TheTruth
G.O.A.T.
I agree, it makes it more fun. But I liked Roger better with the ponytail and I liked his clothes better back then too.
Nadal....end of an era.
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I agree, it makes it more fun. But I liked Roger better with the ponytail and I liked his clothes better back then too.
saram
Legend
Nicely said. Glad to hear a Rafa fan appreciate the differences here. I too like the contrasting styles of the two.
Kobble
Hall of Fame
I think we were all amazed that someone finally got the best of Federer. There was nobody on the radar for a long time. Just occasional guys to step up once every 2 years. Now, the amazement has faded a bit. I know I really liked watching Nadal when he first won the French. I couldn't believe what I was watching. The running forehand that Gilbert said was 4.2 speed, to the wink he gave to Tony, who gave one to Carillo, when there was question whether or not he would pull through a match. Just awesome.
Gen
Banned
Sleeveless shirts and pirates were Nadal's trademark. They were in line with his tennis style. They showed his beatuful body to the best advantage. What greedy and stupid Nike has done is abominable. The best biceps in the workd hidden in these atrocious sleeves, shorts over the bandages, cut-off hair. I do hope that when Nadal martures enough not to rely on the nikes of this world, he'll get back to his own style.
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tahiti
Professional
It's what is in the heart that remains King of Aces. Spirit. Nadal has a spirited belief in himself that clothes don't alter.
A lot of people on this board would prefer Rafa to conform to the norm. We'd end up with a mouse like character who played within the lines of the tennis rule book. He would become a robot who showed no emotion, never encouraged himself, he would speak perfect English, wear sun-glasses to cover his wild eyes.
He'd start flicking his hair or adjusting his shirt sleeves and make tennis matches as short as possible so no one could enjoy.
He would never implement his own strategy and he would walk like Rudolph Nurev. Fortunately, Rafa is a lot more open minded
A lot of people on this board would prefer Rafa to conform to the norm. We'd end up with a mouse like character who played within the lines of the tennis rule book. He would become a robot who showed no emotion, never encouraged himself, he would speak perfect English, wear sun-glasses to cover his wild eyes.
He'd start flicking his hair or adjusting his shirt sleeves and make tennis matches as short as possible so no one could enjoy.
He would never implement his own strategy and he would walk like Rudolph Nurev. Fortunately, Rafa is a lot more open minded
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srinrajesh
Guest
I remember him seeing him as a 16 year old doubles player and he had some mannerisms already with the screams and even butting at times
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Deleted member 3771
Guest
King,
I never saw the 'rebel' you described.That's a weird tag. I just saw a genus in comfortable clothes. And now hes in sleeves, not much difference.
Mabe you grew up playing 'soft' sports or something and youre not used to the competitive type.
I never saw the 'rebel' you described.That's a weird tag. I just saw a genus in comfortable clothes. And now hes in sleeves, not much difference.
Mabe you grew up playing 'soft' sports or something and youre not used to the competitive type.
oscar_2424
Legend
Dont take this the wrong way.....but with Nadal being the #1 player he is no longer that rebel who burst on the scene that looked like a superhero with his sleeveless shirts and knee high capris.
I will always miss those days. I am afraid that Nadals conservative new look signals the end of an era . I do not believe that we will ever get those rebel days back.
i agree
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Deleted member 3771
Guest
you're right about 1 thing, its the end of a fedERA.
AJD Tennis
New User
The No sleeves look was harder for Nike to Market so they persuaded Rafa to wear what he has now.
King of Aces
Banned
Agassi was originally a rebel as well but then changed his image
The difference is that Nadal can actually play tennis while Agassi sucked.
King of Aces
Banned
Sometimes one is a rebel by virtue of simply ones existence.
According to the establishment Nadal simply did everything "wrong"
1- Strokes: Nadals bullwhip strokes are "wrong" and Rogers are classically"right"
2- On court behavior: Yelling "vamos" is "wrong" and unsportsmanlike rather after hitting a nice shot you must respectfully stay quiet and get ready for the next point.
3- ShirtsWearing sleevess uncollared shirts is "wrong" tennis attire. Rather one should wear a white shirt with a collar
4- shorts wearing "Capris' or any shorts below the knees are "wrong". Shorts must be above the knee.
5- body type haveing bulging biceps is "wrong" and should be hidden at all costs. Tennis players should be lean as....i.e......Roger Federer.
6- race Nadal is the "wrong" race. Tennis is a classically wealthy white sport. Dark hispanics were not allowed into country clubs and it was frowned on to excel in the top ranks of tennis. Tennis .
Cyan
Hall of Fame
:sigh: ....................
fednad
Hall of Fame
Read again what you wrote and make a new poll on this board asking about your age with one option being below 5 years. Almost everyone will vote for it.
thejoe
Hall of Fame
How old are you?
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
Agassi was very talented but there's no doubt for me that Nadal is better. He's mentally tougher, more consistent, more dedicated and Agassi has never dominated the tour the way Nadal is right now.
jrachiever
Rookie
In your opinion, how many people in the history of the world could actually play tennis? Less than 5 probably?
Nadal is a Spaniard, meaning he's from Spain. Spain is a country that is in Europe. People from Europe are considered to be white people. Hence, Nadal is a white person, who, from what I understand, come from a family that isn't exactly poor.
hoodjem
G.O.A.T.
