Novak Djokovic's most underrated advantage over Fedal (Federer & Nadal) = flexibility & elasticity

This particular attribute gets overlooked in his rivalry against Fedal, more so against Nadal than Federer, because Federer is very loose and nimble, like a ballerina which aids his longevity due to such an ability causing less damage on the body overtime than if one was less nimble and less loose.

However, Djokovic on the other hand, is not only loose, but is arguably the most flexible player ever with the ability to stretch for balls and the ability to get those balls back in play that no other player in history could, resulting in either direct winners or neutralizing the opponent's attack totally. Even if he is not the most elastic player ever, what can't be disputed is his application. The application of his flexibility to tennis in order to retrieve balls from awkward positions and to dominate rallies is the greatest we've ever seen. This not only means Djokovic is the least likely to have injuries or is likely to have fewer injuries than Fedal, especially as he grows older, it also gives him a weapon that the other two lack, especially against him, which allows Djokovic to dominate them in a way they can't to him and they can't deal with. As a result, don't at all be surprised if Djokovic is still winning more grand-slams than even Roger Federer in his late 30's or even in his 40's. A flexible body is going to breakdown less and suffer fewer injuries or least less damaging injuries than a stiffer body.

Now compare that to Rafael Nadal, who is literally stiff as a rod. He needs to move his entire body in an aggressive fashion to get to balls which Djokovic and Federer could either stretch to, or can get to with ease and less effort by being more nimble. This means greater longevity for both Djokovic and Federer at an older age than Nadal and this also means Djokovic can get to balls by stretching that Nadal can only dream of getting to. Nadal's aggressive, higher impactful movement style is both a strength and a weakness. It allows him to totally dominate opponents short-term but it also means he can never sustain his dominant level for as long as Djokovic or Federer can and have. This is why Federer and Djokovic have longer periods of dominance over the tour compared to Rafael Nadal's more sporadic dominance. This is also probably the reason why an old Nadal has a negative H2H over an old Federer.

This video highlights what Nadal could only dream of doing and what is arguably Djokovic's most underrated advantage over Rafael Nadal in their rivalry:

 

maratha_warrior

Hall of Fame
Great post .

This is the reason Federer completely dominated Nadal on hardcourts after 2014 . He has won 6-7 matches in a row .

My mind begs a question ,what if Fedal met at US opens during 2016- 2020 . Who would win ?? Any guesses .
 

maratha_warrior

Hall of Fame
Fans quickly understood that fed will win ton of slams with best serve and forehand .
But they kind of ignored the fact that Djoker can also win ton of slam with the best return and backhand . And that has what has happened .

People act kind of shocked but this was always on the cards .
Djokers flexibility ,return game and backhand keeps him competitive in the biggest matches .
 
Great post .

This is the reason Federer completely dominated Nadal on hardcourts after 2014 . He has won 6-7 matches in a row .

My mind begs a question ,what if Fedal met at US opens during 2016- 2020 . Who would win ?? Any guesses .
2017 Federer with that mental edge beat Nadal at 2017 USO 9 out of 10 times. 2019 USO would be closer but still think Fed from the Evans and Goffin matches beat 2019 Nadal pretty comfortably as well. Injuries or not those two tournaments were two missed opportunities by the Swiss maestro and OTOH two lucky breaks for the Spanish clay court matador. ;)
 

maratha_warrior

Hall of Fame
2017 Federer with that mental edge beat Nadal at 2017 USO 9 out of 10 times. 2019 USO would be closer but still think Fed from the Evans and Goffin matches beat 2019 Nadal pretty comfortably as well. Injuries or not those were two missed opportunities by the Swiss maestro and OTOH two lucky breaks for the Spanish clay court matador. ;)

Considering how close Fed was to beating Novak in USO F 2015 , I think Fed lost the slam race because of being unable to reach business end of US Opens " 2016 to 2020 " . Five years .

