Davy_for _GOAT
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When did Murray waste time or take injury timeouts?
Nadal time-wasting gem
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When did Murray waste time or take injury timeouts?
40 is plenty time to do whatever you want, including OCD etc. If you are wasting more time than 40 seconds then you obviously deserve a point penalty.
namelessone
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40 seconds is too much,most players,if we start counting from the second the point is over,pass the 20 second mark easily and at the top level I have seen many go in the 25-30 second mark.
So 30 would be more like it. I think it is enough time. If it is still not enough time for Nadal's OCD fuelled rituals then penalise him for it and that's that.
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namelessone
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Definitely. When he has been warned in his career,once the OCD started I mean,he did go a bit faster,but he still did the rituals he had at the time. So even when he was warned he wouldn't give up these things for a little more speed,he just tried to do them at a faster rate. A few service games later he was back to his old self and the umpire must have though "I'll let this guy slide".
A guy who,when he was leading soderling by 11-1 in games in Rome,was seriously arranging his water bottles to face the part of the court he was playing on(as if he needed luck to win one more game) has OCD.
This goes beyond superstitions.
P_Agony
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Not in my list. There were incredible points yes, but they were mixed with some uber-pusher points. I liked how Djokovic kept it together during the match, and the winner was truly unkown until the last point, but really, I've seen better matches this year. If I recall currently the stats aren't totally in this match's favor - both players had way more unforced errors than winners.
Davy_for _GOAT
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Wow, on of the best matches of the year is more memorable for its time-wasting than the quality of tennis!
Could this be a weak era after all?
Could this be a weak era after all?
reversef
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I don't see any provocation in what Nadal did. He was in his bubble of concentration and remembered that he was playing with new balls. He signaled it. What happened is that, in the circomstances of the match, it got on Soderling's nerves because he had started to concentrate and he had that awful reaction. What he did then is the only provocation.
reversef
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That's the only thing he did, indeed. Soderling took it badly because he knew it. He had changed racquet for that reason. But Nadal is so much in his bubble of concentration that he just showed the ball mechanically. Nobody who wants to be fair would call that a provocation.
reversef
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Which humiliation? The one who tried to humiliate the other one is Soderling. Don't try to reverse the roles.
reversef
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I found the source again. The survey was made amongst the french players. The question was "Who is the most antipathetic player?". Winners: Berdych, Coria, Spepanek and Soderling.
http://tennis.blogs.liberation.fr/2008/2008/05/berdych-lu-sale.html
reversef
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You could accept that other people have different tastes than you. Pete mastered the serve, good for him, but I don't watch tennis to see that. And my favourite players have always been a different kind of players. My first favourite player was Wilander, if it gives you an idea. I respect others' tastes, but I'll never accept that some people choose for the other ones what "good tennis" is.
Lsmkenpo
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You are absolutely biased, Nadal did it on purpose, he even yelled out new balls so everyone could hear, never do players yell out new balls, especially Nadal. Did you also miss the crowd laughing at that point? Why do you think they laughed, because they were all giddy in excitement over new balls in the game? Nadal was trying to show up Soderling, plain and simple, Did you also miss Nadal shaking his head and looking disgusted, what do you think he was doing there, just a part of his OCD ritual or what?
You are bordering on becoming an unreasonable poster, haters(Soderling) see what they want to see. Admit that both players didn't handle the situation as professionals and move on, quite trying to make Nadal look like an innocent victim.
