helterskelter
G.O.A.T.
Yup. Incidentally, if he were to lose it the day after the US Open, his run would end one week shy of tying Connors for #4 for most weeks at #1, and three weeks shy of tying Lendl for #3. It's unlikely. But it could happen.
Novak's race to Federer's amazing 310 weeks started with Wimbledon 2019... Will he get this one at this time next year?
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Yup. Incidentally, if he were to lose it the day after the US Open, his run would end one week shy of tying Connors for #4 for most weeks at #1, and three weeks shy of tying Lendl for #3. It's unlikely. But it could happen.
jm1980
Talk Tennis Guru
Djokovic is defending a whole lot of points starting now until the end of the season... USO (2000), WTF RU (1000), 2x M1000 (2x 1000) just off the top of my head
xFedal
Legend
Murray basically vulture on atp500 tournaments as Djoker din't play them.... one could argue a slam should be 3000 points x6 as much as atp500.... not x4 2000 points. took about 40 weeks.
RaulRamirez
Legend
I'm a Djokovic fan, but don't take that approach. The point system is very transparent to all, and Murray did what he had to do to attain #1, including winning his WTF showdown with Novak.
xFedal
Legend
Do you agree with the opinion that 4 atp 500 tournaments should equal a slam which atp 2000 points? or should it be 3000 points for a slam?
RaulRamirez
Legend
I'm not sure, and that's a separate issue, but let's play this out (or perhaps, start a new thread on it). Without doing each plateau, what would be your winner and runner-up points for: Slams, WTF, 1000s, 500s and 250s? Would you keep everything else the same, but go 3,000/1,500 or 1,800 (?) for slams?
One has to be careful to not put such a premium on majors, as that may serve to deemphasize all but those 8 weeks. I think it works pretty well now, although I would (though unpopular here) slightly reduce points for the WTF.
xFedal
Legend
Everything same, apart from slams.... slams should be 2500 to 3000 points....... 2 masters 1000 should not be the same as 1 slam....
Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil
Talk Tennis Guru
I wonder how will Nadal do after the US Open. Obviously one wouldn't favor him to sweep that part of the season but he will gain something compared to zero from last year.
Djokovic should give his all to defend one of the hard court Majors, and do well in places where he can add a decent amount of points: Canada, Tokyo, Indian Wells, Miami, Monte Carlo; so he would have less pressure elsewhere. I think if he has a stable lead after Melbourne, the record will be his.
And I like how a lot of times his significant ranking moments happened at Wimbledon.
When he reached his first final and won his first title there in 2011, he became number 1 for the first time too.
He lost the top spot to Federer after losing to him there next year.
Then he got it back from Nadal when he won his second Wimbledon in 2014 and started his most dominant streak.
In 2016, the early loss began his sudden collapse.
But in 2018, a memorable fourth title started his return.
And in 2020, he can break the weeks at #1 record on the same week when, if he is good and lucky enough, he could win it for the sixth time.
Djokovic should give his all to defend one of the hard court Majors, and do well in places where he can add a decent amount of points: Canada, Tokyo, Indian Wells, Miami, Monte Carlo; so he would have less pressure elsewhere. I think if he has a stable lead after Melbourne, the record will be his.
And I like how a lot of times his significant ranking moments happened at Wimbledon.
When he reached his first final and won his first title there in 2011, he became number 1 for the first time too.
He lost the top spot to Federer after losing to him there next year.
Then he got it back from Nadal when he won his second Wimbledon in 2014 and started his most dominant streak.
In 2016, the early loss began his sudden collapse.
But in 2018, a memorable fourth title started his return.
And in 2020, he can break the weeks at #1 record on the same week when, if he is good and lucky enough, he could win it for the sixth time.
uscwang
Hall of Fame
Wimbledon is indeed special in Novak's career.
Besides ranking, he started his NCYGS by winning 2015 WB.
So far, every time he won WB, he won the next AO. And he won the next USO 3 times out of 4. In fact, in the 12 months periods following his previous 4 WB wins, out of 12 GS, he won 8, plus 2 F and 2 SF.
beard
Legend
First post updated:
After second big tournament Novak is still in lead (he couldn't lose this place anyway because Fed didn't play).
The Biggest difference is that Rafa is now in front of Federer. Will Rafa be the one to defend Feds record?
Cincinnati already started, list will be updated next week...
New table of Novaks race to immortality:
Novak Djokovic 2000
Rafael Nadal 1720
Roger Federer 1200
Daniil Medvedev 690
Kei Nishikori 370
Dominic Thiem 190
Alexander Zverev 190
Félix Auger-Aliassime 180
Stefanos Tsitsipas 20
Tournaments:Wimbledon, Canada, Cincinnati, USO...
After second big tournament Novak is still in lead (he couldn't lose this place anyway because Fed didn't play).
The Biggest difference is that Rafa is now in front of Federer. Will Rafa be the one to defend Feds record?
Cincinnati already started, list will be updated next week...
New table of Novaks race to immortality:
Novak Djokovic 2000
Rafael Nadal 1720
Roger Federer 1200
Daniil Medvedev 690
Kei Nishikori 370
Dominic Thiem 190
Alexander Zverev 190
Félix Auger-Aliassime 180
Stefanos Tsitsipas 20
Tournaments:
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Deleted member 77403
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He looks like he will make it
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TripleATeam
G.O.A.T.
