Nole fans, Wimbledon final could be Djokovic's last match of the season. How do you feel about it?

[Curtennis]

This logic leads to a LIV Tour for Tennis, maybe in a joint marketing venture with Vince McMahon and the WWE.

Tennis is a creation of the Anglo-Franco world. And so unless you think that the world's most powerful and most democratic nations should simply bow to one man...you should support the decisions they make.

Because the alternative is a PTPA/Liv Tour that plays in Russia, China, North Korea, Azerbaijan, Syria, and Saudi Arabia.

Not really sure they should bow. I think they should just allow sportsmen to compete.

 

[Rosstour]

Not really sure they should bow. I think they should just allow sportsmen to compete.

Novak needed them to bow. They didn't.

He forced the issue and they didn't budge.

He knew what he had to do, and said "F you--I'm doing it my way and you are going to play along"

 

[Curtennis]

Novak needed them to bow. They didn't.

He forced the issue and they didn't budge.

He knew what he had to do, and said "F you--I'm doing it my way and you are going to play along"

How about the WTA player they allowed to enter no problem whatsoever. Aussies clearly had a bone to pick and wanted to prove a point. Novak did nothing of what you’re suggesting.

 

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But vaxxed people spread covid ore as they are gettimg it more than the unvaxxed.

No. Turn off NewsMax

 

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Keep believing those fake statistics…

U watching OAN/Newsmax/FoxNews lol

 

[Botschek]

As a Djoko Fan obviously im not thrilled that it could be finito for the season to say the least. I hope he stops acting like a wannabe Che Guevara.

 

[Curtennis]

U watching OAN/Newsmax/FoxNews lol

No... how about the CDC's published numbers? https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/info-by-product/pfizer/reactogenicity.html

 

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There's nothing smart about just playing poory lol. It's one thing not to go all out and stress your body unnecessarily, and another just play at a low level, getting away with it only because his opponents are playing worse. The myth about Djokovic being able to raise his level at will and get the win was nicely demonstrated to be false in his match vs Nadal at RG. Turns out he doesn't have the stamina to keep up his A game long enough to come back from behind if his opponent is playing well. Novak falling behind and then easily gaining ground so often in recent years, says more about the competition than it does about Djokovic's ability.

Yeah you know tactics better than a 20 slam winner.
Also we mentioned he never brings 5th gear against Rafa. He’s always all-out against Rafa. Rafa is just better sometimes, particularly on clay.

 

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No... how about the CDC's published numbers? https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/info-by-product/pfizer/reactogenicity.html

So among Djoker’s age group:
“The proportions of participants who reported at least 1 serious adverse event were 0.6% in the vaccine group and 0.5% in the placebo group”

0.1% chance of a serious adverse reaction and even among those, medical treatment generally resolved. AND that’s including people waaay older and in worse shape than Djoker. His risk is basically nonexistent.

 

[Curtennis]

There's nothing smart about just playing poory lol. It's one thing not to go all out and stress your body unnecessarily, and another just play at a low level, getting away with it only because his opponents are playing worse. The myth about Djokovic being able to raise his level at will and get the win was nicely demonstrated to be false in his match vs Nadal at RG. Turns out he doesn't have the stamina to keep up his A game long enough to come back from behind if his opponent is playing well. Novak falling behind and then easily gaining ground so often in recent years, says more about the competition than it does about Djokovic's ability.

Am I reading your thoughts correctly... "Novak sucks, but his competitors suck more, therefore Novak really sucks" is that basically everything you said summed up nicely?

 

[Curtennis]

So among Djoker’s age group:
“The proportions of participants who reported at least 1 serious adverse event were 0.6% in the vaccine group and 0.5% in the placebo group”

0.1% chance of a serious adverse reaction and even among those, medical treatment generally resolved.

I'm more willing to accept that number than you just spewing out made up numbers of .002%

 

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I'm more willing to accept that number than you just spewing out made up numbers of .002%

Fair enough, I didn’t pull it out my ass, I got it from some other medical article but I’ll concede CDC should be the gold standard.

 

[The Fedfather]

Yeah you know tactics better than a 20 slam winner.
Also we mentioned he never brings 5th gear against Rafa. He’s always all-out against Rafa. Rafa is just better sometimes, particularly on clay.

Becauae that's what I implied, right? Or maybe it doesn't take a 20 Slam winner to figure out that playing with a lot UEs, lackluster serving and whatnot is not a smart tactic for winning a match? I mean, you really cited an example of Djokovic hitting 100 UEs and winning the match n a post dedicated to Djokovic's his tactical prowess. Couldn't be me.

I already commented on why he never brings his random-number-gear against anyone other than Rafa in recent years, consistently doesn't bring anything special for a lot of his matches yet manages to pile up victories anyway.

