Peng Shuai: Speak Up Tennis Community

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TennisFan436

Semi-Pro
I hope she isn't in an internment camp, jailed or worse case scenario (dead) for speaking out.

This reminds me of the UAE and how women who tried to escape simply vanished into thin air, including Princess Latifa.
 

insideguy

G.O.A.T.
I hope she isn't in an internment camp, jailed or worse case scenario (dead) for speaking out.

This reminds me of the UAE and how women who tried to escape simply vanished into thin air, including Princess Latifa.
Well she is most likely one of those three. Either that or some type of home confinement.
 

Mustard

Bionic Poster
They haven't found this chick yet?...can't be that difficult!

Monica Seles (then world number 1) went missing for weeks in 1991, including during the whole of Wimbledon. Oddly, most of the hostility then was directed at Monica herself.
 

Soul

Semi-Pro
This morning I read a nice article on the disappearance of Peng in China after the tennis star accused a Chinese government official of sexual abuse

The Suspicious ‘Disappearance’ Of China’s Tennis Star Is Right Out Of The Chinese Communist Playbook

The Chinese Communist Party will do anything to protect its own at the expense of the Chinese people. It will never hesitate to eliminate any real or perceived threat.

 

insideguy

G.O.A.T.
This morning I read a nice article on the disappearance of Peng in China after the tennis star accused a Chinese government official of sexual abuse

The Suspicious ‘Disappearance’ Of China’s Tennis Star Is Right Out Of The Chinese Communist Playbook

The Chinese Communist Party will do anything to protect its own at the expense of the Chinese people. It will never hesitate to eliminate any real or perceived threat.

Its pretty pathetic that there are people on this board who think the WTA and ATP should just ignore this and get on with the tennis. I mean its sad.
 

insideguy

G.O.A.T.
If Peng is not found, both the WTA and the ATP should cancel all tournaments in China till an investigation completes and the guilty are punished.
I agree. I mean in reality what choice do they even have? Go there and play tennis? I mean how in the heck can you do that. People can point out hypocrisy with all this stuff. But in this case its literally one of the WTAs tennis players disappearing. Has the tennis world and heck everyone else looked the other way on a million other things with China and other countries of course they have. But this is literally a tennis player now.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
Monica Seles (then world number 1) went missing for weeks in 1991, including during the whole of Wimbledon. Oddly, most of the hostility then was directed at Monica herself.

Maybe the difference is that Monica didn't make any serious allegations against a powerful government official in an undemocratic dictatorship?
 

Mustard

Bionic Poster
Maybe the difference is that Monica didn't make any serious allegations against a powerful government official in an undemocratic dictatorship?

Seles pulled out of 1991 Wimbledon with a phone call, and then nothing was heard from her for about 4 weeks. Anything could have happened to her, yet most of the resentment seemed to be directed at Monica. One could even say the hostility she faced in the British press at 1992 Wimbledon over grunting was because of what happened the year before.

All the media frenzy about Peng is political.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
Seles pulled out of 1991 Wimbledon with a phone call, and then nothing was heard from her for about 4 weeks. Anything could have happened to her, yet most of the resentment seemed to be directed at Monica. One could even say the hostility she faced in the British press at 1992 Wimbledon over grunting was because of what happened the year before.

All the media frenzy about Peng is political.

So Serena Williams and a host of other tennis players are being "political" when they ask to know where Peng is and why no-one, other than a Chinese government source, has verified her whereabouts and well-being?

Peng could end this straightaway by making an appearance and allaying concerns about her welfare. Until she does so and all we get in the meantime are government statements and dubious emails, the concern will only grow and be entirely justified.
 

R. Schweikart

Professional
Seles pulled out of 1991 Wimbledon with a phone call, and then nothing was heard from her for about 4 weeks. Anything could have happened to her, yet most of the resentment seemed to be directed at Monica. One could even say the hostility she faced in the British press at 1992 Wimbledon over grunting was because of what happened the year before.

