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Nadal's run top opponents:
Medvedev's run top opponents:
Delpo
Anderson
Medvedev's run top opponents:
Schwartzman
Zverev
Thiem
Nadal
Djokovic
Same applies to every single tournament winner lol. He beat the player who beat that player who beat that other player... It doesn't mean they all weigh the same.I love how to this day Nadal gets the blame for all his 'top opponents' losing early. He beat Mayer who knocked off the 26th seeded Gasquet, he beat Dolgopolov who beat the 15th seeded Berdych, he beat Rublev who beat the 7th seeded Dimitrov and 9th seeded Goffin, he beat Del Potro who beat the 11th seeded RBA, 6th seeded Thiem, and 3rd seeded Federer, and then he finished it off by seeing off the dude who beat the 17th seeded Querrey and 12th seeded Carreno Busta. He beat the guys that beat all the top guys. The top opponents should be laughed out of the building, Nadal did what he had to do, as did Medvedev. Get over it already.
Hmm, it doesn't apply to every tournament. He beat Mayer in the third round, Mayer beat Gasquet in the first round, he could have easily lost in the second before getting to Nadal. All these guys won multiple matches before they got to him. You don't fluke your way to a major. And no, they don't all 'weigh the same', but if you apply actual context rather than just looking at the most banal stats and results you can see it's nowhere near as bad as people here like to make out (I mean it's pretty bad, because Del Potro was utterly spent after about a set of the Nadal match but a slam is a feat of endurance as much as anything else).Same applies to every single tournament winner lol. He beat the player who beat that player who beat that other player... It doesn't mean they all weigh the same.
I didn't say you fluke your way to a Major. Nadal deserves praise for taking his opportunities generally. But this logic can suger-coat any path to a title look decent. He beat the guy who beat that seed and so on. More likely than not the lower ranked player had to beat a seeded opponent to get further. But no top 25 opponents faced in the entire Slam cannot be something memorable for good reasons.Hmm, it doesn't apply to every tournament. He beat Mayer in the third round, Mayer beat Gasquet in the first round, he could have easily lost in the second before getting to Nadal. All these guys won multiple matches before they got to him. You don't fluke your way to a major. And no, they don't all 'weigh the same', but if you apply actual context rather than just looking at the most banal stats and results you can see it's nowhere near as bad as people here like to make out (I mean it's pretty bad, because Del Potro was utterly spent after about a set of the Nadal match but a slam is a feat of endurance as much as anything else).
Sure it can, if the top 25 players play terribly, and the ones outside it don't. The highlights of that tournament were Rublev, Del Potro, Schwartzman and Shapovalov. None of whom ranked in the top 25, all of whom played beautifully and put on a show. Beating any of those guys will have meant at least as much as beating an ailing Federer who struggled to get past Youzhny and Tiafoe in 5.I didn't say you fluke your way to a Major. Nadal deserves praise for taking his opportunities generally. But this logic can suger-coat any path to a title look decent. He beat the guy who beat that seed and so on. More likely than not the lower ranked player had to beat a seeded opponent to get further. But no top 25 opponents faced in the entire Slam cannot be something memorable for good reasons.
Yes they had a good tournament. Del Potro really made many of us invested more than others on that occasion I'd say. However two of those players offered minimal resistance to Nadal while the other two never got close to him to begin with. And we are discussing champions' runs to the title. Not just in this thread but generally that's what impacts our ratings of the tournament the most, and that US Open didn't deliver. But a Slam is a Slam as always.Sure it can, if the top 25 players play terribly, and the ones outside it don't. The highlights of that tournament were Rublev, Del Potro, Schwartzman and Shapovalov. None of whom ranked in the top 25, all of whom played beautifully and put on a show. Beating any of those guys will have meant at least as much as beating an ailing Federer who struggled to get past Youzhny and Tiafoe in 5.
Would bagel Berrettini tooThis Nadal destroys Medvedev/Thiem.
Would bagel Berrettini too
Yeah definitelyNadal 2017 US Open level was above 2019.
That one was for all the marbles.Both pale in comparison to Jack Sock's Paris title
nuff saidThat one was for all the marbles.
Sock didn't have anything left to prove after that. Says it all really.nuff said
At the end of the day a slam is a slam so Nadal’s carries more weight than Med’s regardless of the level of opponents.
Not to mention this could be done with a whole host of slam titles that weren’t all that impressive. Fed’s Wimbledon 2017 or AO 2006 being a couple of them.