Hey Ump! ARRRRGGGHHH! YOU AND ME, RIGHT NOW! OUT BACK!! NOW!
vtmike
Banned
I know others have asked you...and I remember asking you this question before too...He is 17 people...which explains a lot!
King of Aces
Banned
tahiti
Professional
King of Aces - Agassi wasn't nothing. He was an amazing sportsmen into his late 30's!
I will agree somewhere with you though. Not about the clothes. I get the feeling that Americans generally don't like immgrants and we know where they come from. Maybe they associate these places together? Just an idea, because some of the comments are truely........well you know which ones I mean.
I will agree somewhere with you though. Not about the clothes. I get the feeling that Americans generally don't like immgrants and we know where they come from. Maybe they associate these places together? Just an idea, because some of the comments are truely........well you know which ones I mean.
King of Aces
Banned
I agree...I guess I was unclear.
Agassi during his rebel days was not all that great of a player.
He only became great when he started to lose his hair and mature.
He had already lost his hair when he won wimbledon and tried to cover it up by weaing a hat.
The point is Agassi only became great when his rebel days ended.
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thejoe
Hall of Fame
I think you have proven that you don't know much about him, so you should probably stop posting about him as if you were there.
King of Aces
Banned
wrong....Agassi became great only when he started to mature....here look again...his very first grand slam win:
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King of Aces
Banned
hOW ABOUT THE FRENCH??:
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King of Aces
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tahiti
Professional
haha... or
Rafa: Umpire. If you put spur in my butt I bolt ok?:twisted:
Roger -Country Music - RafA - rock n' roll haha good one. How about
Roger - jazz Rafa- bossa nova
Roger- Pop/disco Rafa - House
Roger - Bb - Rafa B #
icedevil0289
G.O.A.T.
lol. Roger is an AC/DC fan. On his website, he says that he primarily likes rock music.
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
You're the one who needs to learn more. At Nadal's age Agassi had won 3 masters, 1 slam and 19 titles overall, so yes compared to Nadal he didn't really amount to much.
In case you forgot Nadal's numbers, it's 6 slams, 12 masters and 32 titles overall + Olympic gold.
egn
Hall of Fame
No offense but Nadal is amazing but Agassi did not suck...The fact is at Nadal's age if he had accomplished what Agassi had people would be destining him for great things still. Agassi had success in his rebel ages and probably would have been more successful if he had not been so damn rebellious.
thejoe
Hall of Fame
Where the hell in my previous post did I mention Nadal? What exactly do I need to learn? I know those numbers, you spout them at the drop of a hat. I was not comparing him to Nadal. So, you agree with the moron that Agassi "sucked" because he had not had the same level of success as Nadal at his age? Try reading my post, and then see how irrelevant your rebuttal was.
Toxicmilk
Professional
What is with this post? I don't mind you Veronquem, in fact I usually like reading your posts. Thejoe was just saying that Agassi does not suck, especially in his "rebellious" hair years. =/
I don't see how anyone who has played that level of tennis and won multiple slams, suck.
King of Aces
Banned
I meant that during his early years Agassi was criticized for not being able to win a slam.
As the pictures demonstate Agassi only started to win slams as h started to mature an his hairline receded .
On the other hand Nadal just keeps on rolling despite his odd looks.
Bottom line: who cares? How did we get on to this topic ? All I know is that I miss the old Nadal..... That's it.
Joseph L. Barrow
Professional
Yes, I do feel like Nadal is less exciting now that he isn't an earth-shaker anymore. Now, Federer has been thoroughly toppled from his perch, Nadal has been soundly on top for a pretty good while, and he's become a bit more conformist in dress and on-court demeanor, which all amounts to somewhat of a loss of that particular "spark" he brought to the sport when he was a hungry young tiger on the rise.
egn
Hall of Fame
You started the topic by saying Nadal is the biggest rebel ever, Nadal fought the establishment and calling Agassi sucky. Did you read what you wrote in your past 20 something posts in this thread.
King of Aces
Banned
In any event I still miss the sleeveles look of Nadal
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veroniquem
Bionic Poster
Agassi was always very talented but as a young player, his results were erratic, his ranking: year end #10 at 21 and year end #9 at 22 didn't reflect his true potential. I was a fan and I was frustrated he couldn't do better. I don't think it's an insult to Agassi to say that he realized his potential at a time when most players start slowing down and he disappointed at the time when most players hit their prime. It's just the truth.
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veroniquem
Bionic Poster
This is a thread about Nadal, Agassi came in the conversation only as an element of comparison to Nadal.
For all his stunning talent, Agassi was an underachiever at the age of 23, big time. I only quoted the numbers to illustrate that point. I mean almost all the great had more than 1 slam around or even before 23: Federer, Connors, Sampras, Borg, McEnroe, Nadal, etc
Once again I like Agassi and while he certainly never sucked, he definitely underachieved at a time when a lot of players post their best results (around 22).
THERAFA
Banned
Agassi is a lot more complex than Rafa, I remember Agassi's girlfriend (the one with dark hair that wore the leather jacket during 1992 Wimbledon) said that Agassi hated his father so much that before he turned pro he regularly lost important matches on purpose to disappoint his father, and then when he turned pro he wasn't used to winning importanty matches (US Open Final, French Open Finals etc.) because he'd lost so many of them when he was a kid, so he didn't know how to LIFT himself mentally in:
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veroniquem
Bionic Poster
You mean Wendy? Yes, Agassi was a tormented young guy with some anger issues. Nadal seems more balanced and happier with his life.