All the media frenzy about Peng is political.

Was the same with Western countries criticizing German population policy in Poland and Ukraine in the early 1940s.
 
I agree - but the rhetoric is often very broadly damning.
I'm not seeing that, please give some examples--I'm seeing grave concern for her mindbody safety--nothing anti the Chinese people--maybe you're overly sensitive if you are Chinese--this is the internet and anyone can write anything within reason. There are usually some posters who are anomalies, agent provocateurs, trolls or just plain weirdos--we call it freedom of speech and expression in the states--this is a private site and they have the right to moderate it.
 

Mustard

Bionic Poster
So Serena Williams and a host of other tennis players are being "political" when they ask to know where Peng is and why no-one, other than a Chinese government source, has verified her whereabouts and well-being?

Peng could end this straightaway by making an appearance and allaying concerns about her welfare. Until she does so and all we get in the meantime are government statements and dubious emails, the concern will only grow and be entirely justified.

The most likely scenario is that Peng Shuai was arrested for breaking Chinese law and is currently in prison or a safehouse. Other scenarios are possible.
 

insideguy

G.O.A.T.
Here is the reality. These people on this board who think she is in prison and well thats it. Lets get on with tennis will use any deflection or distraction and debate geo politics with other posters all day long. Talk about corporations or sins of other nations. The facts are she is missing. She is a tennis star. The gov won't say what is going on. The WTA and ATP are concerned. There is talk about retaliation. And there should be.
 

insideguy

G.O.A.T.
What law did she break?--talking?
The talk about her breaking a law could be true. But that isn't an explanation why the gov is not saying anything. I mean for gods sake even Russia when they arrest a high profile individual makes some crap up. I don't know Chinese law, but in this case she disappeared after making accusations. Some have said the public accusations are in itself a violation of Chinese law. That may be a fact. So then let China say it. She violated x law therefore she has been arrested. Sure there will be an outcry. But its not going to get better if they are like don't you worry about her she's ok. Lets play tennis.
 

Moose Malloy

G.O.A.T.
How about the UN getting involved--this seems like an international humanitarian concern that should fall under their original mandate when it was formed in 1948.

 

gdeangel

Rookie
I learned of this woman's situation from the coverage of ADV Podcasts on YT. They talk about it as though it may have had something to do with a play for leadership of the CCP, and that there is no way could her social media post have cleared the censure protocols unless it had been originated from or blessed by the CCP. That actually makes her situation worse, as it means she is possibly a pawn in a political hit job. Not that it means that the post was false, only that it was being used indifferently to her welfare.

I find it disturbing that the fake "I'm OK" statement was written and ostensibly coerced is that it was not made by video. If she was in any condition to appear unharmed, the state propaganda folks at the CCP would have included something like a selfie or a video. Sent to the gulag anonymously is probably the most likely answer. Would she be recognizable to the people there? No way. Just like the average American "tennis fan" could walk past any WTA player on the street, except maybe Serena, and not recognize them.

Not sure what can be done. A call from Uncle Joe to Mr. Jinping seems unlikely.
 

wangs78

Legend
I'm not seeing that, please give some examples--I'm seeing grave concern for her mindbody safety--nothing anti the Chinese people--maybe you're overly sensitive if you are Chinese--this is the internet and anyone can write anything within reason. There are usually some posters who are anomalies, agent provocateurs, trolls or just plain weirdos--we call it freedom of speech and expression in the states--this is a private site and they have the right to moderate it.
Just look at post #310 by Soul. He says he read a "nice" article about the "suspicious", "textbook disappearance" of Peng. Do you think one has to be Chinese to find this to be a highly inflammatory headline? We have no facts around Peng's multi-year relationship with this high ranking Politburo official, other than her Weibo post which reads more like an unrequited love letter than an accusation. But the press and its readership are already going to town that this was "sexual abuse" and that the CCP is covering it up with a kidnapping. The presumption of guilt and the inflammatory rhetoric is broadly damning, no? This bias is pervasive in the West. How exactly is an article that has that headline going to help Peng's "mindbody safety" as you put it? If anything, the high profile that the West has turned this into is going to make things worse for Peng, not better.
 