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namelessone
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I think this is the best conclusion to this discussion for all parties involved. We have been beating a dead horse for a couple of pages.
reversef
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Honestly, I don't think he said "new balls" to make fun of Soderling. I think he didn't understand why Soderling had taken another racquet, then he remembered he had new balls. It's not that I want to make him look like an innocent victim. If we were talking about the Berdych story, I would say that his reaction was really bad (the reaction of a spoiled kid). No need to say that B. was stupid for such a small thing. But in this case, the only one to blame is Soderling for me. Nadal was in his bubble of concentration and distracted from the rest for me.
namelessone
Legend
No. Nadal was clearly poking fun at Soderling for taking so long to realise that there were new balls, hence saying new balls in front of him after preparing to serve the second time round. Soderling got up earlier than Nadal from his seat,stayed a few seconds around the baseline,prepared to receive and once Nadal started his routine,he went to get a new racket,leaving Nadal alone on court. Either Soderling knew that there were new balls and did this to mess with Nadal's head(it was the beginning of the fifth and Nadal was serving so a early break couldn't hurt) or someone told him at the exact time that Nadal was serving that there were new balls and the swede went to his bag(I'm sure Nadal wouldn't have minded if he told him to wait on his serve a bit).
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wow... now that is what i call a survey.
Methodology : a french tabloid asks 11 french players who is the most disliked player for them.
now that is a credible source....
this scientific rigour has the stench of Nadal_Freak
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reversef
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wow... now that is what i call a survey.
Methodology : a french tabloid asks 11 french players who is the most disliked player for them.
now that is a credible source....
It's a survey, like it or not. Not a large sample, but what I meant is that Soderling's name is associated here (like very often) to the worse guys on tour.
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no. it's not a survey. if you dont know what a survey is dont display your ignorance publicly in such ways.
i repeat. to be considered a survey it needs to have rigorous methodology. it's my job.. i should know, wouldnt you say?
if you ask 100 brazilians who is the least liked country of the world, mostlikely they will say Argentina. following your method, we must conclude the worst country in the worlds is Agentina? ... doesnt this sound a bit stupid to you. just the least bit?
reversef
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Of course, but you are talking about very serious surveys. We are just talking about not serious sides of a sport named tennis. You take it a little too seriously!
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Of course, but you are talking about very serious surveys. We are just talking about not serious sides of a sport named tennis. You take it a little too seriously!
glad we got it straight.
Lsmkenpo
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Well than you are possibly the only Tennis fan on the forum, who doesn't understand what truly took place on the court, even the biggest *******s here know Nadal did the new balls routine on purpose, did you even watch the video I posted or are you going on memory?, he did an entire routine faking like he was going to serve than did the "new balls" bit, get real, the other poster that said he was just saying new balls was being sarcastic and he is a Nadal fan.
You need to get with it, we don't have pages and pages to waste here, to fill you in on what really took place.
Video evidence what more do you need, a signed confession from Nadal himself?
reversef
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Well than you are possibly the only Tennis fan on the forum, who doesn't understand what truly took place on the court, even the biggest *******s here know Nadal did the new balls routine on purpose, did you even watch the video I posted or are you going on memory?, he did an entire routine faking like he was going to serve than did the "new balls" bit, get real, the other poster that said he was just saying new balls was being sarcastic and he is a Nadal fan.
You need to get with it, we don't have pages and pages to waste here, to fill you in on what really took place.
Of course, I watched the video, but I don't see it was done on purpose, sorry.
Lsmkenpo
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Than you are ignorant, I wont waste anymore time with you.
reversef
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Thank you for the ignorant. But I'm going to answer a last time. If Nadal wants to make fun of Sod there, it's a bad attempt. But he embarrasses himself at the same time. At least, that's how I see it. For me, he was concentrated, so concentrated that he had not even seen that Soderling was not there, the umpire told him, he shakes his head like he's thinking "he leaves suddenly without telling me", starts to prepare to serve again, then remembers he has not signaled it. So, he does and tells it. If he had faced a Roddick in a ironic mood, this one would have played with the crowd about that with the idea of "where is his head?". Soderling took it differently.
Wow, Nadal shaking his head because the other guy makes him wait.....how do you like that?
reversef
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No, not because the other guy made him wait. Because the other guy left suddenly after having been ready to receive. Don't pretend you don't understand the difference.