Djoker has been fully fit in only one US open (2018 ) . So I feel Fed would have beaten 2016 Djoker + would have great chances in 2017 ,19 and 20 .
He would have won atleast two US Opens .
I don't think he gets beaten by that version of Stan Wawrinka ( 2016 ) .
 
Considering how close Fed was to beating Novak in USO F 2015 , I think Fed lost the slam race because of being unable to reach business end of US Opens " 2016 to 2020 " . Five years .

Djoker has been fully fit in only one US open (2018 ) . So I feel Fed would have beaten 2016 Djoker + would have great chances in 2017 ,19 and 20 .
He would have won atleast two US Opens .
I don't think he gets beaten by that version of Stan Wawrinka ( 2016 ) .
In retrospect 2017 USO has to be the biggest missed opportunity for the Swiss maestro in the last decade. He was dominating the field up to that point of the season in utter fashion, he was making a pigeon out of his biggest nemesis that year and the eventual 2017 USO winner, 7-8 players of the TOP 20 not participating including Djokovic, Murray, Wawrinka etc. Umm, yeah, Fed messed up quite badly in that tournament, that's for sure. ;)
 

maratha_warrior

Hall of Fame
In retrospect 2017 USO has to be the biggest missed opportunity for the Swiss maestro in the last decade. He was dominating the field up to that point of the season in utter fashion, he was making a pigeon out of his biggest nemesis that year and the eventual 2017 USO winner, 7-8 players of the TOP 20 not participating including Djokovic, Murray, Wawrinka etc. Umm, yeah, Fed messed up quite badly in that tournament, that's for sure. ;)

Most fed fans focus on Wimbledon finals for his lack of more slam titles ,but it is clear US Open which kept fed behind .

Another missed opportunity was US Open 2014 .After knowing djoker was out , he should have somehow changed tactics to stop cilic .
Add that to at 2 US Opens he would win during 2016-2020 if fully fit . Easily would have reached 22-23 slams .
 
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BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
After knowing dhoker was out , Fed should have somehow changed tactics to stop cilic .
Watch that match again. No version of Fed, even 2004-06 Roger beats Cilic on that day, he was unplayable. Cilic continued with that imperious form in the final. He’s never again played anywhere near that zoning level.
 

CYGS

Legend
Watch that match again. No version of Fed, even 2004-06 Roger beats Cilic on that day, he was unplayable. Cilic continued with that imperious form in the final. He’s never again played anywhere near that zoning level.
The opponents always peak against Federer in finals - makes you wonder why. *eyerolls*
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
Watch that match again. No version of Fed, even 2004-06 Roger beats Cilic on that day, he was unplayable. Cilic continued with that imperious form in the final. He’s never again played anywhere near that zoning level.
I call BS on that. Massive overrating of Cilic. He just got luckier than guys like Gonzo, Tsonga and Soderling to win a slam.

LOL at 2004-2006 Fed not beating that Cilic.
 
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maratha_warrior

Hall of Fame
Watch that match again. No version of Fed, even 2004-06 Roger beats Cilic on that day, he was unplayable. Cilic continued with that imperious form in the final. He’s never again played anywhere near that zoning level.

This is " breaking news " to me that 2004-06 fed can't beat cilic ( 2014 version ) . I haven't met any other fed fan who said this before .
If this is your personal opinion ,then ok .

But 2004-6 USO were fast courts and 14 was kinda slowest . So I don't know how to compare between the two .
But I don't think peak fed loses to cilic .
Didn't even Novak needed 5 sets to beat Fed in 4th and 5th tries ?

What I want to say is Fedovic have lost tons of opportunities at USO and other slams . They kind of lost focus at very wrong times in career and hence kinda underperformed especially at USO forsure . Whereas Nadal swiftly pounces at opportunies like King Cobra . When all is said and done ,some people might say Fedovic underachieved but can't say that about Nadal .
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
This is " breaking news " to me that 2004-06 fed can't beat cilic ( 2014 version ) . I haven't met any other fed fan who said this before .
If this is your personal opinion ,then ok .