It is called being salty Nadal haters. Makes 2017 even sweeter for his fans.I love how to this day Nadal gets the blame for all his 'top opponents' losing early. He beat Mayer who knocked off the 26th seeded Gasquet, he beat Dolgopolov who beat the 15th seeded Berdych, he beat Rublev who beat the 7th seeded Dimitrov and 9th seeded Goffin, he beat Del Potro who beat the 11th seeded RBA, 6th seeded Thiem, and 3rd seeded Federer, and then he finished it off by seeing off the dude who beat the 17th seeded Querrey and 12th seeded Carreno Busta. He beat the guys that beat all the top guys. The top opponents should be laughed out of the building, Nadal did what he had to do, as did Medvedev. Get over it already.
Del potro and Anderson were far better than any of those at W 2017!!.Federer defeated Dimitrov - Raonic - Berdych - Cilic in 2017 W. It was decent draw - don't compare it with Nadal'uso run.
Not bo5 though. Bo5 the ultimate test. I suspect had the semis been Bo5 on Saturday Nadal and Djokovic win in 5.WTF is so underrated.
In what tournament do you have to beat #1/2/3 in a row to get the title? All of which won a slam this year.
nuff said
Very fair post.At the end of the day a slam is a slam so Nadal’s carries more weight than Med’s regardless of the level of opponents.
Not to mention this could be done with a whole host of slam titles that weren’t all that impressive. Fed’s Wimbledon 2017 or AO 2006 being a couple of them.
No. Bo3 is much easier. You can get away with a 100 per cent first serve set like medvedev did v Nadal or have a hot 20 mins and win a set blazing winners and you halfway to winning.Medvedev and not even close in terms of difficulty.
Nadal obviously has the edge in terms of the weight of the achievement.
But that's what's unfair about the current obsession with slams. Many tournaments (WTF especially) are harder to win than some slams (with cakewalk draws and upsets of top players).
Had Thiem won today, his WTF victory would have been a lot more impressive than the USO, for example.
Nadal's run top opponents:
DelpoAnderson
Medvedev's run top opponents:
SchwartzmanZverevThiemNadalDjokovic
I have always felt the WTF is a bigger deal for players who did not have a slam that season. Psychologically it stands to reason that players who may have not achieved what they wanted that year will be more hungry than slam winners that season.I think Med faced tougher competition for WTF title.
Nadal's 2017 USO was his easiest slam in terms of competition. However, it is quite an anomaly, as if you look at Nadal's slam wins he has faced GOATs in most of his Slam wins.
I'd still take a slam over WTF any day though, if you offered me the swap I'd reject it, sorry.
Federer defeated Dimitrov - Raonic - Berdych - Cilic in 2017 W. It was decent draw - don't compare it with Nadal'uso run.
That is a very hot but accurate take and does explain quite a lot. Both the ATP and the WTA have had periods of late where for 4 years straight, the champions hadn't won slams and had smaller results than those who had won slams in that year. Yet they went on to win the WTF/YEC. Your post does explain why they fought harder than those who had won slams. Interesting post.I have always felt the WTF is a bigger deal for players who did not have a slam that season. Psychologically it stands to reason that players who may have not achieved what they wanted that year will be more hungry than slam winners that season.
Medvedev is a prime example. His game style is so physical that he looks cooked after 3 sets and i feel both Nadal and Thiem would have beaten him in 5. I think he has yet to win a bo5 set match.As much as Nadal's 2017 USO is a meme, he played B05 all tournament while Medvedev didn't at this years WTF. We've seen many of the young guns (as well as others like Isner and Tsonga) play lights out for 1 week at Masters or ATP500's including beating multiple of the big 3 but none of them ever translated it to B05 format at a slam. And that still stands even now.
I actually predicted Medvedev may win Paris Bercy and WTF precisely because he underperformed at USO and FO. While Thiem played well at USO got feeling Medvedev felt he should be winning the event once Djokovic went out.That is a very hot but accurate take and does explain quite a lot. Both the ATP and the WTA have had periods of late where for 4 years straight, the champions hadn't won slams and had smaller results than those who had won slams in that year. Yet they went on to win the WTF/YEC. Your post does explain why they fought harder than those who had won slams. Interesting post.
Sure it can, if the top 25 players play terribly, and the ones outside it don't. The highlights of that tournament were Rublev, Del Potro, Schwartzman and Shapovalov. None of whom ranked in the top 25, all of whom played beautifully and put on a show. Beating any of those guys will have meant at least as much as beating an ailing Federer who struggled to get past Youzhny and Tiafoe in 5.