Nadal is the best - Murray

sunnyIce

sunnyIce

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Oh no he didn't. Why why oh why.

Found this from Andy, also a teaser from Nole. haha. we know who's side they are on. Youth Power!

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/latest/2011/06/19/nadal-is-the-best-murray-115875-23212726/

World number four Murray said: "Rafa for me is maybe the best. He's very young, he's got everything including a gold medal in the Olympics and the Davis Cup so that also is something that's very impressive."

He added: "He's won on all of the surfaces and his head-to-head record with Federer is very impressive, so I think he's got a very strong case for being the best player."

Djokovic was less willing to commit to either man but he feels Nadal's youth is an important factor. The Serb said: "Obviously results-wise it's Federer, he has won the most grand slams. He's still up there. But Nadal has been incredible the last couple of years.

"He has won the Olympics, he has won Davis Cup, he has won everything that a tennis player can imagine to win. So I think Nadal has maybe more years to play at the top of men's tennis."
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TheMagicianOfPrecision

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By 2013 Nadal will be washed up and will fade away, i cant wait!!
 
Nadalfan89

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Murray, the world number 4 who has played Nadal and Federer both on multiple occasions, vs fat neckbeards on TT.
 
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sunnyIce said:
Oh no he didn't. Why why oh why.

Found this from Andy, also a teaser from Nole. haha. we know who's side they are on. Youth Power!

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/latest/2011/06/19/nadal-is-the-best-murray-115875-23212726/

World number four Murray said: "Rafa for me is maybe the best. He's very young, he's got everything including a gold medal in the Olympics and the Davis Cup so that also is something that's very impressive."

He added: "He's won on all of the surfaces and his head-to-head record with Federer is very impressive, so I think he's got a very strong case for being the best player."

Djokovic was less willing to commit to either man but he feels Nadal's youth is an important factor. The Serb said: "Obviously results-wise it's Federer, he has won the most grand slams. He's still up there. But Nadal has been incredible the last couple of years.

"He has won the Olympics, he has won Davis Cup, he has won everything that a tennis player can imagine to win. So I think Nadal has maybe more years to play at the top of men's tennis."
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These guys just tell it how it is. There is no better judge than the strongest peers of Nadal and Fred.

March 2011:
Q. What was behind you saying to him in the trophy ceremony that you thought he was the best player ever?

NOVAK DJOKOVIC: Well, I think I have said what I needed to say. There is nothing behind. It's just what I think.

Q. So you think he's better all‑time than Roger?

NOVAK DJOKOVIC: I think he's the best ever because, even though he's 24, 25 years old, he has done so much already, you know. Many years in front of him to, you know, I think even to overtake Roger in the Grand Slam trophies.
 
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nikdom

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A 30 yr old p1ssing on their chances at GS events, what else do you think Murray and Djokovic are going to say?... LOL

Kissing up to Nadal is not going to buy Murray a big one. With that attitude of hero worship, in fact he can forget ever winning one if he ever has to face his buddy.

What a bunch of jokers. Like Roger cares what a guy with 2 slams and another with none thinks about him.
 
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bolo

G.O.A.T.
It's safest to say that nadal's prodigicality has thrown the whole federer goat debate into total chaos. :) That's basically what happened at the USO last year and nadal keeps going with the FO this year.

Ofcourse you can't fault the young guys for getting a little excited and putting nadal ahead of federer already can we? Can we?!
 
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TennisandMusic

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Nadal is the man of the hour once again. Maybe the best ever they say. Weeks ago Djokovic was literally unstoppable, now no one is talking about him at all. If Federer wins Wimbledon all of the talk will be how he is once again the best of all time.

The internet has made sports analysis pure insanity.
 
JustBob

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TheNatural said:
These guys just tell it how it is. There is no better judge than the strongest peers of Nadal and Fred.

March 2011:
Q. What was behind you saying to him in the trophy ceremony that you thought he was the best player ever?

