Bartelby
Bionic Poster
The Nadalista 'Free the Excreta and Crap industry Front' or FECID just dumped some kind of chocolate brown gem on the thread. We are fortunate!
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Bartelby
Bionic Poster
Most of your statements are untrue.
You make it clear enough that you are living in the Cold War with the Soviets still swimming around the primitive core of your fertile imagination.
As I said, Russophobia drove this whole witch hunt from the beginning.
You make it clear enough that you are living in the Cold War with the Soviets still swimming around the primitive core of your fertile imagination.
As I said, Russophobia drove this whole witch hunt from the beginning.
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Bartelby
Bionic Poster
Errani was also forunate that she was not judged by a kangaroo court, as post-Sharapva there is now a fully independent system for adjudicating matters in the first instance.
Both the ITF and the Tribunal wanted to give her four years, but they only got two and the fully independent review tribunal shaved a whole nine months from that.
Both the ITF and the Tribunal wanted to give her four years, but they only got two and the fully independent review tribunal shaved a whole nine months from that.
MatsPhilander
Legend
Why not? They let the Williams sisters take all the drugs they want-with a doctor's note to justify it of course.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
That's not going to happen, but before you waste money on experiments you have to check thoroughly the pharmacological side to see if there is any point to it.
There is none as far as we can glean from some scientific commentators. In any event, performance is so multi-factorial that an experiment is impossible to design.
Back to science class for you!
There is none as far as we can glean from some scientific commentators. In any event, performance is so multi-factorial that an experiment is impossible to design.
Back to science class for you!
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
Corticosteroids are NOT beneficial outside of actually making you feel somewhat normal when you have autoimmune conditions. They are horrible to take long term and break down your bone density, among other things.
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Rogerjohnson81
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MatsPhilander
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Also because she is Russian & aloof-like I said earlier it becomes a popularity contest, nobody has been calling for Errani to be banned for life, or beating her to save Tennis etc because she is buddies with the other women & nobody has any issue with Italy like they do with Russia. It is even more ludicrous as Sharapova admitted to taking it & if she hadn't as it turned out would have gotten away with it due to it staying in the system possibly for months, while Errani came up with some incredible story about accidental ingestion because the stuff somehow ended up in her food.
MatsPhilander
Legend
With Serena's history-railing against drug testing back in 2000, again before the 2004 Olympics when she refused to be tested & then pulled out with an injury, seven years later locking herself in a panic room when the tester turned up at her home & then refusing to be tested after she called the police-with zero sanction from the governing body. Is her light schedule because of cycling?
MatsPhilander
Legend
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
The brutal fact is that it is impossible to catch well-heeled drug takers in sport, and the truly privileged can get exemptions.
Drug controls get the young and the stupid, those too poor to use expensive drugs, the people who don't check properly - Cilic - or don't check at all - Sharapova.
The one exception to this is where there is some sort of leak or leaks either accidental or by whistleblowers that lifts the lid on drug abuse - as with the Spanish scandal or Armstrong and US Postal.
Drug controls get the young and the stupid, those too poor to use expensive drugs, the people who don't check properly - Cilic - or don't check at all - Sharapova.
The one exception to this is where there is some sort of leak or leaks either accidental or by whistleblowers that lifts the lid on drug abuse - as with the Spanish scandal or Armstrong and US Postal.
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MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
Idk what Serena has ever taken, but Venus has only taken the cortico's which no one sane would take if they didn't have to. The only way people could say that it's "cheating" is that it allows those who could be potentially unable to play bc of pain, still actually play. But performance enhancing, no.
airchallenge2
Hall of Fame
Interesting and novel idea. I'm curious to see that. I'd bet she wins the Roland Garros next month
Tennis_Hands
Banned
You and Chadillac are throwing some pretty bold (and untrue) statements.
Neither Serena, nor Errani, nor anyone, who has ever been in a situation of distrust like they were, is considered OK as far as doping goes.
