"Nadal Complex"?

[FedExpress]

With all the talk of Federer's "Nadal Complex", I just want to post something.

Outside of clay courts, Federer's H2H with Nadal is 5-3, in his favour. This would arguably be a bigger lead, but the only place they seem to meet is in the final of Wimbledon and in the Master's Cup semis, as Nadal doesn't reach many Hard Court Finals. Also in this year's Wimbledon Final, Nadal had to play his very best to edge out a slightly below par Federer 8-6 in the fifth. Obviously I'm not going to argue about clay, where Nadal is clearly better. My argument is simply that, outside of the claycourt season, with all things equal, Federer is a better player.

 

[Mungo73]

Man Nadal is mentally the stronger player when these two play. That´s why.
On hardcourts (3-2) and grass (2-1) anyone can win. On clay Nadal owns Federer (9-1). So yes Federer has a Nadal complex.

 

[FedExpress]

Man Nadal is mentally the stronger player when these two play. That´s why.
On hardcourts (3-2) and grass (2-1) anyone can win. On clay Nadal owns Federer (9-1). So yes Federer has a Nadal complex.

I've already said that Nadal is better on clay...:neutral:

How can he have a Nadal complex if he's won 5 out of their 8 non clay meetings? In fact in their first hard court meeting Nadal won while Federer was suffering from severe blisters...

 

[Charlie_Boy]

Your Federer bias is hysterical.

 

[sureshs]

It is not just a mental thing. Fed's one handed backhand and small head is not a good match for the lefty Nadal topspin. The repeated losses in Slam finals contribute to his mental state.

 

[JYD]

Your Federer bias is hysterical.

I don't like Nadal nor Federer but I agree with the OP.

 

[rosewall4ever]

Fed needs to bulk up more so he doesn't get intimidated on how manly Nadal looks lol.

 

[Nadal_Freak]

5 of those matches are either indoor hardcourts or grass. Both are really fast surfaces. Hopefully they meet up more on the slower hardcourts. Would be interesting.

 

[joashman]

IF Nadal were more CONSISTENT, he would beat Federer more on other surfaces, and not just clay. Federer is the more consistent player, consistently not so good on clay but dominant elsewhere. What would you prefer to be?

 

[Deleted member 3771]

It would be 4-4 outside clay if Nadal didnt get that knee tendon injury while he was cruising to win the Wimbledon 07 final.

The big thing is Fed is 4-10 in finals v Nadal, and 9 of those losses were big finals-slams or masters series. So Fed is obviously excellent enough to get to finals, just not excellent enough to overcome Nadal.

 

[dsa202]

Nadal sucks.

 

[dsa202]

Federer sucks.

 

[shawn1122]

The only reason people think Federer has a "Nadal Complex" is because he is probably the greatest player of all time. If Nadal wasn't around then he would have won all 4 grand slams in one year a few times now. He's the only person that has remotely stood in Federer's way during the past 4 years..so people will think he has a problem against him.

Nadal can only beat Federer on clay. The grass win Nadal got this year was because Federer was off his game, I can say with confidence that it won't happen again. And it sure as hell wouldn't have happened back when grass was the fastest possible court to play on. I think even Nadal knows he lucked out a little this year.

Nadal deserves credit though, he was always close behind Federer. He seperated himself from the pack and followed closely behind Federer. So, once Federer dropped off a little he was ready to take #1. To be honest I don't think that will last either. I don't think Nadal is going to make the semis of the Australian again.

A lot of Nadal fans seem to think Federer has mental problems against Nadal. I think that is ********. He loses confidence in his backhand on clay courts, so Nadal breaks him apart there. But if its a low bouncing court, then Federer doesn't remotely seem bothered and crushes Nadal, as we saw at the Masters Series in Shanghai.

 

[pound cat]

I don't like Nadal nor Federer but I agree with the OP.

OK. Then I'm curious. Who DO you like?

 

[crazylevity]

Man Nadal is mentally the stronger player when these two play. That´s why.
On hardcourts (3-2) and grass (2-1) anyone can win. On clay Nadal owns Federer (9-1). So yes Federer has a Nadal complex.

On clay Nadal owns the whole ATP Tour. You telling me everyone has a Nadal complex now?

 

[edmondsm]

It would be 4-4 outside clay if Nadal didnt get that knee tendon injury while he was cruising to win the Wimbledon 07 final.

The big thing is Fed is 4-10 in finals v Nadal, and 9 of those losses were big finals-slams or masters series. So Fed is obviously excellent enough to get to finals, just not excellent enough to overcome Nadal.

Your logic gave me stomach ache. Maybe if Nadal was good enough to make any GS finals on hardcourts the h2h wouldn't be so lopsided. To bad he always comes up short. Federer never seems to come up short. When there is a big clay court event, there is Federer in the final. You just can't say the same thing about Nadal on hardcourts, can you?

Federer does have some sort of issue. The amount of break points that he couldn't convert in the 2007 FO final, as well as in the 2008 Wimbledon, was perplexing.

