Open Era Seasons Stats

[SgtJohn]

Hey folks,

It's been a long time since my last post here...Anyway with a little more time on my hands now, I hope I'm back for good

Seeing some talks about individual seasons reminded me of some stats I gathered a while ago on this theme.

I computed 'ranking points' for all the main players in the Open Era, for all their career. Some 'disclaimers':

-the source is the ATP official website data. You guys know that this is far from perfect or complete prior to 1990.

-at the time I (foolishly) used the ATP rankings points system (as of 2007) to compute these points, though now I would strongly favor a "1000-500-250" system rather than their "1000-700-450".

-you might wonder how I adapted the 2007 system to the years before 1990 as there was no 'Super 9'. I actually used as a Super 9 my list of 'Masters Series' for 1973-1989 (as discussed in very old posts elsewhere on the forum).

-I used mostly initials instead of names in my file, but I think that most of you will be able to do the math and know who they're referring to

Anyway, with all these caveats, this is far from a perfect list and I'm not extremely satisfied with it, but that's what I have at the moment and I thought it might be of interest to some of you...

Here is what I ended up with:

 

[SgtJohn]

TOTAL POINTS (every single tournament counts)

RF06 8360
Vilas77 7840
JMC84 7361
IL86 7360
RF07 7180
IL82 7020
JC74 6855
Nastase73 6835
RF05 6775
IL85 6750
RN08 6675
PS93 6500
RF04 6485
IL83 6460
IL89 6360
IL87 6360
BB78 6230
JMC79 6155
PS94 6115
JC76 6045


'Best 14' (that says it all...)

RF06 7900
IL86 7110
RF07 7105
JMC84 7100
RF05 6650
RF04 6425
RN08 6335
IL87 6285
JC74 6250
IL85 6150
BB78 6025
BB80 6020
IL89 5990
IL83 5775
PS94 5750
PS95 5710
PS93 5675
BB79 5600
SE87 5550
Vilas77 5550


"Divisor" (ie Total Points/ Maximum(# of tournaments, 14))

RF06 492
IL86 460
RF05 452
BB80 430
IL87 424
RF07 422
RF04 381
IL85 375
IL89 372
Bbe89 370
JMC84 368
MW88 355
BB79 352
RN08 351
BB78 346
JC74 343
JC78 337
AA95 333
JMC85 329
PS94 322

 

[SgtJohn]

PER SURFACE (Total points)

Carpet:

JMC79 3195
IL82 3000
IL83 2865
IL86 2800
JMC83 2665
JMC84 2651
JMC80 2640
JC80 2390
JMC85 2275
Bbe88 2260
JC74 2235
Bbe86 2105
JC76 1985
JC78 1975
BB78 1970
IL84 1950
JMC82 1875
Bbe92 1825
Bbe90 1790
Bbe95 1720

Clay:

Vilas77 4420
Muster95 4215
Nastase73 3595
BB74 3520
Nadal05 3370
Muster96 2630
BB75 2620
Guga01 2610
Nadal07 2600
MW83 2570
MW85 2560
MW87 2485
IL85 2450
IL81 2370
IL82 2295
Nadal08 2255
Nadal06 2250
Guga00 2245

Grass:

JC74 3060
PS93 1715
JC75 1710
JC73 1685
JMC83 1625
JMC80 1310
Bbe85 1290
IL83 1260
JMC81 1250
JC82 1250
JMC84 1250
PS95 1250
PS99 1250
RF03 1250
RF04 1250
RF05 1250
RF06 1250
RN08 1250

Hardcourt:

RF06 5460
RF07 4550
RF04 4370
AA95 4125
RF05 3950
SE87 3400
IL89 3375
JC73 3260
PS95 3245
AA99 3205
RN08 3170
PS97 3085
MW88 3060
Rafter98 3010
SE90 3000
AA01 2995
PS94 2915
AA03 2850
SE91 2835
PS96 2820

 

[SgtJohn]

W-L Records:

