tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
McEnroe has as much credibility as the clown that comes on Sesame street.
It doesnt matter what individuals say.
Tennis Channel recognizes Fed as the greatest for a reason.
Novak Djokovic's Chances at Surpassing Nadal?
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McEnroe has as much credibility as the clown that comes on Sesame street.
It doesnt matter what individuals say.
Tennis Channel recognizes Fed as the greatest for a reason.
BringBackSV
Hall of Fame
If you want to talk about current tennis, who plays on grass these days? It's COMPLETELY OBSCURE and rests on the laurels of the past more than the merit of the present.
BringBackSV
Hall of Fame
Now I know you are joking.
Backspin1183
Talk Tennis Guru
Tired and done with this thread. Good luck to Nole fans and some Fed is GOAT fans. The thread is epic 
tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
It does not matter that Nadal is really dominant. Bottomline, none of the players are good enough to pose a competition.
On the contrary, the very same players excel and kill each other on hard court.
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
Tired and done with this thread. Good luck to Nole fans and some Fed is GOAT fans. The thread is epic
#14 slams #TeamRafa #HatersGonnaHate #ThisThreadHasn'tChangedAdamnThing :lol:
Translation: Nadal is TOO GOOD on clay for me to acknowledge it.
tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
Obscure why ? Because of traditions ?
Wimbledon will always be the pinnacle of the sport.
I think that's a fallacy. I think Carlos Moya (French Open winner 1998) is far more remembered than Petr Korda (Australian Open winner 1998). Does anyone even recall Thomas Johansson winning the Australian.
Most of the French Champs from the 90's should be well known to any Tennis fan. Jim Courier, Yevgeny Kafelnikov, Andre Agassi, Thomas Muster, Sergi Brugera, Gustavo Kuerten, Carlos Moya.
Michael Chang became a superstar simply by winning the French. Americans sure seemed to rate the "dirt slam" when Chang won it.
tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
Nadal is too good on a non competitive surface.
Novak is too good on a competitive surface.
tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
Most of the players you have mentioned are multiple slam winners.
Albert Costa, Gaudio, Gomez are not household names.
BringBackSV
Hall of Fame
Because nobody plays/practices on grass anymore. I'd like to see an actual grass court season but it's not happening and as a result, it's become an obscure surface. I'm not saying it doesn't have significance but what I am saying is as a surface it's falling way out of relevance. You note the position of HC today but then surely you must realize that clay is the number 2 surface. The fact that nobody actually plays on grass anymore has weakened the quality of grass court tennis.
Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
THIS!! Couldn't have put it any better.
winstonplum
Hall of Fame
Tipsa absolutely GOATing with that picture of Baggy. I laugh while reading this site about once a year--I just got my yearly laugh.
Mustard GOATing as usual. Why the youngins even spar with him is beyond me.
Sure Nole could, possibly surpass Nadal, but he would have to go on a Fed 04-07 like tear. I don't seen it happening.
Mustard GOATing as usual. Why the youngins even spar with him is beyond me.
Sure Nole could, possibly surpass Nadal, but he would have to go on a Fed 04-07 like tear. I don't seen it happening.
BringBackSV
Hall of Fame
Credit to Nadal for making it non competitive.
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
winstonplum
Hall of Fame
After reading this, the gist of some of these Nole fans' argument is a monumental feat of logic and reasoning. To wit: if Nadal had lost more on clay, then he would have made it more competitive and thus his fewer amounts of wins would have been more impressive because the events were so competitive.
Wow. Just wow.
Wow. Just wow.
tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
Neither are Johansson or Korda. Your only point seems to be that you can find relatively obscure winners of both hardcourt and clay majors. On the womens side, I bet you most people didn't even realise Petra Kvitova had already won Wimbledon before she got into the final and claimed her second.
Muster, Moya and Chang are 1 time slam winners. That slam was only ever the French. Yet all highly respected within the game and still well remembered today. The French has delivered a lot of hugely respected champions who've never won a slam on another surface.
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MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
What I got from this thread is that Djokovic having 4 AO's and Federer having 7 Wimbledons and 5 USO's are totally fine, because they didn't happen at the French Open :shock:
eldanger25
Hall of Fame
Yeah, this is pretty much the bottom line for me as well.
Federer20042006
Banned
That was true in Sampras's era as well. Hmmm.
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
Honestly, there's never been many "grass specialists" or necessarily tough competition... Wimbledon is big because of it's significance, tradition, etc. It is a very hard slam to win because it's harder to impose your game on grass and it's a hell of a lot easier to be upset. To me, that's the mark of why Wimbledon is great. You aren't going to be given a Wimbledon title on a platter. The FO is hard to win for obvious reasons (not Nadal... but the physical toll of it).... with the AO and USO, it's pretty much comes down to just who's in the best form.
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Deleted member 77403
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I hope Djokovic just focuses on his own legacy rather than chasing someone else's. Whether it is Federer or Nadal. Just go out there and do the best you can to win slams, and the results will take care of themselves.
Fiji
Legend
too late for that.
The most a male player won in the open era after turning 27 is 5 slams
Slams won after turning 27
Laver 5
Agassi 5
Federer 5
Rosewall 4
Newcombe 4
Lendl 4
Connors 3
Sampras 3
Nadal 3
Best case scenario for Djokovic would be to have the longevity of Laver, Agassi and Federer to win 5 slams after turning 27. Since he had 6 slams on the day he turned 27, that would mean 11 slams tops. For him to surpass Nadal he would need 15 slams. Not happening.
