Peak Roddick possessed the best inside-out forehand of all-time and here's why

Heuristic

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Believe me, I have watched Verdasco blast inside-outs that looked like they were from another planet. But he was also very error prone and hit it with way less, and I mean WAY LESS margin, even when he had time for it. Roddicks incredibly high margin of error is probably attributed to his greater top-spin (even when he hit it flatter at his peak). If Roddick had the perfect position it got in, and he usually gained the upperhand if he put enough cut on it (hardest clocked was around 170+khm). And he could do it from anywhere back in the court. Nadal has a great inside out forehand but more of grinding shot. Not as good in my opinion. and not a shot expecting to hit winners from way back in the court with just one shot.

Why then Roddick was a one time slam wonder with such a shot. I'll explain why. His cross court-forehand was not as good. It was as solid a shot you can ask for, but it didnt have the magic of an agassi passing shot, and cross-court forehands are more usual than inside-out ones. So the disparity between different parts of A-rods forehand was quite noticeable.


What about Gonzo? Well, Gonzalez was more top-spinny like A-rods but still very error prone, and more of a hit or miss shot. When he was in the "zone" he got it in more often, but he could still miss wildly and look like a slugger with no technique. I would never take his unreliable inside out forehand over Roddicks.

The reason A-rod did not employ it more often is: it's a time & energy consuming shot requiring good footwork. You leave the other side of the court open if it doesn't have enough venom in it. And three (which applies less to roddick but still universally) is techically more difficult shot to control and get in than a cross-court forehand.

Just for clarification, Roddick did miss inside-out forehands, but they were never due to inherent technical flaws, it was his sometimes sluggish footwork, not the technical delivery.

Agree or disagree? And if not Roddick then who? I have watched them all, at least of his own generation and the previous one...

Short memory? Watch this.

 

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NatF

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Arod had a very good I/O fh, he could belt it with some very nice angles, probably top 10 all-time and maybe top 5 for the last 20 years. Even from his own peak years Federer's was definitely better though - Nadal's is/was better as well.
 

BringBackWood

Professional
Andy could never play loose. He briefly let himself go out of his comfort zone but his natural game was always hitting shots all tensed up. Really very limiting when that is the case.
 

Heuristic

Hall of Fame
Even from his own peak years Federer's was definitely better though - Nadal's is/was better as well.

Not even close. Both had better overall forehands, though. If I have a ball deep in the court with a soft, high bounce, I take Roddicks inside out forehand every day of the week.
 

Federev

Legend
Believe me, I have watched Verdasco blast inside-outs that looked like they were from another planet. But he was also very error prone and hit it with way less, and I mean WAY LESS margin, even when he had time for it. Roddicks incredibly high margin of error is probably attributed to his greater top-spin (even when he hit it flatter at his peak). If Roddick had the perfect position it got in, and he usually gained the upperhand if he put enough cut on it (hardest clocked was around 170+khm). And he could do it from anywhere back in the court. Nadal has a great inside out forehand but more of grinding shot. Not as good in my opinion. and not a shot expecting to hit winners from way back in the court with just one shot.

Why then Roddick was a one time slam wonder with such a shot. I'll explain why. His cross court-forehand was not as good. It was as solid a shot you can ask for, but it didnt have the magic of an agassi passing shot, and cross-court forehands are more usual than inside-out ones. So the disparity between different parts of A-rods forehand was quite noticeable.


What about Gonzo? Well, Gonzalez was more top-spinny like A-rods but still very error prone, and more of a hit or miss shot. When he was in the "zone" he got it in more often, but he could still miss wildly and look like a slugger with no technique. I would never take his unreliable inside out forehand over Roddicks.

The reason A-rod did not employ it more often is: it's a time & energy consuming shot requiring good footwork. You leave the other side of the court open if it doesn't have enough venom in it. And three (which applies less to roddick but still universally) is techically more difficult shot to control and get in than a cross-court forehand.

Just for clarification, Roddick did miss inside-out forehands, but they were never due to inherent technical flaws, it was his sometimes sluggish footwork, not the technical delivery.

Agree or disagree? And if not Roddick then who? I have watched them all, at least of his own generation and the previous one...

Short memory? Watch this.

I can agree it was up there with the best and perhaps no one was greater on that stroke.

But something else you wrote I would say needs clarifying...Roddick was a one slam wonder for really only one reason: He had the bad luck of being in Fed’s generation and his peak was concurrent with Fed’s. That whole generation was destroyed by that.

It took a generation 5-6 years younger to hang with Fed and they’re still dealing with him.
 

Heuristic

Hall of Fame
Watch these 0:59 inside out FH highlights Against Fed...and then tell me that's not the best one in the game...

 

Federev

Legend
Watch these 0:59 inside out FH highlights Against Fed...and then tell me that's not the best one in the game...

His forehand was CRAZY good.

That man would have - and deserved to - win way more slams than he did. I would love to see him come up in the Djokdal generation.