Total:

Name W L %

JMC84 82 3 0,965
RF05 81 4 0,953
RF06 92 5 0,948
JC74 89 6 0,937
BB80 65 5 0,929
IL86 78 6 0,929
RF04 74 6 0,925
IL82 108 9 0,923
BB79 72 6 0,923
IL85 83 7 0,922
JC78 69 6 0,920
IL89 80 7 0,920
BB77 73 7 0,913
JC76 89 9 0,908
Vilas77 138 14 0,908
BB78 68 7 0,907
IL87 76 8 0,905
JMC79 91 11 0,892
Bbe89 66 8 0,892
JMC85 74 9 0,892


Carpet:

JMC84 36 0 1,000
IL82 39 0 1,000
RF06 5 0 1,000
Bbe88 21 1 0,955
JC74 37 2 0,949
JC76 34 2 0,944
IL85 15 1 0,938
JMC85 29 2 0,935
Bbe89 29 2 0,935
BB80 14 1 0,933
JC78 26 2 0,929
IL86 25 2 0,926
JMC79 51 5 0,911
Bbe90 28 3 0,903
IL87 17 2 0,895
BB77 25 3 0,893
JMC82 31 4 0,886
JMC83 22 3 0,880
BB79 22 3 0,880
JC75 28 4 0,875


Clay:

Nadal06 26 0 1,000
JC74 6 0 1,000
Muster95 65 2 0,970
IL85 32 1 0,970
Nadal07 31 1 0,968
BB77 26 1 0,963
Nadal05 50 2 0,962
BB79 24 1 0,960
BB80 22 1 0,957
BB78 22 1 0,957
Nadal08 22 1 0,957
MW83 42 2 0,955
Nastase73 54 3 0,947
BB81 17 1 0,944
IL86 17 1 0,944
IL88 15 1 0,938
JC76 28 2 0,933
IL87 14 1 0,933
Vilas77 69 5 0,932
JC78 13 1 0,929


Grass:

Hewitt02 14 0 1,000
JC82 13 0 1,000
JMC84 13 0 1,000
JMC81 13 0 1,000
PS95 12 0 1,000
PS99 12 0 1,000
RF06 12 0 1,000
RF05 12 0 1,000
RF03 12 0 1,000
RF04 12 0 1,000
RN08 12 0 1,000
BB77 7 0 1,000
BB79 7 0 1,000
BB78 7 0 1,000
BB80 7 0 1,000
AA92 7 0 1,000
BB76 7 0 1,000
Bbe89 7 0 1,000
RF07 7 0 1,000
JC74 23 1 0,958


Hardcourt:

RF05 50 1 0,980
RF06 59 2 0,967
JC75 20 1 0,952
IL89 39 2 0,951
AA95 53 3 0,946
IL86 30 2 0,938
MW88 29 2 0,935
JMC81 28 2 0,933
JMC85 25 2 0,926
PS94 37 3 0,925
Vilas77 37 3 0,925
RF04 46 4 0,920
IL87 34 3 0,919
PS96 45 4 0,918
IL85 29 3 0,906
BB79 19 2 0,905
JC78 18 2 0,900
JC82 36 4 0,900
Bbe88 17 2 0,895
SE87 42 5 0,894

 

[SgtJohn]

WINS

TOTAL:

Vilas77 138
Nastase73 118
IL82 108
IL80 106
IL81 97
RF06 92
JMC79 91
JC74 89
JC76 89
BB74 85
IL85 83
JMC84 82
JMC80 81
RF05 81
IL89 80
JC79 80
PS94 78
IL86 78
BB75 78
JC75 78


Carpet:

JMC79 51
IL82 39
JC74 37
JMC80 36
JMC84 36
JC76 34
JMC82 31
JMC85 29
Bbe89 29
JC75 28
Bbe90 28
JMC81 27
JC84 26
Bbe86 26
JC78 26
BB75 25
BB77 25
IL86 25
BB78 25
JC79 23


