Mma Thread!
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maverick66
Hall of Fame
im allowed to have favorites. i like most brazilian fighters. plus he got hit with a truck and lived. i just really like the way he trains and the way he presents himself. i just have a ton of respect for him.
whats with you and rickson. he dodged bas rutten. i actually cant stand the gracies. i understand how great of bjj users they are but the arrogance is just to much for me.
whats with you and rickson. he dodged bas rutten. i actually cant stand the gracies. i understand how great of bjj users they are but the arrogance is just to much for me.
hollywood9826
Hall of Fame
35ft,
You make a very good point about Evans. He has gotten so good at stand up alot of casual fans may not even know of his wrestling abilities.
Machida will probably fight the smart safe fight and win an uneventful decision. But i didnt realize he a was brazilian sumo champ as well.
But once i read this tidbit, I am now confident Lyoto will not lose.
In an interview with Tatame Magazine on March 23, 2009, Lyoto Machida revealed that he drinks his urine every morning as "natural medicine", a tradition he inherited from his father
You make a very good point about Evans. He has gotten so good at stand up alot of casual fans may not even know of his wrestling abilities.
Machida will probably fight the smart safe fight and win an uneventful decision. But i didnt realize he a was brazilian sumo champ as well.
But once i read this tidbit, I am now confident Lyoto will not lose.
In an interview with Tatame Magazine on March 23, 2009, Lyoto Machida revealed that he drinks his urine every morning as "natural medicine", a tradition he inherited from his father
35ft6
Legend
^ Watching a video of Dana White talking about Lyoto having the potential to be the best p4p in the world. Wow, surprised, since I would think Machida is the kind of stylist he would hate to see as champion at the UFC. He points out Tito couldn't take Machida down at all.
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hollywood9826
Hall of Fame
But Tito almost cought him in a triangle and armbar towards the end of that fight.
But Machida is great. Hes shotokan first and foremost and seems to be able to handle the other disiplines when he needs to use them.
To me he is different from the constant barrage of factory made MMA guys. Part of liddels appeal was his apparence (beer gut) and unorthodax style compared to the other dudes. Machida with a string of a few knockouts can reach that staus I believe. Hes even worked on his english skills that tells me he cares about not only the best fighter but best product as well.
But Machida is great. Hes shotokan first and foremost and seems to be able to handle the other disiplines when he needs to use them.
To me he is different from the constant barrage of factory made MMA guys. Part of liddels appeal was his apparence (beer gut) and unorthodax style compared to the other dudes. Machida with a string of a few knockouts can reach that staus I believe. Hes even worked on his english skills that tells me he cares about not only the best fighter but best product as well.
samprasvsfederer123
Banned
when is is too late to start a matiral art to try to be in like ufc.
Rickson
G.O.A.T.
I wouldn't go from tma to mma at all if that's your goal. Too many fighters are good at everything these days so you need to train in every aspect. If I had to pick just 2 arts, I'd go with muay thai and BJJ. You can try other combinations such as freestyle wrestling and boxing, but I believe you'd be lacking too many things. Ideally, you'd want to train in all 4 disciplines, but like I said, if I had to choose just 2, it would be the former.
maverick66
Hall of Fame
i wouldnt jump right in there. you end up like kimbo and his 11 sec of fame. if your in high school i would join the wrestling team. one of the best things to have in mma is a good wrestling backround. from there learn either boxing or muay thai. and your gonna need some bjj so you dont get tapped. you can start late and make it to the ufc but your fighting a very uphill battle. nate quarry who is a main stay on ufc cards started when he was 24-25. he also trained every day with team quest when randy couture was there so im sure that helped a lot.
maverick66
Hall of Fame
hes in the ufc. hes making a living being a fighter. so its possible to make it into the ufc. he didnt say to be a champion.
GRANITECHIEF
Hall of Fame
The ufc guys are like the upper level pro tennis players. Usually a significant portion of one's lifetime has been devoted to training. And those who make it big after starting late in the game are rare.
35ft6
Legend
On Inside MMA they talked about a recent poll in which wrestling was voted the most critical base style. Bas and the other people on the show that week agreed, you ask around and people might name two styles that is a decent base for MMA, and one is "always" wrestling. And I think they may have even said that of the many styles of wrestling, greco-roman was the best. They pointed out, it's not just the hip control and take downs, etc, but the explosiveness and strength. Something about the strength an elite wrestler has that can't be duplicated by lifting weights and can't be developed later in life. Of course there are exceptions, great champions without a hardcore wrestling background, but I tend to agree on the wrestling thing.
35ft6
Legend
At this point, they really are the best overall. Maybe not a huge difference between them and the guys who fight in Japan or in Affliction, and in some weight classes, other orgs are slightly deeper. But you watch some of the smaller promotions on cable, and the overall quality is noticeably lower. Their punches aren't as crisp and many sloppy exchanges as the fighters try to go into a different fight mode, and often they look like they're actually trying to remember what to do. Not all of the UFC fighters are exciting, but they're all pretty polished. Even with Jacares and Mousasi, I feel like I need to see how they would do in the UFC before I really know how good they are. But really, those dudes deserve 2 or 3 fights before they're judged since the Octagon and the UFC crowd takes some getting used to.