 

[Nadal_Freak]

The only reason people think Federer has a "Nadal Complex" is because he is probably the greatest player of all time. If Nadal wasn't around then he would have won all 4 grand slams in one year a few times now. He's the only person that has remotely stood in Federer's way during the past 4 years..so people will think he has a problem against him.

Nadal can only beat Federer on clay. The grass win Nadal got this year was because Federer was off his game, I can say with confidence that it won't happen again. And it sure as hell wouldn't have happened back when grass was the fastest possible court to play on. I think even Nadal knows he lucked out a little this year.

Nadal deserves credit though, he was always close behind Federer. He seperated himself from the pack and followed closely behind Federer. So, once Federer dropped off a little he was ready to take #1. To be honest I don't think that will last either. I don't think Nadal is going to make the semis of the Australian again.

A lot of Nadal fans seem to think Federer has mental problems against Nadal. I think that is ********. He loses confidence in his backhand on clay courts, so Nadal breaks him apart there. But if its a low bouncing court, then Federer doesn't remotely seem bothered and crushes Nadal, as we saw at the Masters Series in Shanghai.

Federer didn't lose a set before the Wimbledon Finals. Federer was definitely at his usual level but Nadal has gotten a lot better on grass. He served 10-15 mph higher than he did in years past at Wimbledon. He was very close to knocking off Fed the year before. It's a matchup issue that bothers Fed on most surfaces. Indoor hardcourts is the only place it hasn't bothered Fed.

 

[welcome2petrkordaland]

hilarious thread. that people even entertain the notion that nadal is NOT in Fed's head. . . LMAO.

congrats to roger, but murray was tight, had no gameplan, and brought his best tennis leading up to the final. don't think fed wasn't hoping murray would beat nadal.

nadal, whose game is custom made for clay courts, has (at the age of 22!!) made hard court finals in TMS miami twice, dubai, TMS canada twice, TMS Indian wells, TMS Paris, TMS madrid, chennai, and prolly more. and on grass, 3 wimby finals, and a throw in a queen's club.

yeah, nadal really comes up short aside from the clay. . .

although i will concede that fed has owned nadal on hard lately, in 2 of 3 set matches. i got a feeling that could change before fed hangs it up.

 

[edmondsm]

hilarious thread. that people even entertain the notion that nadal is NOT in Fed's head. . . LMAO.

Agree 100%.

fed wasn't hoping murray would beat nadal.

I'm not so sure. I think if people are going to continue to bring up the Nadal/Federer h2h then it must be said over and over again that Federer keeps winning these hardcourt slams and Nadal is never in the final. Fed is a champion and I think that he would want a shot at Nadal in the Aussie or USO final.

nadal, whose game is custom made for clay courts, has (at the age of 22!!) made hard court finals in TMS miami twice, dubai, TMS canada twice, TMS Indian wells, TMS Paris, TMS madrid, chennai, and prolly more. and on grass, 3 wimby finals, and a throw in a queen's club.

There is no doubt that Nadal is a dynamic tennis player. I used to not think so but this year proved me wrong.

 

[robin7]

With all the talk of Federer's "Nadal Complex", I just want to post something.

Outside of clay courts, Federer's H2H with Nadal is 5-3, in his favour. This would arguably be a bigger lead, but the only place they seem to meet is in the final of Wimbledon and in the Master's Cup semis, as Nadal doesn't reach many Hard Court Finals. Also in this year's Wimbledon Final, Nadal had to play his very best to edge out a slightly below par Federer 8-6 in the fifth. Obviously I'm not going to argue about clay, where Nadal is clearly better. My argument is simply that, outside of the claycourt season, with all things equal, Federer is a better player.

Hey, the fifth set ended @ 9-7 in Nadal's favor. Only lapses of concentration from Nadal in the end of the 3rd set prevented Federer from losing in straight sets. Don't forget that Nadal should have beaten Federer in 2007 when he was having break points @ 40-15 twice in the fifth set and both occasions were saved by Federer's huge serves.

Anyway, I agreed with u that Federer is a better player on HC until Nadal starts winning some tournaments @ AO & USO.

 

[carlos djackal]

With all the talk of Federer's "Nadal Complex", I just want to post something.

Outside of clay courts, Federer's H2H with Nadal is 5-3, in his favour. This would arguably be a bigger lead, but the only place they seem to meet is in the final of Wimbledon and in the Master's Cup semis, as Nadal doesn't reach many Hard Court Finals. Also in this year's Wimbledon Final, Nadal had to play his very best to edge out a slightly below par Federer 8-6 in the fifth. Obviously I'm not going to argue about clay, where Nadal is clearly better. My argument is simply that, outside of the claycourt season, with all things equal, Federer is a better player.

have to agree here but I think Nadal is also improving in every surface......

 

[joke-a-vich]

It would be 4-4 outside clay if Nadal didnt get that knee tendon injury while he was cruising to win the Wimbledon 07 final.

it would be 6-3 if fed didn't have mono...

