Kick Serve Serve - Deuce and Ad Court

arun_mrk

New User
I have been learning Kick Serve and realized that I'm getting comfortable/consistent on Ad court compared to Deuce court.

In Deuce court, I seem to framing (at 7/8 o'clk inside frame) or few ball bounce on other side adv court (instead of deuce court)

Would like to know, if you guys

1. Do you adjust Stands for Ad and Deuce? - In terms of distance from the middle line, shoulder, toe pointing

2. Is the Toss location different while serving from Ad or Deuce court?

3. Swing path is it same for Ad and Deuce court?
 

mntlblok

Hall of Fame
I have been learning Kick Serve and realized that I'm getting comfortable/consistent on Ad court compared to Deuce court.

In Deuce court, I seem to framing (at 7/8 o'clk inside frame) or few ball bounce on other side adv court (instead of deuce court)

Would like to know, if you guys

1. Do you adjust Stands for Ad and Deuce? - In terms of distance from the middle line, shoulder, toe pointing

2. Is the Toss location different while serving from Ad or Deuce court?

3. Swing path is it same for Ad and Deuce court?

I think those are excellent questions. Coincidentally, I framed my first few serves yesterday (same part of frame that you described) after a few days off. First assumed that I was just taking my eye off the ball, but that didn't fix it. I then decided to try to make initial contact near the other part of the frame. That sort of worked, but I sorta knew that I shouldn't have to be thinking about that, so eventually figured out that I wasn't getting the toss far enough over to the left.

I definitely adjust my stance for serving into the deuce court, and am much more comfortable with the kicker into the ad court. One way for me to feel more comfortable in the deuce court is to stand right next to the center line (even for doubles), and toss the ball slightly over into the ad court. (Just don't line up with yer back foot touching that center mark - like the guy who played {no spoiler :mrgreen:} Nadal yesterday was doing on Saturday). The jump over to get it may even have you landing in the wrong court. Makes it *very* difficult for the opponent to run around it for a forehand.

Another thing to consider for serving into the deuce court is the right-to-left curve of the ball flight in the air. The farther you stand from the center line, the more critical the *depth* of the serve becomes for having the ball land in the correct side of the court. With the positioning described above, it's not critical at all (as far as landing in the box goes).

Otherwise, if I'm missing my kicker into the deuce court wide of the center mark, then I'll consciously change where I'm pointing my toe a few degrees.

I would think that the toss position and swing path would remain the same for both courts. I certainly make no effort to change them. Come to think of it, though, the one thing that I *do* tend to do more for the ad court is go more extremely towards brushing up the *left side* of the ball in order to get the ball to kick closer to the side fence. I just *love* to witness those fence related injuries. :mrgreen:
 
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SystemicAnomaly

Bionic Poster
Note that most right-handers tend to have a more effective twist or other kick serve on the ad side than the deuce side. Have you ever noticed that when a twist/kick is taught or demonstrated, it is usually on the ad side? BTW, check out "Federer monster kick" on Youtube for a great deuce-side twist serve.

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LeeD

Bionic Poster
Stance, toss, and swing is exactly the same.
Your target is different, so adjust your feet.
The reason righties twist works on ad is that the court is longer on that side than the duece court, so the high kicker can be hit higher over the higher part of the net, and the resultant kick is much higher and harder.
Same for lefties on duece court. Twists to ad court are much less effective and don't hop up nearly as high.
Now one of you is going to post Fed's weirdo kick that aced some guy on a clay court tourney.
 
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