MTO's have to go!

[beard]

You talk as if the players play in full health all the time and "here comes the injury" after which they are not sure whether they are injured or not. The reality is completely different: these athletes have been through so many physical issues, that they know when something is completely off and very often they know what exactly is wrong with them, since they have entered the match suffering from it.

Let's say that they don't: they are concerned about it being serious: there are two scenarios then:

1) it is serious - in that case they have the help and can see if they can continue - in that case they forfeit their next service game as an exchange for getting help
2) it isn't serious - in that case they are penalised for not making the right call and "accidentally" disrupting the flow of the events. Small punishment for taking away from their opponent and the public

In either scenario there is no issue with proceeding with the game penalty.

What you propose doesn't exist in any sport and won't exist 100%...

 

[beard]

You give an out, people will use it. Always have, always will You change rules to tighten up things and humans will adapt...always have, always will.

You are not going to see a mass number of injuries or players quitting or dropping dead on the court if MTO rules are changed. I also stand by my assertion that without an out, players across the board will adapt their styles too to lessen chances of injury.

Mail Night and Delpo to help them about injuries with your advices...

 

[Lleytonstation]

Less, but injuries are sometimes real, you know...

If it is real, then they should retire.

 

[beard]

If it is real, then they should retire.

Not every injury is for retire, and players can't know that in a second... That's why doctors examine players and they together decide... Hey it's just few minutes for God's sake... You all make too big deal with this issue...

 

[Lleytonstation]

Not every injury is for retire, and players can't know that in a second... That's why doctors examine players and they together decide... Hey it's just few minutes for God's sake... You all make too big deal with this issue...

Just seems to be getting worse, and I never needed a doctor to tell me whether I could go on or not... I played or didnt, but I made that decision, and my sport had far more serious injuries.

 

[beard]

Just seems to be getting worse, and I never needed a doctor to tell me whether I could go on or not... I played or didnt, but I made that decision, and my sport had far more serious injuries.

And I twisted my finger at 6 years old, I thought I can continue to play and injured even more destroying my future career...

 

[Raul_SJ]

What next? MTOs in boxing?

 

[Tennis_Hands]

What you propose doesn't exist in any sport and won't exist 100%...

Actually, if you think about the MTO as becoming help to get back on track, in motorsports, and in F1 in particular something like that does/did exist. The change of tires can happen only if the driver accepts a not inconsiderable time deficit (the game penalty in the proposed scenario) in exchange. Also, there was a time when the drivers were limited to how many sets of tires they could use in qualification and the race (the aforementioned number of MTOs before a player is defaulted), which limited their possibilities how they drive in both these to an extent that the tactics of the race were determined by that. In the MC Grand Prix a driver that could defend his position very well would opt for the faster compound in the Qualification and then try to keep his position in the race in the narrow streets and so on.

 

[tonylg]

Can you imagine Djokovic in the Olympic men's 100m final?

Get a bit behind? Just stop the race, hope the leader cools off and restart it again after you've had some stimulants and a little rub down.

Of course Nadal would just stand there picking his bum when the gun went off, then say "not ready" and bring everyone back.

 

[Lleytonstation]

And I twisted my finger at 6 years old, I thought I can continue to play and injured even more destroying my future career...

Well stop picking your nose then.

 

[sredna42]

Right on cue, mto for pablo

 

[Tennis_Hands]

Right on cue, mto for pablo

QED

 

[sredna42]

Seems alot of pros have fragile baby syndrome, and crohns

 

[Clay lover]

Have them wear a device that reads all pain signals sent to the brain. Not intense enough = fake

 

[Tennis_Hands]

Would PCB have taken an MTO, if he knew that he will lose his first serve game of the 5th set automatically?

I don't think so.

 

[mcs1970]

Mail Night and Delpo to help them about injuries with your advices...

I thought MTOs would have taken care of their injuries. No?

 

[tonylg]

Right on cue, mto for pablo

Perhaps Spanish Davis Cup training looks a bit like this?

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[beard]

Actually, if you think about the MTO as becoming help to get back on track, in motorsports, and in F1 in particular something like that does/did exist. The change of tires can happen only if the driver accepts a not inconsiderable time deficit (the game penalty in the proposed scenario) in exchange. Also, there was a time when the drivers were limited to how many sets of tires they could use in qualification and the race (the aforementioned number of MTOs before a player is defaulted), which limited their possibilities how they drive in both these to an extent that the tactics of the race were determined by that. In the MC Grand Prix a driver that could defend his position very well would opt for the faster compound in the Qualification and then try to keep his position in the race in the narrow streets and so on.

First sentence... No I don't think, I think of MTO as first help to potentially injured player, which shouldn't be cut of because some players use it wrongly...
Haven't read rest of post...

 

[Robert F]

Agree there is some merit to a legitmate MTO. Making sure a tweak isn't something serious can be important and sometimes treatment allows a match to continue.

Beard--if you feel a game penalty is too harsh, what could be done to eliminate the gaming MTOs?
What about the other ideas, instead of giving the injured player a penalty, should we do something to help the non-injured player stay in his/her zone?
I've suggested allowing the non-injured to hit with hitting buddy during the MTO.
Or if you take an MTO, your opponent is allowed a 1 minute time out of their choosing?

That is less aggressive but still might minimize the fake MTOs.

 

[Raul_SJ]

Agreed. But must also give the benefit of the doubt to the injured lineswoman.

Has she recovered yet? Is she still working the USO matches?

 

[Searah]

yeah very dodgy of serena doing it at deuce.
at least finish the game point.

for serenas case.. it was prob also to have a break. she was showing clear out of shapeness.

 

[Raul_SJ]

Let's say that they don't: they are concerned about it being serious: there are two scenarios then:

1) it is serious - in that case they have the help and can see if they can continue - in that case they forfeit their next service game as an exchange for getting help
2) it isn't serious - in that case they are penalised for not making the right call and "accidentally" disrupting the flow of the events. Small punishment for taking away from their opponent and the public

In either scenario there is no issue with proceeding with the game penalty.

Your proposal involves a game penalty.

 

[jmnk]

What needs to go in 'M' in MTO. Everyone knows that MTO are used any time one needs a break - whether it is medically related or not. So just make it official. You get X number of TO per set (or pay hour of a match), and you can use it as you want. If you use them up and actually do need a medical attention - you lose a game or something. You can take TO anytime while you are serving, or during the break before your serve. Otherwise you lose current game (the one that opponent is serving/is about to serve). It's not really that complicated, almost any other sport allows TO, and taking it at certain times is part of the strategy.

 

[Tennis_Hands]

Your proposal involves a game penalty.

Yes. It also involves a set penalty, and finally a default.

Any issues?

 

[tonylg]

Yes. It also involves a set penalty, and finally a default.

Any issues?

They think it's working just fine now.

 

[Mr.Lob]

There was a time, not too long ago, when times out were not allowed for Any reason. What Serena pulled last night was a joke. Good for Vica for not letting it disrupt her game.

Well, Serena is known to cheat at the U.S Open. Lost to Osaka in the finals AFTER receiving illegal coaching from Patrick.
That makes Serena 0-2 in the cheating game.