MatsPhilander
Legend
Venus I am much less suspicious of because her body is far more natural looking, her illness & her results are far more believable.
Shaolin
G.O.A.T.
You need more convincing?
She was good with drugs, not that good without them. Rankings don't lie.
Errani is attempting to work her way through quailies and challenger tournaments last I checked. She isn't getting Wild cards into big tournaments.
MatsPhilander
Legend
She isn't remotely marketable. Bouchard is the ultimate proof of what is needed to get invites.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
Errani got a two month ban, not a fifteen month ban, and got it for exactly the same crime.
The difference is that a new independent tribunal is now in place.
The difference is that a new independent tribunal is now in place.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
Ranking are based on performance and performance is multi-factorial and it's completely reductive to think otherwise.
Back to science class for you!
Back to science class for you!
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Deleted member 756486
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Why are you getting so defensive? No one is attacking her because she’s Russian, well at least I’d hope not.
She’s a cheater and a fraud, I don’t care if she’s from Russia or America or Mozambique, she’s a fraud.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
They are, strictly speaking, attacking Russia and not specifically Sharapova.
But to justify that attack you have to do the standard thing in war, which is what you are doing.
And that is to relentlessly portray your adversary and its population as cheaters, dopers, thieves, invaders, killers, etc.
Whether it's in the sports pages or the political pages that is the message tirelessly promoted, even if the coda is that the Russian people are all right guys in private.
She missed the fact that a harmless drug had been banned and yet you call her a cheater and a fraud, well, shame on you.
CAS specifically decided that she was not a cheater and completely accepted that her violation of the regulation was unintentional.
So I think you owe an apology to one Russian, at least.
But to justify that attack you have to do the standard thing in war, which is what you are doing.
And that is to relentlessly portray your adversary and its population as cheaters, dopers, thieves, invaders, killers, etc.
Whether it's in the sports pages or the political pages that is the message tirelessly promoted, even if the coda is that the Russian people are all right guys in private.
She missed the fact that a harmless drug had been banned and yet you call her a cheater and a fraud, well, shame on you.
CAS specifically decided that she was not a cheater and completely accepted that her violation of the regulation was unintentional.
So I think you owe an apology to one Russian, at least.
MatsPhilander
Legend
In which case you must accept that Errorni, Cilic, Troicki, Hingis, Gasquet, McEnroe, Agassi, Wilander are all cheats & frauds as well.
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Deleted member 756486
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Don’t forget Korda!
Gasquet tested positive for coke, as far as I’m aware that’s not a performance enhancer.
Agassi tested positive for Crystal Meth, as far as I’m aware that’s not a performance enhancer.
Wilander tested positive for coke as well I think, you can correct me on that if I’m wrong.
I agree with the rest though.
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Deleted member 756486
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Do you have a statement from CAS that I can read? Not saying I don’t believe you, I just like to see things for myself.
sportmac
Hall of Fame
It's an uphill climb with some people. Facts are losing to alt-facts. Screeching "CHEATER!" ad nauseam is easier than rational thinking.
sportmac
Hall of Fame
Yep, depth, though some will argue against that. Recently Gasquet lamented that when he came up the top 100 guy was easy to beat, now they're all tough outs. It's the same on both tours, there's tougher players deeper in the field.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
CAS has a website which publishes their complete judgements. It's a very different judgement from the initial determination, which is on the ITF website.
People who like to call Sharapova a 'cheater' can indeed find some signs of such a suggestion in the initial determination even though it finally decides she did not cheat.
The appeal ruling goes out of its way in the conclusion, I think, to state clearly that she is not a cheat.
People who like to call Sharapova a 'cheater' can indeed find some signs of such a suggestion in the initial determination even though it finally decides she did not cheat.
The appeal ruling goes out of its way in the conclusion, I think, to state clearly that she is not a cheat.
No argument there. Sad but true
TennisLBC
Professional
She wouldn't be in the top 200 if she had to earn her way back. Maria is a "great" spoke model and doesn't need tennis anymore. She may not be Unstoppable, but she's bankable. She should retire and stop embarrassing herself.