Visionary

Hall of Fame
...........Some have said the public accusations are in itself a violation of Chinese law. That may be a fact. So then let China say it. She violated x law therefore she has been arrested. Sure there will be an outcry. But its not going to get better if they are like don't you worry about her she's ok.
Saying what law Peng Shuai has broken may be considered as disclosing secrets of the government in China. Such a release of information may also cause a loss of face and open the door to further criticism from abroad. This ambiguity works well for the local powers. The "outcry" is the best form of fight at the moment. The WTA, ATP and ITF threats are the very best tools for some disclosure and perhaps move to let Peng Shuai free.
 

bluetrain4

G.O.A.T.
The story has gained traction in mainstream media. That may be apparent to most of you, so I'm probably late. I wasn't following the story except on TW, but sure enough in the last few days I heard about in on NPR while in the car and also saw it on some major news sites.
 
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Visionary

Hall of Fame
Just look at post #310 by Soul. He says he read a "nice" article about the "suspicious", "textbook disappearance" of Peng. Do you think one has to be Chinese to find this to be a highly inflammatory headline? We have no facts around Peng's multi-year relationship with this high ranking Politburo official, other than her Weibo post which reads more like an unrequited love letter than an accusation. But the press and its readership are already going to town that this was "sexual abuse" and that the CCP is covering it up with a kidnapping. The presumption of guilt and the inflammatory rhetoric is broadly damning, no? This bias is pervasive in the West. How exactly is an article that has that headline going to help Peng's "mindbody safety" as you put it? If anything, the high profile that the West has turned this into is going to make things worse for Peng, not better.
People disappear without a trace or prove of guilt in China and re-appear much later. Facts are mostly found when they are favorable for the powers. I don't see "highly inflammatory headline" or "rhetoric" but requests for a prove of life and investigation. I do hope you can see that too.
 

Tshooter

G.O.A.T.
The story has gained traction in mainstream media. That may be apparent to most of you, so I'm probably late. I wasn't following the story except of TW, but sure enough in the last few days I heard about in on NPR while in the car and also saw it on some major news sites.

It’s all over the media and growing. The UN weighed in today. China’s nothing to see here routine is the lead headline story at ESPN.com “top stories.”

A few clicks to ignore the obvious TTW China trolls and you are good to go at TTW.(y)


 
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gdeangel

Rookie
Could be. My point was the sexual assault didn't seem to be the main reason why she posted it
Did you see my post above? There were some remarks by "china experts" on youtube that this was a hit job that happened as part of a power struggle within the CCP. Chinese social media is so closely monitored that post with a government official's name would have never made it online in the first place.

BTW what appears to be going on here are a bunch of shills trying to get the thread locked. If they can't get a bit talking about Cuba and the "great vaccine rates" they will have a go at Germany in the 1940s. Let's just say that it's easy to spot the shills, so ignore them. I am usually a big advocate for Asian awareness and perspective on these boards and others, but the fact is I'm not sympathetic when a mob of students is out demonstrating for "democratic reform" if they are dispersed violently - it's not great but it's how authoritarian regimes stay in power - but it's just nuts to say that one woman claiming she was ***** years ago by a retired government official can destabilize a country in a way that she is a threat to state security. People don't have to believe her. In most of the world, the civilized rule is presumption of innocence. There will be people abroad who also recognize that this statement might not be credible given it's timing and it's circumstances in terms of how it skirted the censures and auto-filters. I'm also sure the CCP could produce a Hillary-stands-by-Bill moment without having to torture Monica into recanting.
 
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wangs78

Legend
A few clicks to ignore the obvious TTW China trolls and you are good to go at TTW.(y)
You see how ironic this is? The supposedly pro-freedom of speech and anti-censorship people (InsideGuy was the other) are the ones advocating censoring the people who disagree with them. Making their detractors "disappear" from this thread.