Hey, anybody else super excited by Jon Jones? Posting above about greco roman wrestling reminded me of the person who might be the most exciting new fighter I've seen in a while.
maverick66
Hall of Fame
eddie bravo was the one that said if you havnt been wrestling all your life mma is an uphill battle. he basically said if you havnt been involved in wrestling since you were a child your not gonna have great success in mma. and it was the strength that wrestling build. its amazing how strong they get.
Hot Sauce
Hall of Fame
I wouldn't say that, since there's Fedor, Torres, and Yamamoto outside of the UFC. They're the best in their respective weight classes.
However, the UFC does have the best fighters for a single organization. It's just that your comparison didn't really work for me.
hollywood9826
Hall of Fame
Plus wrestling teaches you the weight cut very early on.
I would give great wrestler with average everything else an edge over the great jits and average everything else.
How bout stand up disciplne? Is Muay Thai king for a base? Boxing, Karate, or anything else come to mind?
I would give great wrestler with average everything else an edge over the great jits and average everything else.
How bout stand up disciplne? Is Muay Thai king for a base? Boxing, Karate, or anything else come to mind?
maverick66
Hall of Fame
for mma i dont think there is one base striking style that is better than one. if you watch them they have all adjusted there striking to mma rules. you cant use straight MT because people can shoot on you. i like boxing myself as you can put quick combos together. plus jabs in mma are amazingly effective as the gloves are very small so jabs do alot of damage. kicking in mma is incredibly hard. if you dont hit it good your gonna get taken down. even anderson silva has talked about that. and i cant think of a better MT user.
hollywood9826
Hall of Fame
Rickson,
The nogs are little more than BJJ practitioners. Rogeria (SP$) was the brazilian HW boxing champ.
Vinny Malgaghes by all means a great BJJ parationer yet lost to a great wrestler. the BJJ dont do much standing, and they cant secure the takedown against the wrestlers. Chuck stuffed takedowns because of his wrestling abilities. Matt Hughes dominated because the same. Matt linland, Randy, Dan the beast. the list goes on.
Your sig is probably true. but that rear choke dont get applied from a standing position too often. Once on the mat it may be different ball game, but most people dont realize the effectiveness of a wrestler to not get taken down.
The nogs are little more than BJJ practitioners. Rogeria (SP$) was the brazilian HW boxing champ.
Vinny Malgaghes by all means a great BJJ parationer yet lost to a great wrestler. the BJJ dont do much standing, and they cant secure the takedown against the wrestlers. Chuck stuffed takedowns because of his wrestling abilities. Matt Hughes dominated because the same. Matt linland, Randy, Dan the beast. the list goes on.
Your sig is probably true. but that rear choke dont get applied from a standing position too often. Once on the mat it may be different ball game, but most people dont realize the effectiveness of a wrestler to not get taken down.
hollywood9826
Hall of Fame
in stand up its not quite as clear cut, which is kinda why i was intested in the answers. But a kickboxer or Karate guy or regular boxer or muay thai or whatever nick diaz does can be effective.
Actually what other Arts emphasize ground stuff. BJJ and Sambo are the only ones that come to mind. And Sambo to me is more of a mixture of diff MAs into than one actual art.
Actually what other Arts emphasize ground stuff. BJJ and Sambo are the only ones that come to mind. And Sambo to me is more of a mixture of diff MAs into than one actual art.
35ft6
Legend
Wonder if a Brock Lesnar could have become champ so soon with a BJJ background? Doubt it. Yes, now you have to be a complete fighter, as complete as possible.
Seems like if you HAD to pick one, MT would be it. You're allowed to knee and elbow so muay thai is great for that, plus they have the most devastating leg kicks. Boxing and Karate really don't have a lot of techniques for the clinch the way MT does. In boxing, once you clinch, they just break it up, and the karate styles I know of don't really have a lot of in fighting techniques, and the ones I know of rely more on open palm striking. MT also rules in the clinch.
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35ft6
Legend
Not sure about Yamamoto. We'll see how he does in the Dream Grand Prix. But it's inevitable he'll come to UFC. Dana has had a crush on him for a long time.
I really wouldn't mind seeing Dream style ring entrances. What do you guys think? Too pro wrestling? Would hurt its credibility in the US? Watching Dream right now, it's kind of cool to be able to hear the breathing, grunting, and straining of the fighters.
35ft6
Legend
Fedor is just a freak of fighting. The way he trains, the way he looks, how calm he is, just everything about him... he's a freak. Probably the smartest fighter out there, it's like he's been blessed with the latest version of some fighting tactical software, v.4, and everybody else is still using the v.2.1.
Hot Sauce
Hall of Fame
Really? I can't think of anyone else that comes close to him in the Bantamweight Division.
I would LOVE to see Dream style ring entrances, but I don't think it will happen in the UFC. Genki Sudo is the king of ring entrances. Do you remember Gono's entrance when he fought Fitch, and the fight before? He came out with 2 other guys, all in dresses. I thought it was pretty funny.
