NYCGS Nole 2015/2016 - ''This is something that is so rare in tennis" Andy Murray

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bilboa

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''This is something that is so rare in tennis,'' said Murray, who is now 2-8 in Grand Slam finals. ''It's going to take a long time for it to happen again.'' Enough Said ;)

If a tennis player of his caliber says this - you can just image what this means in the "pro" circle. 47 years to do - IMO this is a game changer in the GOAT debate whatever comes next.

Surprised the people on this board give so little weight to this achievement.

Nole.. I am speechless - So proud and well deserved!!! IDEMOOOOOOO

On a sidenote:
Congrats to Andy for being a great player and gracious in defeat - truly wish he gets all 4.
 
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merwy

G.O.A.T.
Nobody's giving little weight to it. It's huge and will be remembered forever, just like Laver's CYGS gets mentioned in every GOAT debate time after time again. OTOH it doesn't automatically make him GOAT or anything, so we'll see how the rest of his career pans out. Of course I'm hoping Federer can stay ahead.
 
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bilboa

Rookie
merwy said:
Nobody's giving little weight to it. It's huge and will be remembered forever, just like Laver's CYGS gets mentioned in every GOAT debate time after time again. OTOH it doesn't automatically make him GOAT or anything, so we'll see how the rest of his career pans out. Of course I'm hoping Federer can stay ahead.
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No disrespect to Fed or Nadal - great players and sportsmen (especially Nadal who's personality I like more). And to be clear not stuck on the GOAT debate myself - its just that to me, personally, holding all 4 at the same time after almost 5 decades is something else to behold.
 
Tenez101

Tenez101

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Muzz is winning more at some point, it's unfortunately a matter of waiting for Nole to drop off a bit. (Or getting Lendl back in his corner: Ivan, get off the golf courts, your pupil needs you once again!) I am also rooting for him to win all 4 at some point. He's come ridiculously close at AO several times. Win all 4 and he will have zero regrets for his career. Plus he already won Wimbledon in front of his home crowd, probably the hardest match for anyone to have won in a while.
 
Mainad

Mainad

Bionic Poster
Tenez101 said:
Muzz is winning more at some point, it's unfortunately a matter of waiting for Nole to drop off a bit.
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Given they are exactly the same age, he could be waiting so long that he himself will have dropped off a bit by the same stage. :(

Tenez101 said:
(Or getting Lendl back in his corner: Ivan, get off the golf courts, your pupil needs you once again!) I am also rooting for him to win all 4 at some point. He's come ridiculously close at AO several times. Win all 4 and he will have zero regrets for his career. Plus he already won Wimbledon in front of his home crowd, probably the hardest match for anyone to have won in a while.
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2012-13 already feels like a whole other era.
 
3fees

3fees

G.O.A.T.
The FO is not only a tough tourney to win, one has to weather the delays, start, stops,cold , warm, reschedules and so forth, Murray and Djokovic pressed for validation in this tournament, Murray knocked off Wawrinka 2015 winner, Djokovic raised his First Musketeers Trophy and in doing so has won all four slams,, Getting into the Group of 8 that have done this,, so yes its a rare tournament.

Cheers
3Fees :)
 
Tenez101

Tenez101

Banned
Mainad said:
Given they are exactly the same age, he could be waiting so long that he himself will have dropped off a bit by the same stage. :(



2012-13 already feels like a whole other era.
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Basically, I think (as has probably already been pointed out) Andy's issue is stamina. The way he was playing in the first set was scary. The difference between him and the other top players is that the others can keep this up for three sets. Andy can do this for two sets but fades over the course of the match. He needs to learn how to regulate his emotions (and mental energy) over the course of a big match. Not just come out guns blazing and running down every ball on every point when's he's already up. I almost wonder if him being too bulky and muscular has something to do with it. Djokovic is very lean, toned and skinny, and so seemingly doesn't expend as much effort in long rallies whereas Andy is almost always out of breath after a baseline war with Novak. If he doesn't already, Andy should focus on aerobic exercises and maybe cut down his weight with his personal trainer. Of course this is easier said than done at age 29, but hardly impossible! If anyone has the motivation, it should be Andy.
 
3fees

3fees

G.O.A.T.
Murray won the 2013 Wimbledon Championships and the 2012 US Open,He need a FO and AO to get into the group of 8 ,ect whom has won all 4 Slams, in there Professional Tennis Career.

Cheers
3Fees :)
 
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bilboa

Rookie
post match interview w Murray:
http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/news/murray-2016-roland-garros-final-reaction

“What Novak achieved today is something extremely special, and a lot of people would have wanted to have seen that and been a part of that,” said Andy Murray after his four-set loss to Novak Djokovic gave the World No. 1 a career Grand Slam. The pair faced off for the seventh time in a Grand Slam final. “He played extremely well and gave me very few errors.”

“[It’s] such a rare thing [for Novak’s achievement] to have happened, and obviously the depth in the game just now is strong. Some people may think differently, but the level of tennis is pretty high now and something you probably won't see for a long, long time. His performances over the last 18 months to two years have been exceptional.”
 
stringertom

stringertom

Bionic Poster
Tshooter said:
I knew if before I checked...

Ivo v. Fed

1 W, 13 L

Ivo v. Djoker

2 W, 1L

"I have a winning record verse The GOAT" sounds better than "I was another super pigeon verse The GOAT"
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He also beat puppy Djokovic in a qualie match at Madrid'05 so he'll tell his grandchildren "I beat the Serbian GOAT for an entire decade!"
 