 

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Becauae that's what I implied, right? Or maybe it doesn't take a 20 Slam winner to figure out that playing with a lot UEs, lackluster serving and whatnot is not a smart tactic for winning a match? I mean, you really cited an example of Djokovic hitting 100 UEs and winning the match n a post dedicated to Djokovic's his tactical prowess. Couldn't be me.

I already commented on why he never brings his random-number-gear against anyone other than Rafa in recent years, consistently doesn't bring anything special for a lot of his matches yet manages to pile up victories anyway.

I’m so lost. You’re agreeing with me now?

Djokovic plays controlled, high margin offense against everyone not named Nadal. He balls out against Nadal.

 

[The Fedfather]

Am I reading your thoughts correctly... "Novak sucks, but his competitors suck more, therefore Novak really sucks" is that basically everything you said summed up nicely?

If that's what you inferred from my post(s), I can tell that we won't have a fruitful discussion. I don't think Djokovic sucks. I do think he plays below par, gets in trouble because of it and then has to dig himself from a hole far too often to conclude that it's all part of his plan.

 

[Cabeza del Demonio]

I totally agree. It’s all about holding on to power/control. It’s pathetic

Yeah, I remember when you guys were very correctly predicting that governments would never relinquish their control of their power even after the crisis was over.

Y'know, the way all distancing and mask rules, testing and isolation mandates, and travel restrictions were dropped across the west before the BA.2 wave was even over.

(That is, if you believe that BA.2 was even real and not a media psy op.)

 

[The Fedfather]

I’m so lost. You’re agreeing with me now?

Djokovic plays controlled, high margin offense against everyone not named Nadal. He balls out against Nadal.

I am disagreeing with you about Djokovic's level being low in matches because it's his tactical approach not to play well.

 

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I am disagreeing with you about Djokovic's level being low in matches because it's his tactical approach not to play well.

I never said anything like that. I’ve seen almost every one of his slam matches the last 10 years. I know how he plays as well as anyone.

 

[Curtennis]

If that's what you inferred from my post(s), I can tell that we won't have a fruitful discussion. I don't think Djokovic sucks. I do think he plays below par, gets in trouble because of it and then has to dig himself from a hole far too often to conclude that it's all part of his plan.

He absolutely appears to play subpar at times, yet he wins a lot more than he loses. Even from a hole. It’s almost like he knows what he’s doing and is capable of.
That’s part of the reason he’s my favorite. He doesn’t just dominate with skill and athleticism. His warrior spirit keeps him in every match he’s a part of.

 

[The Fedfather]

I never said anything like that. I’ve seen almost every one of his slam matches the last 10 years. I know how he plays as well as anyone.

You said that he has 5-6 gears and basically chooses to bring the gears when he plays well only when needed. The rest of the time he doesn't play well because he doesn't need to as he still can win matches. Well, I'm disagreeing that him not playing well is a smart tactic he uses. His form is just inconsistent but most players on the current tour can't take advantage.

 

[The Fedfather]

He absolutely appears to play subpar at times, yet he wins a lot more than he loses. Even from a hole. It’s almost like he knows what he’s doing and is capable of.
That’s part of the reason he’s my favorite. He doesn’t just dominate with skill and athleticism. His warrior spirit keeps him in every match he’s a part of.

I wonder why that could be lol

 

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You said that he has 5-6 gears and basically chooses to bring the gears when he plays well only when needed. The rest of the time he doesn't play well because he doesn't need to as he still can win matches. Well, I'm disagreeing that him not playing well is a smart tactic he uses. His form is just inconsistent but most players on the current tour can't take advantage.

You’re misunderstanding me completely. He is the most accurate groundstroker ever when you account for depth. His DEFAULT game allows him to offensively dictate points with little risk, using forcing his opponent into worse and worse spots until they go for too much or Novak has an easy finish. That same game doesn’t work against Rafa and he plays much aggressively and much more risky.

 

[The Fedfather]

You’re misunderstanding me completely. He is the most accurate groundstroker ever when you account for depth. His DEFAULT game allows him to dictate points with little risk, forcing his opponent into worse and worse spots until they go for too much or Novak has an easy finish. That same game doesn’t work against Rafa and he plays much aggressively and much more risky.

"This is such a good point about Djokovic that I feel like sooooo many people don’t understand.

He does not break out of 4th or 5th gear unless he NEEDS to. Why should he play in 6th gear and risk UFEs derailing him when his 4th/5th gear beats 99% of the field. His 6th gear is essentially limited to Rafa Nadal."

I get that you think Djokovic's default game is so amazing that he doesn't even need to try against 99% of the field. I am saying that his default game nowadays makes him lose sets left right and center. And not just against Rafa. So that's where we disagree. You think Djokovic almost always plays well enough because he's that good, I think he plays poorly too often and is saved by the relative incompetence of his opposition. It's not a coincidence that Djokovic with his killer default game has so few straight set victories nowadays.

 

[Niekotokio]

Bad play, I think, is related to long-term shoulder problems. it is because of this that he starts the serve with a bad percentage and slower, the shot is initially short and weak. but after an hour of play, little by little return to his norms.