We need to be mindful that some of the people who claim to support freedom don't really care about other people's views at all. It's easy to call someone a troll. Much harder to actually put together a line of reasoning to defend a certain a point of view.
 

TimHenmanATG

Hall of Fame
You forgot to mention that Peng was his mistress for three years, and that the big wig, his wife and the mistress all knew of the relationship and socialised together despite this highly unusual and volatile situation.

You're just insidiously victim-blaming here.

Even if the relationship were "consensual" - which is a highly dubious premise, considering the massive power imbalance between the two - her allegations pertain to a sexual assault within that relationship.

You need to take your blinkers off.
 

DCNJ

Rookie
You see how ironic this is? The supposedly pro-freedom of speech and anti-censorship people (InsideGuy was the other) are the ones advocating censoring the people who disagree with them. Making their detractors "disappear" from this thread.

We need to be mindful that some of the people who claim to support freedom don't really care about other people's views at all. It's easy to call someone a troll. Much harder to actually put together a line of reasoning to defend a certain a point of view.
Freedom of speech doesn't mean I need to listen to you.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
The most likely scenario is that Peng Shuai was arrested for breaking Chinese law and is currently in prison or a safehouse. Other scenarios are possible.

Well, publicly accusing a senior Chinese official of sexual impropriety would no doubt be an offence as far as the Chinese government is concerned whether the accusation was justified or not. So Peng could indeed be in prison or secreted away somewhere else. All of which would in no way lessen the suspicions and concerns of the outside world for Peng's welfare.
 

Terenigma

G.O.A.T.
I think people are being far too hopeful for something to happen with this story. For me she's in jail or worse but nothing is going to come of it. Removing the events there isn't going to do anything (Although they should deff still do it) and I'm absolutely convinced they are intending to ride out the wave until people forget about this story and move on. The scary thing is that noone has the power to really punish them, they have their own rules and complete control so even if she is found safe, her claims won't be invesigated and it will all be swept under the rug. The only hope we have is she is staying hidden for her OWN protection and that they don't have her but i think even that is wishful thinking.
 

insideguy

G.O.A.T.
I think people are being far too hopeful for something to happen with this story. For me she's in jail or worse but nothing is going to come of it. Removing the events there isn't going to do anything (Although they should deff still do it) and I'm absolutely convinced they are intending to ride out the wave until people forget about this story and move on. The scary thing is that noone has the power to really punish them, they have their own rules and complete control so even if she is found safe, her claims won't be invesigated and it will all be swept under the rug. The only hope we have is she is staying hidden for her OWN protection and that they don't have her but i think even that is wishful thinking.
I am not hopeful. But the WTA and the ATP should do what they can. Thats all anyone can ask.
 

Frenchy-Player

Hall of Fame
After the email, the pictures...:rolleyes:


Peng Shuai: Mystery deepens over missing Chinese tennis player after 'new photos' emerge | World News | Sky News

The authenticity of the photos posted online by a journalist working for CGTN, the international arm of government-controlled state broadcaster CCTV, is being questioned by experts.

Experts have expressed scepticism and questioned the authenticity of the images.
Others also pointed to the presence in one of the photos of a framed picture featuring Winnie the Pooh - a character banned in China after people mockingly likened him to President Xi Jinping.
 
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DRII

G.O.A.T.
Well, publicly accusing a senior Chinese official of sexual impropriety would no doubt be an offence as far as the Chinese government is concerned whether the accusation was justified or not. So Peng could indeed be in prison or secreted away somewhere else. All of which would in no way lessen the suspicions and concerns of the outside world for Peng's welfare.
That's all you have to say?
 

TimHenmanATG

Hall of Fame
It's nice to see so many people in the tennis community strongly supporting Shuai.

It's nothing short of outrageous.

It also makes you wonder just how many poor sods in China may have "disappeared", whose absence wouldn't have been noted outside their borders.
 
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