Players met and beat in Slam finals and semifinals

[Lew II]

PLAYERS MET IN SLAM FINALS

Federer: Philippoussis, Safin, Roddick, Hewitt, Roddick, Agassi, Baghdatis, Nadal, Nadal, Roddick, Gonzalez, Nadal, Nadal, Djokovic, Nadal, Nadal, Murray, Nadal, Soderling, Roddick, Del Potro, Murray, Nadal, Murray, Djokovic, Djokovic, Djokovic, Nadal, Cilic, Cilic (average slam finals reached: 13.3)

Nadal: Puerta, Federer, Federer, Federer, Federer, Federer, Federer, Federer, Soderling, Berdych, Djokovic, Federer, Djokovic, Djokovic, Djokovic, Djokovic, Ferrer, Djokovic, Wawrinka, Djokovic, Federer, Wawrinka, Anderson, Thiem (18.6)

Djokovic: Federer, Tsonga, Nadal, Murray, Nadal, Nadal, Nadal, Nadal, Murray, Murray, Murray, Nadal, Nadal, Federer, Murray, Wawrinka, Federer, Federer, Murray, Murray, Wawrinka, Anderson, Del Potro (16.4)

PLAYERS MET IN SLAM SEMIFINALS

Federer: Roddick, Ferrero, Grosjean, Henman, Safin, Nadal, Hewitt, Hewitt, Kiefer, Nalbandian, Bjorkman, Davydenko, Roddick, Davydenko, Gasquet, Davydenko, Djokovic, Monfils, Safin, Djokovic, Roddick, Del Potro, Haas, Djokovic, Tsonga, Djokovic, Djokovic, Djokovic, Djokovic, Nadal, Djokovic, Djokovic, Murray, Nadal, Raonic, Cilic, Murray, Wawrinka, Djokovic, Raonic, Wawrinka, Berdych, Chung (8.7)

Nadal: Federer, Ljubicic, Baghdatis, Djokovic, Djokovic, Tsonga, Djokovic, Schuettler, Murray, Verdasco, Del Potro, Melzer, Murray, Youzhny, Murray, Murray, Murray, Federer, Ferrer, Djokovic, Gasquet, Federer, Murray, Dimitrov, Thiem, Del Potro, Del Potro, Djokovic, Del Potro (9.8)

Djokovic: Nadal, Nadal, Ferrer, Federer, Nadal, Federer, Federer, Berdych, Federer, Federer, Federer, Tsonga, Federer, Murray, Federer, Federer, Ferrer, Ferrer, Nadal, Del Potro, Wawrinka, Gulbis, Dimitrov, Nishikori, Wawrinka, Murray, Gasquet, Cilic, Federer, Thiem, Monfils, Nadal, Nishikori (14)

PLAYERS BEAT IN SLAM FINALS

Federer: Philippoussis, Safin, Roddick, Hewitt, Roddick, Agassi, Baghdatis, Nadal, Roddick, Gonzalez, Nadal, Djokovic, Murray, Soderling, Roddick, Murray, Murray, Nadal, Cilic, Cilic (9.1)

Nadal: Puerta, Federer, Federer, Federer, Federer, Federer, Soderling, Berdych, Djokovic, Federer, Djokovic, Ferrer, Djokovic, Djokovic, Wawrinka, Anderson, Thiem (16.7)

Djokovic: Tsonga, Murray, Nadal, Nadal, Nadal, Murray, Federer, Murray, Federer, Federer, Murray, Murray, Anderson, Del Potro (15.9)

Players BEAT IN SLAM SEMIFINALS

Federer: Roddick, Ferrero, Grosjean, Henman, Hewitt, Hewitt, Kiefer, Nalbandian, Bjorkman, Davydenko, Roddick, Davydenko, Gasquet, Davydenko, Monfils, Safin, Djokovic, Roddick, Del Potro, Haas, Djokovic, Tsonga, Djokovic, Djokovic, Raonic, Murray, Wawrinka, Wawrinka, Berdych, Chung (4.9)

Nadal: Federer, Ljubicic, Baghdatis, Djokovic, Djokovic, Djokovic, Schuettler, Verdasco, Melzer, Murray, Youzhny, Murray, Murray, Murray, Federer, Ferrer, Djokovic, Gasquet, Federer, Murray, Dimitrov, Thiem, Del Potro, Del Potro (10.2)

Djokovic: Ferrer, Federer, Federer, Federer, Tsonga, Federer, Murray, Federer, Ferrer, Ferrer, Del Potro, Wawrinka, Gulbis, Dimitrov, Wawrinka, Murray, Gasquet, Cilic, Federer, Thiem, Monfils, Nadal, Nishikori (10.65)

 

[tennisaddict]

We know, Fed could not meet himself ...yet again.

 

[Lew II]

We know, Fed could not meet himself ...yet again.

Neither did Nadal and Djokovic.

 

[tennisaddict]

Neither did Nadal and Djokovic.

Fed was at the top much more than them. Look up Fed's week at top 2, top 3 and top 4. It is not even a comparison.

 

[Lew II]

Fed was at the top much more than them. Look up Fed's week at top 2, top 3 and top 4. It is not even a comparison.

That huge difference depends on having Roddick, Hewitt, Baghdatis, Gonzalez, etc. as opponents, you can see the opponents listed there.

 

[ak24alive]

Fedr

 

[Lew II]

Average slam finals reached by players met in finals and semifinals:

Federer 11
Nadal 14.2
Djokovic 15.2

Average slam finals reached by players beat in finals and semifinals:

Federer 7
Nadal 13.4
Djokovic 13.3

 

[tennisaddict]

That huge difference depends on having Roddick, Hewitt, Baghdatis, Gonzalez, etc. as opponents, you can see the opponents listed there.