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bilboa

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another great read on Nole Slam:

https://allineedisapicketfence.word...kovic-pushes-his-way-into-tennis-immortality/

"What’s amazing about this latest French Open final is not that Murray — despite a brilliant first set — had to continue to push through his opponent.
It’s that Djokovic pushed through the past — and Roger, and Rafa — to join his two fabled rivals as an owner of a career Grand Slam.
It’s that Djokovic has made himself untouchable enough that he’s actually exceeded Nadal and Federer with the freshly-achieved Novak Slam.
It’s that Djokovic, who labored for years under the standards set by a Spaniard and a Swiss, has now done something only Rod Laver had previously achieved in the Open Era (1969), and which no man has ever done (hold four major titles on three different surfaces)."
 
Meles

Meles

Bionic Poster
bilboa said:
another great read on Nole Slam:

https://allineedisapicketfence.word...kovic-pushes-his-way-into-tennis-immortality/

"What’s amazing about this latest French Open final is not that Murray — despite a brilliant first set — had to continue to push through his opponent.
It’s that Djokovic pushed through the past — and Roger, and Rafa — to join his two fabled rivals as an owner of a career Grand Slam.
It’s that Djokovic has made himself untouchable enough that he’s actually exceeded Nadal and Federer with the freshly-achieved Novak Slam.
It’s that Djokovic, who labored for years under the standards set by a Spaniard and a Swiss, has now done something only Rod Laver had previously achieved in the Open Era (1969), and which no man has ever done (hold four major titles on three different surfaces)."
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Yes. This is the amazing thing "hold four major titles on three different surfaces".

For me holding all 4 majors at one time is the slam. The Calendar year slam is ******** especially when you consider that Australia has been at beginning and end of Calendar. All 4 slams are very highly valued now and that's not been the case in the past either. Better to talk about slams won in a row:
Women (Open Era):
Margaret Court 6
Steffi Graf 5
Serena Williams 4 (twice)
Navratilova 4

Men:
Rod Laver 4
Novak Djokovic 4 and counting...
 
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bilboa

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interesting article on the topic and also how Nole is more human than people make him out to be:

"THE FRENCH OPEN, NOVAK DJOKOVIC, AND THE END OF THE MACHINE AGE IN TENNIS"
http://www.newyorker.com/news/sport...ovic-and-the-end-of-the-machine-age-in-tennis

"There is something about Djokovic that infuriates many people, his opponents but also tennis fans. It may be his planar style, or his backswing, efficient rather than a liquid whip. It may be the way he seems to make the right choice instead of the beautiful one, the way he plays with percentages instead of grit, or the way he bends and never seems to break. It may be the way he runs down every ball, stretches for every volley, hits that demoralizing extra shot. People call him a machine—not very nicely.

And yet, to me, he is among the most human of players. For all the self-assurance of his game, when he glances at the crowd, when he gives interviews, when he pals around with ball kids, he looks imploring. It is as if his desire is not only to win but to be seen."
 
Krish872007

Krish872007

Talk Tennis Guru
bilboa said:
another nice one

"You don’t have to like Djokovic. But don’t call him a robot. Instead, adjust your definition of what’s humanly possible on a tennis court."

http://www.palatinate.org.uk/djokov...complishes-greatest-ever-feat-in-mens-tennis/
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Interesting. But if we were to adjust our definition of what was humanly possible on a tennis court, that would make Djokovic's achievements appear less impressive than they are surely?
So it is better to find everything mind-blowing
 
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helterskelter

G.O.A.T.
Navratilova won six in a row (WI 83 - UO 84).

Besides her five, Graf won four in a row, too (RG 93 - AO 94).

Meles said:
Yes. This is the amazing thing "hold four major titles on three different surfaces".

For me holding all 4 majors at one time is the slam. The Calendar year slam is ******** especially when you consider that Australia has been at beginning and end of Calendar. All 4 slams are very highly valued now and that's not been the case in the past either. Better to talk about slams won in a row:
Women (Open Era):
Margaret Court 6
Steffi Graf 5
Serena Williams 4 (twice)
Navratilova 4

Men:
Rod Laver 4
Novak Djokovic 4 and counting...
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stringertom

stringertom

Bionic Poster
Back in its original format, Wimby's defending champion automatically advanced to the final vs whoever made it through the draw. I suggest a slightly modified version for Djokovic...he plays Ivo 1R and the winner gets a spot in the finals.:eek:
 
Laniarty

Laniarty

New User
bilboa said:
And yet, to me, he is among the most human of players. For all the self-assurance of his game, when he glances at the crowd, when he gives interviews, when he pals around with ball kids, he looks imploring. It is as if his desire is not only to win but to be seen."
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I think this is why people don't like him. He is so desperate for people to love him like they love Fed or Nadal, that he tries too hard. As a result, everything he does feels fake and forced. That stuff he did with the ball kids this French Open smacked of desperation for the public to love him.

Just makes me hate him more.
 
ST_spitzertelescope

ST_spitzertelescope

Semi-Pro
Tenez101 said:
Muzz is winning more at some point, it's unfortunately a matter of waiting for Nole to drop off a bit. (Or getting Lendl back in his corner: Ivan, get off the golf courts, your pupil needs you once again!) I am also rooting for him to win all 4 at some point. He's come ridiculously close at AO several times. Win all 4 and he will have zero regrets for his career. Plus he already won Wimbledon in front of his home crowd, probably the hardest match for anyone to have won in a while.
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That's what he's just done (lendl). 12/6/2016
 
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