Anyways, check out Fedor in this Korean drama show. It would be nice to have him as backup.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byqKA2HcuUY&eurl
35ft6
Legend
I was thinking he fights featherweight and maybe lightweight. Would like to see him fight Mike Brown, Urijah, BJ Penn, even Sean Sherk. I question him simply because he's been out of serious action for so long. No doubt he's a monster for his size. He would beat the poop out of most 215 pound dudes at the bar, and that's just a really funny thought.
Loved when Genki wore a KFC bucket for a hat while wearing a jet pack blowing smoke out the top.
Hot Sauce
Hall of Fame
I think that a top Kid beats Faber or Brown. But it all comes down to whether or not he can successfully bounce back after being sidelined for such a long time. We saw that Shogun looked terrible against Coleman, mainly the cardio issue.
On another note, how does the Wandy vs. Franklin fight play out in your view?
On another note, how does the Wandy vs. Franklin fight play out in your view?
hollywood9826
Hall of Fame
I think Wandy is trrning into a punching bag. But Franklin hasnt been stellar recently either. But eff that fight.
How about Jose Canseco vs Hong man Choi?
How about Jose Canseco vs Hong man Choi?
maverick66
Hall of Fame
canseco is gonna pull out. hes already changed his confirmed status to likely. i dont see him fighting in this but he will milk it for publicity.
35ft6
Legend
I really don't know. This may be unfair, but at other boards, posters have a lot to say about Pride fighters not being the same without their "spinach." Wanderlei was just a force of nature, you know exactly what he was going to do, a lot of guys were afraid of him, he looks like some kind of mutant attack freak who should be sitting on the hood of a go kart with a leash around his neck in a Mad Max movie, and maybe it was the spinach that allowed him to sustain that level of aggression. He still has the staredown but it's almost kind of funny now, once the bell rings, he's just not the same fighter, and with his aggression down, you see how limited he is skill wise.
I guess I give the slight edge to Franklin. I have a feeling Silva is going to do what he always does, come in charging like a stupid rhino throwing nothing but flailing hooks. Really, it's not like Franklin suddenly sucks, it's just how severely he got beaten by Silva that makes him seem so vulnerable. But he went the distance with Henderson and he's still a top 10 fighter in the middleweights. Franklin seems like a smart guy, figure he'll come in with a very viable game plan.
What weight are they fighting at anyways?
MomentumGT
Semi-Pro
Not too sure but I think its a Catch Weight.
-Jon
-Jon
maverick66
Hall of Fame
there fighting at 205. franklin is bumping up to 205. i believe i have read he no longer wishes to fight at 185. after the beatings he took from silva i dont blame him for leaving 185.
Hot Sauce
Hall of Fame
They're fighting at a catchweight like MomentumGT said, 195 lbs.
I don't think that the steroids in Pride has more to do with Wandy's decline than his natural age, and the fact that he's been fighting for so long. His chin has obviously weakened greatly over all of the shots he has taken in his career, going toe-to-toe with everyone. And now that he's getting older, he just doesn't the aggression and instinct that he had before.
samprasvsfederer123
Banned
is chuck liddel resented on dana that dana wont let him fight eagain in ufc
hollywood9826
Hall of Fame
Video of a pretty sweet KO on ESPN
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=4161457
It says KO of the year but thats gonna be Lyoto in a week and a half when he lays out Sugar Rash
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=4161457
It says KO of the year but thats gonna be Lyoto in a week and a half when he lays out Sugar Rash
GRANITECHIEF
Hall of Fame
Did they play tennis on TUF last nite? I missed it.
That would be hilarious.
That would be hilarious.
maverick66
Hall of Fame
want really that funny. they didnt even know how to hold a racket.
35ft6
Legend
I fast forwarded through it. I thought they were done with those stupid challenges. In the first season, remember how Willa Ford hosted and would introduce the challenges? I think this show still has lots of room for improvement. The training sessions are kind of lame, the house reality is annoying, I've been skimming through most of it lately.
hollywood9826
Hall of Fame
I actually stopped watching it al together. But yea that first season challenges were kinda weak. And the house stuff is just lets get hammered and break the house and prank dudes. Its wearing out its welcome in my mind
maverick66
Hall of Fame
only time i laugh is when the english guys swear at each other and when they couldnt hit a tire with a sledgehammer. i wish they would focus more on the training aspect of it instead of the drama. i know the casual watcher wants to see them cry like babies but i wanna see them training.
35ft6
Legend
^ Yeah, I said the training sessions were lame, but only because they don't get into specifics and technique enough. Lately, training is used as a backdrop for the guys chosen to fight that week to talk about how important the fight is, how confident they are, why they're going to win, and these guys aren't the most interesting dudes in the world. And they all say the same crap anyways.
maverick66
Hall of Fame
i agree with you. im all for showing there fitness side of it. or how hendo teaches wrestling. i would love to see them rolling with hendo. i love the fitness side of mma as i think its harder than just about any other sport but they dont show it at all. i thought cool there gonna show it when the english guys were all standing in the free weights area but they just used it for Bisping to insult the idiot that hit himself with a hammer. its becoming the real world only they hit each other.