Is this the same Roddick who Djokovic has a losing h2h ?

 

[Lew II]

Average slam finals reached by players beat in finals and semifinals:

Federer 7
Nadal 13.4
Djokovic 13.3

Why Fed is not the GOAT.

 

[Lew II]

Is this the same Roddick who Djokovic has a losing h2h ?

Yes, the one who beat less top-10 than Gasquet in Grand Slams.

 

[True Fanerer]

 

[IowaGuy]

This analysis makes no sense.

By your logic, Evert and Navratilova (who faced each other almost exclusively for many years, 61 tournament finals meetings) would be stronger than Graf or Serena...

 

[KINGROGER]

This stat doesn’t prove anything. For example the Federer Nadal beat at 08 Wimbledon and lost to the previous years is wayyyyy better than 2014-2016 version who had more slam finals.

 

[tennisaddict]

Yes, the one who beat less top-10 than Gasquet in Grand Slams.

So Djokovic has losing h2h to players who don't even have as many top 10 wins as Gasquet ?

 

[Lew II]

So Djokovic has losing h2h to players who don't even have as many top 10 wins as Gasquet ?

Federer has a losing h2h against twice more players than Djokovic: 24 to 12.

Djokovic has a positive record against anyone he met 10 times or more, Federer has 2 negative h2h.

 

[TheMaestro1990]

I wonder who hates Federer more: Lew or 90’s Clay?

 

[Deleted member 77403]

I have to say these stats make no sense.

 

[tennisaddict]

Federer has a losing h2h against twice more players than Djokovic: 24 to 12.

Djokovic has a positive record against anyone he met 10 times or more, Federer has 2 negative h2h.

Why 10 times or more ? He could not even have a good h2h against weak era Roddick ?

 

[abmk]

Federer has a losing h2h against twice more players than Djokovic: 24 to 12.

Djokovic has a positive record against anyone he met 10 times or more, Federer has 2 negative h2h.

Are you picking it up from here ?

https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/big-four-and-their-losing-h2h-records.550652/

Federer evened up his h2h vs Thiem at the YEC in 2018
He evened up his h2h vs Delbonis in IW 18
He leads Kyrgios 3-1 in the h2h

Got 1 losing h2h - vs Kokkinakis this year.

So that'd make it 22, not 24

Expect a flurry of more losing h2hs for Djokovic as he gets older.

Zverev for one is a pretty likely candidate.
Khachanov can be another.

Edit : from ultimatestatistics, its 23 for Fed. Not sure which one is changed/missing.

 

[Fedeonic]

PLAYERS MET IN SLAM SEMIFINALS

Federer: Roddick, Ferrero, Grosjean, Henman, Safin, Nadal, Hewitt, Hewitt, Kiefer, Nalbandian, Bjorkman, Davydenko, Roddick, Davydenko, Gasquet, Davydenko, Djokovic, Monfils, Safin, Djokovic, Roddick, Del Potro, Haas, Djokovic, Tsonga, Djokovic, Djokovic, Djokovic, Djokovic, Nadal, Djokovic, Djokovic, Murray, Nadal, Raonic, Cilic, Murray, Wawrinka, Djokovic, Raonic, Wawrinka, Berdych, Chung (8.7)

Nadal: Federer, Ljubicic, Baghdatis, Djokovic, Djokovic, Tsonga, Djokovic, Schuettler, Murray, Verdasco, Del Potro, Melzer, Murray, Youzhny, Murray, Murray, Murray, Federer, Ferrer, Djokovic, Gasquet, Federer, Murray, Dimitrov, Thiem, Del Potro, Del Potro, Djokovic, Del Potro (9.8)

Djokovic: Nadal, Nadal, Ferrer, Federer, Nadal, Federer, Federer, Berdych, Federer, Federer, Federer, Tsonga, Federer, Murray, Federer, Federer, Ferrer, Ferrer, Nadal, Del Potro, Wawrinka, Gulbis, Dimitrov, Nishikori, Wawrinka, Murray, Gasquet, Cilic, Federer, Thiem, Monfils, Nadal, Nishikori (14)

This part is idiotic as you're comparing GS semifinalist, and you're putting the "average of GS finals reached" which clearly shows your bias.
We can debate openly on this, I'm willing to do it, but at least be neutral with your stats.

 

[Lew II]

This part is idiotic as you're comparing GS semifinalist, and you're putting the "average of GS finals reached" which clearly shows your bias.
We can debate openly on this, I'm willing to do it, but at least be neutral with your stats.

I think the number of slam finals reached is a good criteria to determine the level of a player regardless of the competition, since usually you meet big champions only in the final.

 

[fundrazer]

I have to say these stats make no sense.

Makes about as much sense as a Wookie living on Endor.

Might as well put him on ignore, I did a few weeks ago.

 

[Fedeonic]

I think the number of slam finals reached is a good criteria to determine the level of a player regardless of the competition, since usually you meet big champions only in the final.

It's a good criteria when we are talking about, well, Grand Slam finals.
When you talk about GS semis, you should consider that the key criteria will be GS semifinals reached, not GS finals reached.

 

[Lew II]

It's a good criteria when we are talking about, well, Grand Slam finals.
When you talk about GS semis, you should consider that the key criteria will be GS semifinals reached, not GS finals reached.

I think it is a good criteria for both.