The most a male player won in the open era after turning 27 is 5 slams
Slams won after turning 27
Laver 5
Agassi 5
Federer 5
Rosewall 4
Newcombe 4
Lendl 4
Connors 3
Sampras 3
Nadal 3
Best case scenario for Djokovic would be to have the longevity of Laver, Agassi and Federer to win 5 slams after turning 27. Since he had 6 slams on the day he turned 27, that would mean 11 slams tops. For him to surpass Nadal he would need 15 slams. Not happening.
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tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
Fiji
Legend
not too good since he's about to get married and have a child.
He has said that tennis would not be his top priority afterward.
That is, unless Nadal decides to get married and have a child too
Can Feliciano get pregnant?
This is very telling. It shows how difficult tennis is for "old men" past their mid 20s. Tennis players peak 24-27.
Fiji
Legend
Exactly. Add the fact that Nole is becoming a father soon and that complicates it even more for him. Federer has only won 2 slams as a father. And that is the record since the mid 80s!
Roger Federer is the only father that won multiple slams since the mid 80s.
Says it all.
Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
Fiji
Legend
This isn't the mid 80s anymore baby!
The only player to win multiple slams as a father in the past 30 years was Federer. Looks like tennis fathers win very few slams, if any.
Fiji
Legend
Slams won by fathers since 1990
Andres Gomez: French Open 1990
Boris Becker: Australian Open 1996
Petr Korda: Australian Open 1998
Yevgeny Kafelnikov: Australian Open 1999
Albert Costa: French Open 2002
Andre Agassi: Australian Open 2003
Roger Federer: Australian Open 2010 and Wimbledon 2012
Stanislas Wawrinka: Australian Open 2014
Federer has won the most slams as a father since 1990, two slams.
It's interesting that Federer is the only one who won a slam as a father at Wimbledon since 1990. Nobody won the USO as a father since 1990.
Andres Gomez: French Open 1990
Boris Becker: Australian Open 1996
Petr Korda: Australian Open 1998
Yevgeny Kafelnikov: Australian Open 1999
Albert Costa: French Open 2002
Andre Agassi: Australian Open 2003
Roger Federer: Australian Open 2010 and Wimbledon 2012
Stanislas Wawrinka: Australian Open 2014
Federer has won the most slams as a father since 1990, two slams.
It's interesting that Federer is the only one who won a slam as a father at Wimbledon since 1990. Nobody won the USO as a father since 1990.
Fiji
Legend
Am I the only one who thinks Chico is actually another of Bullllllllzilllllllla's accounts? All his posts are nothing but trolling.
Either he is Bullllllllzilllllllla or a new account for mariecon. He is just trolling all the time.
Definitely he is not djokovic4thewin or whatever was his name.
This Chico sounds spastic all the time. Has to be Bullllllllzilllllllla or a new account for mariecon. Bullllllllzilllllllla trolls to sound spastic. mariecon was naturally spastic.
Either he is Bullllllllzilllllllla or a new account for mariecon. He is just trolling all the time.
Definitely he is not djokovic4thewin or whatever was his name.
This Chico sounds spastic all the time. Has to be Bullllllllzilllllllla or a new account for mariecon. Bullllllllzilllllllla trolls to sound spastic. mariecon was naturally spastic.
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LazyNinja19
Banned
^Dont know about that. But he needs to be perma banned. His incredibly ridiculous posts are the most subjective views I've ever read towards any sportsman/celebrity.
Regarding OP, answer is NIL.
Regarding OP, answer is NIL.
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Deleted member 77403
Guest
The mighty Zilla was one of the N.$.K accounts, who was an over the top Nadal fan. Chico is anything but a Nadal fan.
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
That ol' heave-ho he got should have been permanent.
LazyNinja19
Banned
I have inside information, that the Jan ban he got was permanent indeed.
Apparently, he begged the mods that he would not repeat his mischiefs and be a good boy, and so they let him back in.
I can't believe how much longer his cr@p would be allowed on this forum! :evil:
Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
And yet you were being quite cordial with each other on Sunday. I want you and Chico to be friends!
LazyNinja19
Banned
And yet you were being quite cordial with each other on Sunday. I want you and Chico to be friends!
Yes, because i have tried to be nice & cordial with him quite a few times. But then he goes on a rampage, diminishing Nadal in just about every thread.
Seriously, i've had enough of him. I just want him gone. I know, i'm wishing and hoping it would happen. This forum would be much much better.
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
This. When he's at least halfway classy, fine. He was ok for a few weeks. But since Wimbledon he's even worse than last year.
Omega_7000
Legend
Well, you are another one?
I mean, I have this feeling that Novak can hold all 4 GSs after 2015 RG.
For some reason I have no feel for the rest of his career, weird or what?
If he goes into Novak 2011 mode, than he could have great few years with Murray maybe never coming back to top form, Nadal declining, Roger old and most new players not that great (Dimi apart).
I put him on 11-12 on the basis that his 2011 mode did not last and he is too old to wait for another 2011 mode to occur in his 30's.
So with winning next 3-4 GS in his 2.0 mode and one a year in 2016, 2017, he might end up with 12-13.
I would be amazed if he caught Nadal, although I think Nadal is done with GS, unless Novak gets injured.
Fiji
Legend
Chico has to be Mariecon. Both spanish words.....
Comes across as spastic.
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/member.php?u=405998
Comes across as spastic.
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/member.php?u=405998
torpantennis
Legend
Djokovic will surpass Nadal, in H2H and with better distribution of slams, 11-12 in total. He'll be regarded the #1 player of his era, as Sampras/Federer were. Nadal will be regarded the undisputed clayGOAT.
tipsa...don'tlikehim!
Talk Tennis Guru
what's going on in here ?
Noleberic123
G.O.A.T.
that's your opinion. But for me and most people, slams is the greatness measuring stick.
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