NOVAK DJOKOVIC: Well, I think I have said what I needed to say. There is nothing behind. It's just what I think.

Q. So you think he's better all‑time than Roger?

NOVAK DJOKOVIC: I think he's the best ever because, even though he's 24, 25 years old, he has done so much already, you know. Many years in front of him to, you know, I think even to overtake Roger in the Grand Slam trophies.
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And then proceeds to beat Nadal 4 times in a row and lose to Federer.

Soon enough, when both Djoker and Murray start piling up the Rafa beatdowns, they will both change their minds. :)
 
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JustBob said:
And then proceeds to beat Nadal 4 times in a row and lose to Federer.

Soon enough, when both Djoker and Murray start piling up the Rafa beatdowns, they will both change their minds. :)
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Nadal's FO win v Fred after Fred beat him probably reinforces his view that Nadal is the best ever.
 
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nikdom said:
A 30 yr old p1ssing on their chances at GS events, what else do you think Murray and Djokovic are going to say?... LOL

Kissing up to Nadal is not going to buy Murray a big one. With that attitude of hero worship, in fact he can forget ever winning one if he ever has to face his buddy.

What a bunch of jokers. Like Roger cares what a guy with 2 slams and another with none thinks about him.
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Maybe we should ask Max Mirnyi what he thinks instead. :oops:
 
JustBob

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TheNatural said:
Nadal's FO win v Fred after Fred beat him probably reinforces his view that Nadal is the best ever.
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Yes of course. A 25 y/o Rafa beating a 29 y/o Fed on his best surface would reinforce that notion.


(In the brains of people with an IQ lower than their shoe size.)
 
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JustBob said:
Yes of course. A 25 y/o Rafa beating a 29 y/o Fed on his best surface would reinforce that notion.


(In the brains of people with an IQ lower than their shoe size.)
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so Nadal is less great now after thumping Fred again to win another slam. I see, Now I have heard it all.
 
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nikdom said:
Who cares what Mirnyi thinks. It was folks like you and TheTruth who got their panties in a bunch.
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No. You are getting your scrunchies in a bunch about what Murray and Djokovic think. hypocite much.:oops:
 
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AM95

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Rhino said:
It will be hilarious if Federer beats Nadal in the final.
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no.

it will be pure joy for me to see federer thrash murray in the final in 3 sets, more so than seeing a fedal final with federer winning. why? because he'll shut this pathetic excuse for a profesional tennis player up. until murray has a slam, he should keep his mouth shut and not weigh in on such opinions. he's a born loser who chokes in every big pressure moment, as seen in his 0-3 record in slam finals (2 of the losses coming to post-prime federer, and all 3 of these finals ending in three quick sets)

djokovic is doing well to keep his mouth shut after federer gave him a masterclass on clay..which is still unbelievable because thats federer's worst surface djokovic is like 6 years younger than him?
 
AM95

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TheNatural said:
so Nadal is less great now after thumping Fred again to win another slam. I see, Now I have heard it all.
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i'd hardly call his performance "thumping". seems that you forgot about the gift federer gave to nadal by beating djokovic and then choking away the first set after being up 5-2.
 
mandy01

mandy01

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With Djokovic,it was an obvious dig (his reply during his interview was a dead giveaway) but I think Murray has always preferred Nadal and more importantly,Nadal's brand of tennis (I suppose he can relate to it in some ways).So it's fine.He's allowed to feel what he feels.
 
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tenniselbow1

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"The judges have spoken, Nadal is GOAT"

Lol at Novak ever calling Nadal the GOAT over Rafa anytime soon after what happened in the French. He spoke way to soon at IW and said infact the opposite here at Wimbi. That was my first thought after Roger won actually, Novak will never be involved in this conversation again:) And thats what he's doing.