Too many peak Fed run-ins demoralized Him and stunted his progress, made him lose hope.
 
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Heuristic

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I can agree it was up there with the best and perhaps no one was greater on that stroke.

But something else you wrote I would say needs clarifying...Roddick was a one slam wonder for really only one reason: He had the bad luck of being in Fed’s generation and his peak was concurrent with Fed’s. That whole generation was destroyed by that.

It took a generation 5-6 years younger to hang with Fed and they’re still dealing with him.

When you have a backhand that's not even top 50 level, and a lackluster return game, you don't win many slams. Simple as that.
 

Federev

Legend
When you have a backhand that's not even top 50 level, and a lackluster return game, you don't win many slams. Simple as that.
It’s actually even simpler.

What’s simpler is to look at actual history and consider the slams where there was only one guy stopping him from the trophy.

Peak Fed stunted a lot of careers, but A-Rods was the one whose career I wished was allowed to blossom in another generation.

He was better than what he got.
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
When you have a backhand that's not even top 50 level, and a lackluster return game, you don't win many slams. Simple as that.

On the one hand you overrate his forehand and then on the other you write crap like this...

His backhand was fine, certainly top 50 level - if you look at his slam losses to Federer it was rarely his backhand that did him in. His return game was lackluster but then so is Wawrinka's and he's got three slams...
 

Heuristic

Hall of Fame
On the one hand you overrate his forehand and then on the other you write crap like this...

His backhand was fine, certainly top 50 level - if you look at his slam losses to Federer it was rarely his backhand that did him in. His return game was lackluster but then so is Wawrinka's and he's got three slams...

Roddicks movement was also sluggish. He could hit nice running forehands, but his running backhand was dismal 99% of the time.
 

Steve0904

Talk Tennis Guru
Should also say that I think Djoker's is probably underrated here too. Him and Roddick are close, but they do it in different ways. Roddick was more power, but Djokovic hits his I/O FH to get people out of position by using really wide angles. Both are probably equally effective.
 

Heuristic

Hall of Fame
It isn't the best ever just based on the fact that from his own era, Federer's is/was better, Nadal's is/was better as well. Ridiculous exaggeration to say "best ever", but it was a very good shot. Likely extremely underrated given the overall opinion of Roddick here.

You amuse me. How many times did Nadal and Federer hit an inside out forehand at this pace with that margin?

2:13
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
Roddicks movement was also sluggish. He could hit nice running forehands, but his running backhand was dismal 99% of the time.

...again Roddick in his best years was a good mover. Not elite but definitely not sluggish, he could and did play some good defence.
 

Heuristic

Hall of Fame
Should also say that I think Djoker's is probably underrated here too. Him and Roddick are close, but they do it in different ways IMO. Roddick was more power, but Djokovic hits his I/O FH to get people out of position by using really wide angles. Both are probably equally effective.

I have seen Djokers... Definately in the discussion. Fed's is not, great as it was. Fed hit great ones when he was way in the court... And yes fantastically consistent and all of that, but not a blaster like A-rod.
 

Steve0904

Talk Tennis Guru
I have seen Djokers... Definately in the discussion. Fed's is not, great as it was. Fed hit great ones when he was way in the court... And yes fantastically consistent and all of that, but not a blaster like A-rod.

Obviously, peak for peak Fed's is easily in the discussion. Easily in the top 1%.
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
Should also say that I think Djoker's is probably underrated here too. Him and Roddick are close, but they do it in different ways IMO. Roddick was more power, but Djokovic hits his I/O FH to get people out of position by using really wide angles. Both are probably equally effective.

I'd say Djokovic definitely has the better overall forehand, his inside out is worse then Arod's was at its peak imo.
 

Heuristic

Hall of Fame
...again Roddick in his best years was a good mover. Not elite but definitely not sluggish, he could and did play some good defence.

You need to be an elite mover or extremely solid and great off both wings to stand a chance against Fed in a slam, like Del Petro - excellent forehand and backhand. Roddick was neither solid or great from his backhand. His running backhand rarely made it.
 

Raining hopes

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P. S.: HELL NO, BUT THANKS FOR THE LAUGH.

Fedalovic are light years ahead of Andy Roddick in almost every conceivable department related to tennis but not this one. Fedal are still better but Roddick Forehand could be a very very troubling shot in around 2002-04.See lesser players are also allowed to have some merits .


You know this too or atleast would be reminded of it if you watched the video, you are just too blinded by your ignorance of players of that era to see it.

Maybe they were really average overall, but let's not disrespect the skills they actually possessed.


Yep. I still know you will reply with some joke about weak era .
 

Federev

Legend
Should also say that I think Djoker's is probably underrated here too. Him and Roddick are close, but they do it in different ways. Roddick was more power, but Djokovic hits his I/O FH to get people out of position by using really wide angles. Both are probably equally effective.
Djoko's consistent line painting is crazy.
 

Heuristic

Hall of Fame
You noticed how in the marathon wimbledon final Roddicks backhand was suddenly making winners down the lines? You saw how close it got.