 

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"This is such a good point about Djokovic that I feel like sooooo many people don’t understand.

He does not break out of 4th or 5th gear unless he NEEDS to. Why should he play in 6th gear and risk UFEs derailing him when his 4th/5th gear beats 99% of the field. His 6th gear is essentially limited to Rafa Nadal."

I get that you think Djokovic's default game is so amazing that he doesn't even need to try against 99% of the field. I am saying that his default game nowadays makes him lose sets left right and center. And not just against Rafa. So that's where we disagree. You think Djokovic almost always plays well enough because he's that good, I think he plays poorly too often and is saved by the relative incompetence of his opposition. It's not a coincidence that Djokovic with his killer default game has so few straight set victories nowadays.

Wasting time. I dunno how you’re the only one confused by what was said

 

[The Fedfather]

Wasting time. I dunno how you’re the only one confused by what was said

I don't know why you keep trying to gaslight me. Lol I understood what you said perfectly. Waste of time indeed.

 

[PUSB]

I’m not overrating Djokovic I’m just saying it’s strange how you keep bigging up Rafa and knocking down Novak. Is this your reverse pyschology? Nearly most people think Djokovic is more likely to outlast rafa on tour. That is why Rafa needs a big enough lead in slam race to finish with most. If Djoko is only just 1 behind he will fancy it

I‘m pointing out that Novak has looked after his body well and has got less wear and tear than Rafa. A newborn can affect both parents. Yes his wife will do the heavy lifting but it’s still a big adjustment to rafa’s life and something he hasn’t had to adapt to like Djokovic and Federer did in past. It certainly will affect his focus and concentration at times.

Novak when asked that is being grounded. He’s said the same before. He’s getting older like Rafa so of course he knows the window is closing but he said he plans to play a few more years. Provided he can stay fit and the countries let him in then he will compete for more. These next gen players are still not stepping up and Rafa winning 2 majors will encourage Novak to keep going. First to pull clear of Fed and then try catch or overtake Rafa. Still game on the race is all I‘m saying and you will be a fool if you think Novak isn’t going to fight for it.

I agree he’s declined but not enough for him not to compete for slams with his tennis level, tennis IQ, fitness and mental strength. Unless a next gen becomes the new ATG and kick Nadal and Djokovic out the picture they will remain in contention

Im not intending to criticise Djokovic. I like him. Im gutted we wont have Nadal v Djokovic tomorrow. A glorious hot sunny day on centre court with those two going at it would have been bliss.
Im just a pessimist. For differing reasons i think both Rafa and Novak are not certain to win majors next year. Time waits for nobody. I want Novak to be allowed into America. I want Rafa to win the Slam race. I want Rafa Novak and Roger to go on forever but i know it wont happen.
Tennis is heading into dark days after the Big 3. Ive put all my hopes on alcaraz. Didnt like what ive seen past 6 weeks.
So forgive me if i came across as havijg a go at Novak. Not at all. All i was saying was on current form im a bit sceptical as he hasnt played that well for a while. He may smash Kyrgios tomorrow with the grass court performance of all time. If he does ill change my view.
If Kyrgios wins and holds that trophy with all his tattoes i think ill have a nervous breakdown!!!

 

[PUSB]

No. Turn off NewsMax

Turn off CNN

 

[I Am Finnish]

Maybe Egg should change his pasport ha

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

Im not intending to criticise Djokovic. I like him. Im gutted we wont have Nadal v Djokovic tomorrow. A glorious hot sunny day on centre court with those two going at it would have been bliss.
Im just a pessimist. For differing reasons i think both Rafa and Novak are not certain to win majors next year. Time waits for nobody. I want Novak to be allowed into America. I want Rafa to win the Slam race. I want Rafa Novak and Roger to go on forever but i know it wont happen.
Tennis is heading into dark days after the Big 3. Ive put all my hopes on alcaraz. Didnt like what ive seen past 6 weeks.
So forgive me if i came across as havijg a go at Novak. Not at all. All i was saying was on current form im a bit sceptical as he hasnt played that well for a while. He may smash Kyrgios tomorrow with the grass court performance of all time. If he does ill change my view.
If Kyrgios wins and holds that trophy with all his tattoes i think ill have a nervous breakdown!!!

Fair enough. That’s a really nice post. Yeah I feel the same. I’m worried about tennis after the big 3 for sure. They have been a special 3 and will never be replaced.

 

[PUSB]

Fair enough. That’s a really nice post. Yeah I feel the same. I’m worried about tennis after the big 3 for sure. They have been a special 3 and will never be replaced.

Its going to be dire. Nobody has the charisma of the Big 3. Federer is sorely missed. Hit me at the centenary celebrations.
Hope Novak wins tomorrow. Genuinely do

 

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I don't know why you keep trying to gaslight me. Lol I understood what you said perfectly. Waste of time indeed.

Please lol