 

[FedExpress]

Hey, the fifth set ended @ 9-7 in Nadal's favor. Only lapses of concentration from Nadal in the end of the 3rd set prevented Federer from losing in straight sets. Don't forget that Nadal should have beaten Federer in 2007 when he was having break points @ 40-15 twice in the fifth set and both occasions were saved by Federer's huge serves.

Anyway, I agreed with u that Federer is a better player on HC until Nadal starts winning some tournaments @ AO & USO.

You can't say he "should" have won, he created some opportunities, but Federer simply came up with the right shots at the right time, which made him the better player on the day.

 

[Deleted member 3771]

They were saved due to Nadal moving worse and playing worse due to his knee tendon injury.

Hey, the fifth set ended @ 9-7 in Nadal's favor. Only lapses of concentration from Nadal in the end of the 3rd set prevented Federer from losing in straight sets. Don't forget that Nadal should have beaten Federer in 2007 when he was having break points @ 40-15 twice in the fifth set and both occasions were saved by Federer's huge serves.

Anyway, I agreed with u that Federer is a better player on HC until Nadal starts winning some tournaments @ AO & USO.

 

[Nadal_Monfils]

There's no such thing as a Nadal Complex, Nadal is just better than Federer.

 

[Mungo73]

On clay Nadal owns the whole ATP Tour. You telling me everyone has a Nadal complex now?

others aren´t even close to Nadal on clay. Fed had his chances but didn´t take them because he has a Nadal complex+ is not mentally as strong as him. It happened before in Dubai and at Wimbledon this year. If he can´t ace Nadal he gets tight. Sorry Fed fans, it´s not only on clay. I thought you learnt the lesson.
Nadal was not experienced in that Miami final he lost in 5 sets. Otherwise he would lead Fed 3-2 on hardcourts.

 

[ThugNasty]

Hey, the fifth set ended @ 9-7 in Nadal's favor. Only lapses of concentration from Nadal in the end of the 3rd set prevented Federer from losing in straight sets. Don't forget that Nadal should have beaten Federer in 2007 when he was having break points @ 40-15 twice in the fifth set and both occasions were saved by Federer's huge serves.

Anyway, I agreed with u that Federer is a better player on HC until Nadal starts winning some tournaments @ AO & USO.

Utter BS. Federer completed owned that tiebreak and was more careful with his serve then in the first 2 sets.

 

[ThugNasty]

There's no such thing as a Nadal Complex, Nadal is just better than Federer.

yeah i am so sure you can make assumptions like that by head to head. Nadal has 5 GS, federer has 13. Michael stich has a winning record against sampras, so now stitch is better than sampras i suppose

 

[ThugNasty]

others aren´t even close to Nadal on clay. Fed had his chances but didn´t take them because he has a Nadal complex+ is not mentally as strong as him. It happened before in Dubai and at Wimbledon this year. If he can´t ace Nadal he gets tight. Sorry Fed fans, it´s not only on clay. I thought you learnt the lesson.
Nadal was not experienced in that Miami final he lost in 5 sets. Otherwise he would lead Fed 3-2 on hardcourts.

 

[Mungo73]

Nadal can only beat Federer on clay. The grass win Nadal got this year was because Federer was off his game, I can say with confidence that it won't happen again. And it sure as hell wouldn't have happened back when grass was the fastest possible court to play on. I think even Nadal knows he lucked out a little this year.

Nadal deserves credit though, he was always close behind Federer. He seperated himself from the pack and followed closely behind Federer. So, once Federer dropped off a little he was ready to take #1. To be honest I don't think that will last either. I don't think Nadal is going to make the semis of the Australian again.

A lot of Nadal fans seem to think Federer has mental problems against Nadal. I think that is ********. He loses confidence in his backhand on clay courts, so Nadal breaks him apart there. But if its a low bouncing court, then Federer doesn't remotely seem bothered and crushes Nadal, as we saw at the Masters Series in Shanghai.

LMAO Nadal can beat Fed on all surfaces, you need to watch the replays again? Fed played well in Wimbledon and was lucky to win sets 3 and 4. The rain helped him a lot in the 3rd set. Nadal almost beat him in straight sets.
Fed was the lucky one going to 5 sets,not Nadal. Had Nadal played in 2007 like he did in 2008 he would have won both times. That´s how I see it.
Nadal won´t make the AO semis again? ROFL some Fed fans are delirious after the tough year they had
Shangai is indoors dude and all the Slams are outdoors so who cares? 2006 was a close match, it was a break in the final game of each set, and 2007 was only easy for Fed in the 2nd set. Wanna see a beatdown? RG final man. That was the only beatdown between these two!

 

[Mungo73]

That´s what you have done the whole year. haw haw!

 

[ThugNasty]

That´s what you have done the whole year. haw haw!

Mungo head, not everyone is like you , this is indeed you, Haw Haw

 

[SirBlend12]

mungo, in regards to your sig...

 

[Rhino]

There's no such thing as a Nadal Complex, Nadal is just better than Federer.

Except when Nadal has a Federer complex.