy fav for AO - he needs a long, long break....Doubt he will bother with IW...If he shows up fit and well to the AO and doesn't win, there's no sure thing of a 21st slam for Djokovic. Plenty of very good athletes are spent at 35. Nadal could clinch the record with number 21 at Roland Garros
clayqueen
Talk Tennis Guru
I have never claimed anything was a given for Nadal, even with his near flawless record at RG.
Hitman
Bionic Poster
Easy, easy
Novak is the fav, but things change very quickly in tennis, we have been seeing the Next Gen knocking on the door this year and it only got louder. I know many want to downplay just how Novak won so much this year, but he was pushed at AO last year also, pushed to the brink at RG, at Wimbledon even though it may not show in the score, he was pushed hard in that Wimbledon semi, he was pushed to the edge at USO by Zverev and then Medvedev finally landed the killing blow.
The Next Gen are getting better, much better. If those floodgates open, it could all change very quickly.
Hitman
Bionic Poster
Yes, because it isn't anymore, despite his near flawless record at RG.
irishnadalfan1983
Hall of Fame
Agreed I suppose and I’ve said the same before - age will catch Nole....However I didn’t feel the real Nole was beaten last night....The real Nole maybe back for Australia....He can’t go on forever....Only more slam before he turns 35.....I suppose I don’t know what I’m saying
Hitman
Bionic Poster
Agreed I suppose and I’ve said the same before - age will catch Nole....However I didn’t feel the real Nole was beaten last night....The real Nole maybe back for Australia....He can’t go on forever....Only more slam before he turns 35.....I suppose I don’t know what I’m saying
And that in a nutshell is something that is the ultimate truth. Lets not forget, the guy has been on tour since 2005 and been at the top of the game since 2007.
irishnadalfan1983
Hall of Fame
Agreed....Same with Nadal...Surprised Nole had this year at 34...I won’t be making any bold predictions on either player - I’ve ended up wrong too many times....Would love to see Fed and Rafa at AO but don’t see it happening...
Hitman
Bionic Poster
Next year Federer is going to be 41, Nadal 36 and Djokovic 35....their bodies cannot keep holding up. Yes, Djokovic looks the better of the three from a health perspective, but he, just like those two is still declining and adding more wear and tear onto his body. Mental strength can only take you so far.
Federer tried to come back after having time off, sadly it didn't work out for him, he was noticeably slower due to the knee issues and that was all it was going to take. Nadal has had a bad season, he was struggling the whole time, has been hobbling on his foot, took several weeks off to recover, plays two matches and he's done again....what is going to happen when he gets back on the clay and has to grind once more at age 36, especially with his suspect stamina?
Of course we shouldn't write them off until they hang up their rackets, and no one is questioning their will and mental desire to play and compete, but when the bodies are breaking down, there is only so much you can do, they are not getting younger. Look at the list....Federer, Nadal, Murray, Wawrinka, Del Potro....bodies breaking down faster than they are repairing, in a way it is the natural order. Novak will only hold out for so long also.
clayqueen
Talk Tennis Guru
Let's face facts. The real Nole was pushed at the AO 2021 by Fritz, Tiafoe, Raonic & Zverev. Everyone assumed Djokovic was a lock for Olympic Gold and the USO 2021. He failed to win both. So don't get too carried away you might not be able to celebrate as much as you did up to now. Djokovic nearly lost to Mussetti at RG as well.Agreed I suppose and I’ve said the same before - age will catch Nole....However I didn’t feel the real Nole was beaten last night....The real Nole maybe back for Australia....He can’t go on forever....Only more slam before he turns 35.....I suppose I don’t know what I’m saying
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clayqueen
Talk Tennis Guru
Even the players that have never been heard of now believe they've got a chance. Look at the way Rune performed against Djokovic at the USO. Even Matt Draper, a WC, took a set off him at Wimbledon. Some of the young teenage players serve bombs so it's shouldn't be taken as read that the Old Guard are always going to have the upper hand.
Emma Radnukanu has given a lot of young players men as well as women the inspiration to beat to greats.
Start da Game
Hall of Fame
he will be under a lot of pressure in australia.......what he got yesterday was not a defeat, it was a total beatdown which will have an effect on his mind.......he will be pushing 35 and his situation in australia will be that of a semi-old lion surrounded by four young hyenas like you see on animal planet.......can he get out of it?
ForLoveOfTheGame
Semi-Pro
Novak has at the very least one more slam in him if not several more. Federer is done. Nadal is always a dark horse.
Krish0608
G.O.A.T.
Haha. Imagine after 20 years, TTW members are still squabbling on the GOAT debate.
Hitman
Bionic Poster
Its true.
Hitman
Bionic Poster
Haha. Imagine after 20 years, TTW members are still squabbling on the GOAT debate.
My response after 20 years....
clayqueen
Talk Tennis Guru
When fit Rafa wins on clay easily, he doesn't need to grind. He's won RG 4 times without dropping a set.
Hitman
Bionic Poster
Those days are gone.
irishnadalfan1983
Hall of Fame
Yeah not disagreeing with any of that…I just feel anytime Nole is beaten these days kind of comes with an asterisk considering his age…I would say the exact same for Rafa…Beating Rafa on clay these days ain’t the same as beating him 10 years ago…Same applies to Nole IMO.
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Deleted member 771911
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The decline is real guys. His advantage in five sets when the pressure is on has been brutally cut down and we saw it live yesterday.
Genious at Work
G.O.A.T.
Who are we kidding? Djoker just had a 3 slam season. You don't go from having a 3 slam season to not winning any slam at all ever again. It is not logical. With the way Nadal is having health issues now, I would be more concerned about Djoker winning a few RG titles from now on.
R. Schweikart
Professional
I don't think any of the Big Three will win another slam.
They will end with 20-20-20.
The tennis gods have made their decision and it is a good one.
R. Schweikart
Professional
Ask Mats Wilander.
If Steffi had not had her miracle run at the FO 99 you could have asked her, too.
Genious at Work
G.O.A.T.
Good point, I just don't see Djoker going down that route though.
Djokovic_is_the_best#1
Bionic Poster
It’s fate they will all end at 20-20-20. The tennis god’s decree it!
Genious at Work
G.O.A.T.
The chance that Djoker ends with 20 is 1%, the chance Nadal ends with 20 is 10%, and the chance Fed ends with 20 is 99%. The chance all of them end with 20 is 0.00099. A one in 1000 chance this happens.It’s fate they will all end at 20-20-20. The tennis god’s decree it!
R. Schweikart
Professional
No, the spell has been broken. There is blood in the water, blood of old white men.
prairiegirl
Hall of Fame
That won't be a calendar slam sorry. It has to be all four titles in a single calendar year.
Genious at Work
G.O.A.T.
That ship has sailed, no more CYGS for Djokovic. But it's probably better that Laver retains that record.
Genious at Work
G.O.A.T.
And the race of Fedalovic is relevant because... what?
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