If Roddicks backhand was that great in 03-04... Roddick would have won slams off Fed. Not a lot but a few.
 

Heuristic

Hall of Fame
His backhand was fine, certainly top 50 level ...

It wasn't consistently top 50 level IMO. In the first sets of the Wimbledon 04 final it certainly was top 20. Then you watch just about any other Roddick match from that time period and it's just there to keep the ball in play 99% of the time, and whenever he makes a sloppy or forced error, it's that side.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
I have seen Djokers... Definately in the discussion. Fed's is not, great as it was. Fed hit great ones when he was way in the court... And yes fantastically consistent and all of that, but not a blaster like A-rod.

LOL wut ?
Fed's I/O FH > Roddick's I/O FH > Djokovic's I/O FH.
 

Steve0904

Talk Tennis Guru
Can't you see his technique is way worse than A-Rods in the first clip? ask Fed in 03-04 who had the better inside out forehand and he would 100% answer you Roddick

No I can't see it. Can you please explain it to me? I may nominate you in the TTW Awards as a late entry if I think your explanation is good enough.
 

Heuristic

Hall of Fame
No I can't see it. Can you please explain it to me? I may nominate you in the TTW Awards as a late entry if I think your explanation is good enough.

While it's a seemingly natural, fluid motion, it lacks the full-body integration and explosiveness of the Roddick inside out forehand.
 

Steve0904

Talk Tennis Guru
While it's a seemingly natural, fluid motion, it lacks the full-body integration and explosiveness of the Roddick inside out forehand.

Lots of big words, but I'm not that impressed. Now watching Fedr hit some amazing I/O FHs against Fantastic Fabio.
 
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Should also say that I think Djoker's is probably underrated here too. Him and Roddick are close, but they do it in different ways. Roddick was more power, but Djokovic hits his I/O FH to get people out of position by using really wide angles. Both are probably equally effective.

Djoko's angles are amazing, some of the best ever and the IO FH highights that. I agree that his forehand overall isn't on the level of Fedal but the angles are which the I/O can highlight in part.
 

Heuristic

Hall of Fame
Djoko's angles are amazing, some of the best ever and the IO FH highights that. I agree that his forehand overall isn't on the level of Fedal but the angles are which the I/O can highlight in part.

With with the same margins as Roddicks, well inside the baseline yet completely unreturnable? I do recall him blasting inside out forehands down the lines.
 

Steve0904

Talk Tennis Guru
Djoko's angles are amazing, some of the best ever and the IO FH highights that. I agree that his forehand overall isn't on the level of Fedal but the angles are which the I/O can highlight in part.

Djoker's FH is great, but it's a definite 3rd overall to Fedal, IMO. (Fed's 1st IMO, but I'm biased. :)) I appreciate the way Djokovic can pull guys out of court with his I/O FH though. Especially noteworthy when he plays Nadal, since we consider Nadal one of, if not the best defender ever. Djokovic doesn't really blast through Nadal. He often pulls Nadal wide on both sides and he's very careful about his net approaches which is something I often think Federer is pretty bad at when he plays Nadal, especially when Nadal was in his prime. Federer often approached too early on him specifically. It worked against everybody else, but against Nadal you have to be careful.
 
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Djoker's FH is great, but it's a definite 3rd overall to Fedal, IMO. (Fed's 1st IMO, but I'm biased. :)) I appreciate the way Djokovic can pull guys out of court with his I/O FH though. Especially noteworthy when he plays Nadal, since we consider Nadal one of, if not the best defender ever. Djokovic doesn't really blast through Nadal. He often pulls Nadal wide on both sides and he's very careful about his net approaches which is something I often think Federer is pretty bad at when he plays Nadal, especially when Nadal was in his prime. Federer often approached too early on him specifically. It worked against everybody else, but against Nadal you have to be careful.

The way I See it for forehands: Federer 1. Nadal 1A. I think Fed edges Nadal but slightly. I would say his forehand is better but Nadal's is more effective on slower surfaces possibly. It's close.

Yup Djoko's is a clear 3rd to there's. What he has is a very balanced overall baseline game with return/serve excellent and good. But doesn't have the amazing all time forehand like Fedal. It is still excellent though.
 
Across all surfaces, Nadal had the better IOF. He had better footwork to create the opportunities to hit it as well. The shot is one of the hallmarks of his game. He hits it so often and to such potent effect, either as an attacking rally ball to take control of a point or a point ending shot (when he chooses) with incredible angle and ball speed.

On fast hardcourt, roddick's classic serve / IOF combo was amazingly effective. If not for the ATP's approach to slowing court speed, Roddick may have been more inclined to stick with an aggressive gameplan his whole career.
 

Heuristic

Hall of Fame
My cents. Nadal - most difficult forehand to face, Fed - the best universal shot-making forehand, Roddick - best inside out forehand.
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
I still think Courier had the best-ever inside out FH. Hit the lines with it and could use pace, offspeed or spin.
 
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