Ties are broken by the most total points from Big Events (M1000, GS, and WTF). If they are still tied, then the one with fewer events. If still tied, then it's the most total points from one single tournament, (then second highest, third highest, until all events are exhausted.) If they are still tied at that point, the ATP has no way to break the tie.Ha, what happens in case of a tie? Not sure that has happened before
Red Rick
Bionic Poster
I think this was a joke referring to the 3 of them losing 1st round at WimblyAre you kidding me?
The race to London ...
Djokovic 6725, qualified
Nadal 6225, qualified
Federer 5060 and he'll get there too
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Thiem 3315
Tsitsipas 2995
Zverev 1590
Yeah, they are breathing. Sorry stupid joke but whatever
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tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
Fed moved the target from 286 to 310
Hoping Djoker can be an alpha male by moving target to 350
Hoping Djoker can be an alpha male by moving target to 350
beard
Legend
tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
Desperation at its best, nice, me like that
Go Novak, GO....
Depends on if Novak wants to be in a tier of his own or debated in every topic
Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil
Talk Tennis Guru
Connors moved the target from 41 to 268 way back.
I'm afraid the next alpha will have to go beyond 500. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Sephiroth
Hall of Fame
So thanks for telling us Fed isn't in a tier of his own cuz Fed gets debated in every topic right now and probably has for many years everytime Nadal or Djokovic increased their resume
alexio
G.O.A.T.
he wants to be in his own league, believe me, he ate that grass for a reason
tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
So thanks for telling us Fed isn't in a tier of his own cuz Fed gets debated in every topic right now and probably has for many years everytime Nadal or Djokovic increased their resume
You don’t increase resume . You improve it
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He needs to be twice as good as him to set a new bar then he’ll have to get an extra week, so at least 359 weeks. BUT that’s only if we don’t take the weak era into account, otherwise he needs at least 383 weeks to truly surpass him. BUT that’s only if we don’t take Federer’s age into account, he was 36 when he got 8 additional weeks at number 1 so Djokovic would need to be twice as good each year for 3 years and then add an extra week. So the new target is 432 weeks.
uscwang
Hall of Fame
The longer Fedal still play/compete/do not retire, Djokovic is more likely to be motivated/win/achieve enough to be alone at the top.
And if they both retire tomorrow or get abducted by aliens this night, for how long Djokovic will be able to maintain the motivation without them - 3, 6, 9 ... months?
Ombeleeble, no?
helterskelter
G.O.A.T.
I think you're forgetting quite how old Federer really is. He was 36 when he got mono at the start of 2008. By the time he got the eight additional weeks as #1, he was closer to 950, and that rounds up. So, he's basically 1,000 years old. In fact, he celebrated his 1,000th birthday last week, which means he's already 10,000 now.
helterskelter
G.O.A.T.
That's not true. Nadal can't overtake until October, but Federer could do so. It's not likely though.
titoelcolombiano
Legend
Over the next 18 months we will see Fed's weeks at # 1 record fall, Pete's YE # 1 record equalled and potentially fall and Fed's slam record equalled or potentially fall.
helterskelter
G.O.A.T.
The only one that will (almost) definitely remain intact through this generation is Sampras's consecutive year-end #1 record.
beard
Legend
Winter is coming for Fed and his fans. For Rafole its spring and summer is coming...
Nice times are in front of us.. the destiny will unfold and stars of justice will align
titoelcolombiano
Legend
Winter is coming for Fed and his fans. For Rafole its spring and summer is coming...
Nice times are in front of us.. the destiny will unfold and stars of justice will align
Where's the like button when you need it?
SaintPetros
Hall of Fame
Wonder if people will expect Fedster to hand Novak/Nadal his 21st slam trophy as well.
SaintPetros
Hall of Fame
Rafolpras...remember Nole was heavily inspired by PETE and PETE greatly respects Nole.Winter is coming for Fed and his fans. For Rafole its spring and summer is coming...
Nice times are in front of us.. the destiny will unfold and stars of justice will align
Standaa
G.O.A.T.
gosh I wanna like this
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He does look good at the moment to hold onto the number one ranking at least until past USO. He understands the importance of really doing well in Cincy, if he defends his points these coming weeks, he will be very very hard to stop.
beard
Legend
Fed fans in their holes.... Hiding from inevitable....
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Deleted member 77403
Guest
Djokovic likely to be pushing Nadal into third place at the rate he is going if he defends the USO. That will make Djokovic the closest he has been to the biggest prize, of getting to Federer.
beard
Legend
Surely, but i think he was talking about weeks no1, not slams... Maybe i am wrong... And i wrote that record is inevitable to be broken, not slams... About slams its over 50% chance, even bookies say so...
Eren
Professional
Why? I am a Federer fan but I like Djokovic as a player (not some of his fans obviously).
I think he can get to 350 weeks at #1.
beard
Legend
Not all fans, of course, I quoted one...
TheGhostOfAgassi
Talk Tennis Guru
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