But 2004-6 USO were fast courts and 14 was kinda slowest . So I don't know how to compare between the two .
But I don't think peak fed loses to cilic .
Didn't even Novak needed 5 sets to beat Fed in 4th and 5th tries ?

What I want to say is Fedovic have lost tons of opportunities at USO and other slams . They kind of lost focus at very wrong times in career and hence kinda underperformed especially at USO forsure . Whereas Nadal swiftly pounces at opportunies like King Cobra . When all is said and done ,some people might say Fedovic underachieved but can't say that about Nadal .
I still think Djokovic messed up more in 2014 than Fed.
 

maratha_warrior

Hall of Fame
I still think Djokovic messed up more in 2014 than Fed.

Like always ( at USO ) :cautious:.

But , he didn't deserve to win USO that year in my opinion .
After , Wimbledon win he got married to Jelena and then kind of relaxed and had holidays ( well deserved ) .

He didn't put in hard work before that slam .
He lost easily in earlier rounds at masters and had very difficult time beating Murray in quarters at USO .
Nishi played two gruelling 5-setters before meeting Novak and it looked like novak was dying on court while nishi looked fitter than Novak and ended up thrashing nole in final set in 4 sets .
 

mental midget

Hall of Fame
Watch that match again. No version of Fed, even 2004-06 Roger beats Cilic on that day, he was unplayable. Cilic continued with that imperious form in the final. He’s never again played anywhere near that zoning level.

maybe a bit of an overstatement but 'near unplayable' for sure, he was absolutely on fire. i'd give that period of roger's game a good shot against anybody.
 

Crazy Finn

Hall of Fame
Djokovic's flexibility is certainly something that has gotten him out of spots and won him points that other's wouldn't. However, considering how much the media focuses on it and the highlight reel plays that result, I don't think it's underrated. I also think that, while it does contribute to his success, I don't think it's of paramount importance. Thus, one could actually say it's a bit overrated.

Novak's utter consistency, his ability to hit the same shot, over and over and over again, to hit that backhand down the line and make fewer errors than other players doing that, to get more returns back, even if they're not Agassi-like winners is what tends to get him over the hump in a match and to victory, and over the course of a tournament, to the final. His serve has gotten that way too. Obviously, it was at a higher level this tournament, but otherwise, it basically never lets him down, and is pretty effective at getting free points or at least setting up points. It's hard to quantify "mental toughness" - it's pretty clear that however it is quantified, Novak seems to have that. It's a lot easier to be mentally tough if you just know that your shots will almost always get over the net and in play, and more or less where you need them to go at any time, all the time. Any player is better when playing with confidence.

We saw this in the AO. Even in the Fritz match, even an ailing, poor hitting hitting Novak still made Fritz work for the 3rd and 4th sets, and once he felt a bit better in the 5th, he just beat down Fritz with all of those consistent tools. In the Zverev match, he had a little hickup in the 3rd set, and though Zverev couldn't take advantage, it didn't take Novak long to right the ship and go back to putting constant pressure him - which I'm sure contributed to Zverev's problems (at least in part).

I'm sure that his flexibility does help his overall fitness. It's a bit of a reach to assume that it's going to guarantee fewer injuries in the future. I don't doubt that he'll likely age better than most previous players due to his regime and fitness, but he's not even 34 yet, so we'll have to see how it's gone once he's Federer's age.
 

socallefty

G.O.A.T.
I think his flexibility and balance allows him to convert defense into offense in a splitsecond while playing close to the baseline and robbing opponents of time. It also allows him to hit deep returns while at a full stretch. But, I wouldn‘t call it under-rated as his opponents, fans and the media have always talked about it a differentiator for him against his opponents throughout his career.

In fact, I heard from an ATP coach of lower-ranked players that Novak’s training methods have had the biggest influence in the last decade in terms of being copied by other players on tour. They are all trying to figure out how to be like him in terms of flexibility and balance.
 
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