Clay:

Vilas77 69
Muster95 65
Nastase73 54
Nadal05 50
BB74 49
Muster96 46
IL82 45
MW83 42
MW85 40
MW87 40
MW82 38
Guga01 36
Coria03 36
BB75 35
Ferrero01 34
Ferrero03 34
IL85 32
Nadal07 31
AA88 29
JC76 28


Grass:

JC74 23
JC79 17
JMC80 17
JMC83 16
Hewitt02 14
SE87 14
Bbe85 13
JC75 13
JMC81 13
JC82 13
JMC84 13
Bbe88 12
JC78 12
PS95 12
RF04 12
RF05 12
RF03 12
MW83 12
SE88 12
PS99 12
RF06 12
RN08 12

Hardcourt:

RF06 59
AA95 53
RF05 50
RF04 46
RF07 46
RN08 46
PS96 45
RF03 44
PS93 43
SE87 42
IL89 39
PS94 37
PS95 37
Vilas77 37
PS97 36
JC82 36
IL87 34
SE92 32
JC84 30
IL86 30
IL85 29
MW88 29

 

[SgtJohn]

Sorry again about the 'rawness' of this data. Don't forget that this is based on the ATP data so probably much of it is factually wrong. Take this as a gross estimate, for the sake of analysis...

Have a nice day!

 

[CyBorg]

Now I'm even more confused.

Nice to see you back, SgtJohn.

 

[vive le beau jeu !]

Sorry again about the 'rawness' of this data. Don't forget that this is based on the ATP data so probably much of it is factually wrong. Take this as a gross estimate, for the sake of analysis...

Have a nice day!

great work, sergent !

i like it.

it's an interesting question to wonder "what it would have given" with this or that ranking system.
how did you take into account the WCT final ?... as one of today's masters-series ?

by the way, too bad they removed carpet nowadays... :?

 

[SgtJohn]

great work, sergent !

i like it.

it's an interesting question to wonder "what it would have given" with this or that ranking system.
how did you take into account the WCT final ?... as one of today's masters-series ?

by the way, too bad they removed carpet nowadays... :?

Glad you appreciate this...
Yes you are right, I counted pre-89 Dallas as a 500 pts event, which is very unaccurate for the early years.
It would be interesting to compute these stats again with a more sophisticated ranking system, but the bad quality of the ATP site data for the 70s and 80s makes it not worth the (great amount of) work, I think. We have lists of events 'forgotten' by the ATP on wikipedia for the foremost players, but just winners and runner-ups, I don't know of a place where to get the draws...

 

[jeffreyneave]

Qusestions For St John

you're introduction confused me a bit.

Are you using the 1000/500/(250-175) system that the atp used for 2000-2007 to do your calculations ?

or are you doing the early 1990s atp system of 1000/700/450 across all the years


are you differentiating between the lowest event ie 175-250 or treating all these events the same at 250 ?

I WOULD COUNT THE wct FINALS AT 750 THE SAME AS THE maSTERS

jeffrey

 

[Argento full]

I'm new here, but I admire your old posts.
Great to see you here again!

 

[SgtJohn]

you're introduction confused me a bit.

Are you using the 1000/500/(250-175) system that the atp used for 2000-2007 to do your calculations ?

or are you doing the early 1990s atp system of 1000/700/450 across all the years


are you differentiating between the lowest event ie 175-250 or treating all these events the same at 250 ?

I WOULD COUNT THE wct FINALS AT 750 THE SAME AS THE maSTERS

jeffrey

Yes sorry, that was ambiguous. I am indeed using the 1000-500-250 system for points allocated to tournament wins.

But what I referred to here was the points allocated for Win/final/SF/etc. 1000/700/450 is the system used by the ATP up to 2008 (for a Grand Slam but the rest is just proportional), and 1000/500/250 is a system that today seems more fair to me but was never used by an official institution.

I did not distinguish between 175 and 250 points tournaments.

I agree with you about Dallas!