Murray (who also doesn't like Fed never has) just needs a good beating by Fed, its been too long:)
 
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tenniselbow1

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That said if you poll the current ATP tour and all active players that have been on the tour with both Rafa and Roger in it. I'd guesstimate the number of players that would pick Fed at this moment are close to 85% or more. Fed's GOAT status is quite secure.
 
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tenniselbow1

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The judges have spoken, Nadal is GOAT"

Lol at Novak ever calling Nadal the GOAT over FED anytime soon after what happened in the French. He spoke way to soon at IW and said infact the opposite here at Wimbi. That was my first thought after Roger won actually, Novak will never be involved in this conversation again:) And thats what he's doing.

Murray (who also doesn't like Fed never has) just needs a good beating by Fed, its been too long:)
 
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Nicholas Warino

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According to this thread, the ability of someone at tennis perfectly correlates with their ability to judge the historical talents of other players' tennis abilities. Using this logic:

Murray and Novak say Nadal > Federer.

Nadal says Federer > Nadal.

Nadal > Murray and Novak.

Ergo, Federer > Nadal.
 
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tenniselbow1

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tenniselbow1 said:
That said if you poll the current ATP tour and all active players that have been on the tour with both Rafa and Roger in it. I'd guesstimate the number of players that would pick Fed at this moment are close to 85% or more. Fed's GOAT status is quite secure.
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I change that the numbers would be over 90% close to 95% with just the "haters" like Murray saying differently. Murray needs a royal beat down from the Maestro soon:) Sampras, Agassi, Mats, Borg, and JMac have all picked a 29 yo 3rd seeded Roger to win at Wimbi.. Who do you think these legends have as the GOAT at the moment? :)
 
Nadalfan89

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Nicholas Warino said:
According to this thread, the ability of someone at tennis perfectly correlates with their ability to judge the historical talents of other players' tennis abilities. Using this logic:

Murray and Novak say Nadal > Federer.

Nadal says Federer > Nadal.

Nadal > Murray and Novak.

Ergo, Federer > Nadal.
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When you disregard the rest of your idiotic post, the bolded quote is actually correct.
 
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pudelko

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To me it seems like Nadal is training hard to win. You can tell he probably trains twice as much as Federer just by his physique. He is at his peak and will probably continue winning slams for the next few years.

Federer seems to rely more on his raw talent rather then working harder to improve. Of course I could be wrong and he could train more then Nadal, but I dont think thats likely, especially now that he has a family.

Nadal definitely deserves to be considered GOAT if he manages to pass Fed in the Slam Count and if Federer doesnt win the gold medal next year. Not to mention the head to head.

Having said that I do cheer for Federer myself, just because I like his style of play more then Nadal's.
 
Omega_7000

Omega_7000

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Nicholas Warino said:
According to this thread, the ability of someone at tennis perfectly correlates with their ability to judge the historical talents of other players' tennis abilities. Using this logic:

Murray and Novak say Nadal > Federer.

Nadal says Federer > Nadal.

Nadal > Murray and Novak.

Ergo, Federer > Nadal.
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cc0509

cc0509

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The bottom line is does it really matter what any of these players say? Everybody is entitled to his/her own opinion but who cares. It does not diminish in any way either Roger's or Rafa's achievements. It is all just extraneous noise really. Their achievements speak for themselves.
 
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tenniselbow1

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pudelko said:
To me it seems like Nadal is training hard to win. You can tell he probably trains twice as much as Federer just by his physique. He is at his peak and will probably continue winning slams for the next few years.

Federer seems to rely more on his raw talent rather then working harder to improve. Of course I could be wrong and he could train more then Nadal, but I dont think thats likely, especially now that he has a family.

Nadal definitely deserves to be considered GOAT if he manages to pass Fed in the Slam Count and if Federer doesnt win the gold medal next year. Not to mention the head to head.

Having said that I do cheer for Federer myself, just because I like his style of play more then Nadal's.
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Read this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Olympic_medalists_in_tennis..