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Chadillac
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Ahh, that makes it ok according to "williams fan"
DONT CALL FOOTFAULTS ON BIG POINTS!!! Another one of you peoples gems
AM75
Hall of Fame
Druggie Hingis has retired last year as a heroine (no pun intended).
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Chadillac
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It was banned on dec9th, players were notified on the 18th. The drug stays in your system 3-5 months.
Not sure they did the math. Thats why they reduced almost all the suspensions later.
The intension was to ban russia from the olympics, which they did.
The Russians were there. They just didn't call themselves Russians. Honestly who gives a crap about the cry baby Russians. Seriously unless you are Russian I don't get it. And People like Maria have houses all over the USA and barely goes to Russia. Even she doesn't give two craps about Russia. She lives in LA. I mean she could live on the Black Sea and hang out there. But she lives in LA. As screwed up as the USA is I guess its better than Russia.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
1. It's not they didn't do the math. It was that they didn't do the research. It's only when lawyers for clients started complaining that their clients had stopped in time, but were still being banned that they did it.
2. For those under a certain amount of Meldonium, they didn't just reduce suspension they cancelled their conviction entirely.
2. For those under a certain amount of Meldonium, they didn't just reduce suspension they cancelled their conviction entirely.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
Hundreds of athletes didn't get the message and the court of appeal specifically criticised the inadequacy of the notification.
Even those who did heed the message were suspended and had to spend several months and employ lawyers to show WADA was wrong.
Even those who did heed the message were suspended and had to spend several months and employ lawyers to show WADA was wrong.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
Using WADA, and it is run mostly by representatives of Western governments, as an extension of foreign policy makes a mockery of its independence and its doping policy.
If the west and the USA is so corrupt she can move back to Russia. And heck I aint even saying we are not. But compared to where she came from we aint. And she can sell her candy there. I don't give two craps. And not sure why you do. She can train in Russia. Live there. Party there. Do whatever. But where does she live? In the corrupt west with all its corruption. I don't know what that says about her. But she can move back to Russia anytime she wants.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
Sharapova took her punishment on the chin, which is why she has been instantly restored to media darling status, so you are ranting at the wrong person.
The head of Head, her racquet sponsor, also said the banning of Meldonium was completely fraudulent so it's quite a widespread view even among billionaires!
The head of Head, her racquet sponsor, also said the banning of Meldonium was completely fraudulent so it's quite a widespread view even among billionaires!
Good. And she can continue to lose. And you can continue to make excuses for her. My view is she should play some smaller tournaments and try to get back in some type of form instead of trying to wild card her way into something. But whatever. Heck maybe even play a fed cub match for her beloved Russia.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
So you want to extend her punishment to one of indefinite deprivation of the ordinary privileges that any player enjoys.
A truly authoritarian position!
A truly authoritarian position!
Heck I told you I hope she keeps getting wildcards and keeps getting smoked. If I was advising her Id tell her to get some matches in and play some 250s. But I actually hope she keeps getting blitzed. So you can keep crying about how unfair everything is.
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Deleted member 742196
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If going for Russian crash video sentences, I think you can improve upon that a little:
Anyone can beat anyone because anyone can choke to anyone when trying to serve out any match.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
As I mentioned in a thread I actually created, I think she is being distracted also by both her business and love life as she seems rather smitten with an art dealer.
I'm not crying for Sharapova. I'm merely exploring the dirty dealings that surrounded the Meldonium issue which, when it comes to tennis, means Sharapova.
There was an enormous amount of hatred directed to Sharapova before the fraud was perpetrated and I never defended her honour in any of these debates as the issue alone is of interest.
I'm not crying for Sharapova. I'm merely exploring the dirty dealings that surrounded the Meldonium issue which, when it comes to tennis, means Sharapova.
There was an enormous amount of hatred directed to Sharapova before the fraud was perpetrated and I never defended her honour in any of these debates as the issue alone is of interest.
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