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No, Nadal's REAL problem is not that Soderling did not make a gesture, it was the fact that Soderling wasn't ready when he was. Nadal has this rude habit of having people follow his rhythm. So if Nadal makes other people wait, it's ok because he has been doing this for a long time.
reversef
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Does he complain when other players make him wait?
Ahhh hello?! Nadal is the one that takes time, Nadal is the one takes time to get to the coin toss, Nadal is the one that gets up later from his chair.............TRANSLATION: It's usually the other player that does the waiting.
And yeah, here's one video of Nadal not liking when other players make him wait:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bwvg...DA08E53A&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=32
reversef
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And against Djoko?
pame
Hall of Fame
Let's be honest here: the number of times Nadal has had to wait on another player you could count on the fingers of half a hand. But what is just downright rude, is making officials and opponents wait interminably at the net for the coin toss while he munches on a bar of whatever. I just wish one day the officials would just proceed with the coin toss without him and send the message loud and clear.
djokovicgonzalez2010
G.O.A.T.
Djokovic- Nadal matches are depression inducing because they spend more time bouncing the ball than anything else...
namelessone
Legend
Yet somehow they manage to produce some memorable matches. Imagine that. I remember some great matches like queens 08',all their clay encounters in 09',hamburg 08'(when nadal defended his nr.2 position),Canada 07',Miami 07',their Olympics showdown and so on. There are some negatives to this rivalry like the fact that they are both time wasters and their HC meetings tend to be blowouts in Djoker's favour but that's about it.
As much time as Nole takes sometimes, he does it with ball bouncing alone, still the whole process takes shorter than the whole Nadal ritual. If Agassi were to play Nadal, while waiting for Nadal to serve, Andre can fly back to Las Vegas, paint his house, mow the lawn fly back to the tournament and Nadal would still be just smelling his fingers after he picks his underwear.
namelessone
Legend
Andre can fly back to Vegas,paint his house,mown the lawn and fly back in 30-40 seconds? Damn,he can be the replacement for Santa.
Well it's more productive than watching Nadal pick underwear and sniff butt sweat ( Victoria secretions) in public.
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pame
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sorry namelessone, I know you aren't a troll, but really, have you ever re-watched some of those matches on video? Then it really hits home how much time wasting went on, and you get so irritated by it, that the quality of the match, unfortunately, takes a back seat. You end up spending most of the time trying to fast forward to the next actual point of play.
reversef
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I love this post because it just shows who you are. Let's stop here. I refuse to reply to this disgusting kind of post.
You just did... :twisted:
djokovicgonzalez2010
G.O.A.T.
reversef
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Just remembered an amusing bit of commentary - think it was the ESPN regular guys... Federer had just served a game in 45 secs and one of the commentators quipped: "That's the time Nadal takes between two serves"
Federer is one of the quickest guys on tour. And I'm sure that it's not easy for his opponents. It puts them under such a pressure, I'm sure they would love to have a few seconds more very often. It's not criticism towards Federer. If it works for him, fine. But just to say that it's really the other extreme. He remembers me of Graf who used to rush without giving her opponents enough time to breathe between two points.
You refuse to reply yet here you are. My post is not disgusting. Nadal's habits and rituals are.
pame
Hall of Fame
Ummm... Federer plays to the 20/25 secs allowed in GS/other matches. He doesn't play faster than the rules allow. So why should someone be allowed to play slower than the rules allow?
reversef
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Nadal-Djokovic on clay are my favourite matches. On HC, it can be pretty bad though. If Djokovic is at his best and Nadal far from it, it gives Bercy.:???:
JeMar
Legend
You're supposed to play at the server's pace, and the only courtesy a server owes the receiver is to look and make sure he's standing in the right spot and is looking at the ball. Federer does wait for his opponents if they generally play at his pace. What Federer does is well within the rules.
Nadal, on the other hand, regularly takes anywhere from 30 to 50 percent more time than he's allotted, according to the rules.
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