Now tell me WTH does the GOAT debate have to to with an Olympic Gold medal. How it can even be considered over even 1 WTF considering who has historically won it is beyond me. Agassi is the only player other than Rafa with over 2 slams to have won the thing! Preparation, conditioning, training for it is nowhere near as intensive for the top 10 players in the world at the moment and has not been in the past. Do you remember what happened last year with Rafa prior to his finals run in the WTF? He played to peak at the event as other players do as well (Much like a slam). This does not happen with the Olympics.
 
nadalbestclass

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Why does it bother people that Murray or Djoko push for Rafa? It's just their opinion...maybe they share a better relationship with Rafa. Maybe there is some hidden agenda. Who knows? It's not like God has spoken and declared Rafa greater than Fed!

Anyway, as Rafa said 6 is a lot and still very far away. Right now, it will be nice if he can equal Borg in the number of slams.
 
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cc0509 said:
The bottom line is does it really matter what any of these players say? Everybody is entitled to his/her own opinion but who cares. It does not diminish in any way either Roger's or Rafa's achievements. It is all just extraneous noise really. Their achievements speak for themselves.
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yes, but its very noteworthy to know what the 2 best players outside of Fed and Nadal think and why they think it. Opinions are often debated in this forum, and the opinions of the top players hold infinitely more weight than that of forum members. Forum users can look to what the top players think so find out truths. Who cares if some forum members do not highly regard the davis cup or Gold in singles or favorable h2h just because these achievements don't favor their favorite player. Besides highlighting the current slam #s that Nadal has, the fact these top guys highlight these other achievements when they reason why Nadal is the greatest, shows how highly they regard them all. Guys like Sampras and Mcenroe also highlight these other achievements besides Nadal's growing slam # when they say Nadal has a strong arguement for already being regarded as the greatest ever.
 
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mandy01

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TheNatural said:
Guys like Sampras and Mcenroe also highlight these other achievements besides Nadal's growing slam # when they say Nadal has a strong arguement for already being regarded as the greatest ever.
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And yet,going by pure statistics,Nadal doesn't lead Federer anywhere except clay.But then we already knew how great he is on clay.
 
cc0509

cc0509

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TheNatural said:
yes, but its very noteworthy to know what the 2 best players outside of Fed and Nadal think and why they think it. Opinions are often debated in this forum, and the opinions of the top players hold infinitely more weight than that of forum members. Forum users can look to what the top players think so find out truths. Who cares if some forum members do not highly regard the davis cup or Gold in singles or favorable h2h just because these achievements don't favor their favorite player. Besides highlighting the current slam #s that Nadal has, the fact these top guys highlight these other achievements when they reason why Nadal is the greatest, shows how highly they regard them all. Guys like Sampras and Mcenroe also highlight these other achievements besides Nadal's growing slam # when they say Nadal has a strong arguement for already being regarded as the greatest ever.
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To me it seems you are too influenced by what Djokovic or Murray say at any given moment. Djokovic has said in the span of six months that both Roger and Rafa are the greatest. Djokovic would say the Devil is the greatest if he thought that was the thing to say at the time. Djokovic also did not say Nadal was the greatest in his most recent comment. He said in terms of achievements Roger is still the best and this is true. He went on to say Nadal is still young and can still achieve more which is also true, but at this point in time Nadal is not the greatest.

People like McEnroe and other commentators change their tunes every week it seems as well. You have to take what any of them say with a grain of salt imo. You have to realize most of these players or commentators that make comments about players usually have an agenda. The only thing that can determine who the greatest is right now is the overall achievements of a player. You can argue all night and all day, but, in terms of achievements Nadal is not the best, yet. He may well be at some point, but right at this very moment Roger is the best and I don't care if Laver, Borg, Lendl, and God him/herself comes out tomorrow and states Nadal is the best. It will not be so until Nadal surpasses Roger in all the pertinent tennis records. That is my opinion.
 
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