practice match vid -- NTRP3.0

[tonygao]

hi guys,

had a little practice match with a friend this morning. from the long and boring video, I found a few points worthy to look at.

pls have a look at these points. our self-rating is about 3.0+. I know many will disagree, but in China, people normally think this level is around 3.0.

anyway, let me know what you think, besides rating, more importantly is what areas of my game need improvement most urgently.

thanks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knEcQFX6h3I

 

[GuyClinch]

I'd put you at a 3.5. Though the guy in white's serve kinda stinks.. I think you should learn a kicker - and work on a better topspin backhand - its more of a slap then a real spinner, IMHO.

 

[Roy125]

I'd actually put you at a 4.0 level. Your strokes aren't pretty, but they are effective.

 

[tonygao]

I'd actually put you at a 4.0 level. Your strokes aren't pretty, but they are effective.

sadly, I'd really like the other way around, pretty strokes, effective or not, I don't really care:shock:

 

[Timbo's hopeless slice]

that damn smash.. You hit them so well in your practice vid!!!!

 

[dr325i]

I would not say it is 4.0, footwork, consistency, depth...
However, most certainly above 3.0. I'd say a solid 3.5, approaching higher

 

[Up&comer]

You are probably more of a 4.0.

It's tough to say when we only see a few of the best points you could find. You might be able to play like the an entire match, or maybe those were the only good points you had.

 

[Maui19]

That kind of variety and consistency? That's a 4.0 in my neck of the woods. If a 3.5 shows that kind of game, it means they're about to get bumped up.

 

[ordinarymangoe3]

I'd actually put you at a 4.0 level. Your strokes aren't pretty, but they are effective.

this guy doesnt know a thing about tennis. your strokes are good looking, especially your on- hander..

 

[Bacterio]

I'm just going to assume the OP is being serious for my sanity's sake.

But for the record, I hate threads like these worse than the over raters. At least the over raters are just ignorant about their skill level and think they are slightly higher because they don't realize how much the videos they watch online slow down play.

The, "well this is me and my lowly 2.5 game" when they probably know their actual skill level are annoying.

 

[tonygao]

that damn smash.. You hit them so well in your practice vid!!!!

man, you can see how painful I was after dumping that one into net......

I was literally talking to myself while approaching that ball:" it's show time!",then

 

[samarai]

Definitely a 3.5 approaching 4.0. Good serve, forehand, backhand.

 

[shazbot]

You do realize 3.0's are REALLY bad, right? If your goal was to get everyone in this thread to tell you are a lot better than a 3.0 and boost your ego, I guess you accomplished that.

 

[arche3]

looks about a 3.25.

 

[BobFL]

This is easy 4.0. At least. Are we forgetting how BAD 3-3.5 look on video? For non believers, go to youtube and watch a few 3-3.5 videos. It hurts how bad it is. This is fluid and nice. Rule of thumb is: if you look good on video than you are at least 4.0

 

[GuyClinch]

Well sure most self raters with that kind of game will rate themselves a 4.0. But they will play in 3.5 leagues here in the states IMHO.

 

[tennismonkey]

OP is obviously messing with us or being overly humble. he knows exactly what his rating is. this guy is at least a 4.0 and possibly a 4.5 player. probably said he's 3.0 because that's what most people on the forums would rate him.

anyone who rated him 3.5 or lower has probably never seen himself on video or have never played USTA leagues before.

 

[HunterST]

6.0 minimum

 

[10sEmporer]

whats up Hunter

 

[kishnabe]

I love the slice backhand..very fluid!

 

[escii_35]

Not 3.0. I'd call it a lightly sandbagging 3.5. Honestly, your game could easily jump to solid 4.0.

Work on the transition shots and footwork. With your athleticism level they should be better.

 

[beernutz]

3.0? OMG, you cannot be serious.

4.0 is a much better guess.

 

[LeeD]

While for sure you AND the other guy would be competitive in most 3.5 tourneys, it's a huge stretch to say you can play close in any real 4.0 tourney that I"ve seen.
You have plenty good enough strokes, your bud has good "hit the backhand side strategy", and both of you can move and cover court, but to say you're 4.0 is an insult to those of us who are decending from higher levels thru 4.0 and now heading downwards.
Just too many basic mistakes and out of balanced movement.
OTOH, you are looking great, and with lighter feet, will for sure move up a couple notches when the correct time is near.

 

[BobFL]

While for sure you AND the other guy would be competitive in most 3.5 tourneys, it's a huge stretch to say you can play close in any real 4.0 tourney that I"ve seen.
You have plenty good enough strokes, your bud has good "hit the backhand side strategy", and both of you can move and cover court, but to say you're 4.0 is an insult to those of us who are decending from higher levels thru 4.0 and now heading downwards.
Just too many basic mistakes and out of balanced movement.
OTOH, you are looking great, and with lighter feet, will for sure move up a couple notches when the correct time is near.

Are you saying that you are 4.0? And the video is insult to you? Are you serious?

 

[maggmaster]

He is in China, it is possible the ratings are different.

 

[LeeD]

BobFL....
If you really read my posts, you'll see that in the last 2 months, I've considered myself descended to strong 3.5 in singles, while staying middling4.0 in doubles.
It would be a pretty serious stretch to say a guy who went 4 rounds in two different Q's in the late '70's to have dropped too much farther, lame or not.
Last week, I actually played doubles against and with a local top 3 singles 3.5 guy who had a winning record the last two years. He was by far the worst of the foursome, while I was definetely the top. Yes, he said he was a singles specialist, but geez, with no serve and nothing but hustle, he was hard put to win ONE point out of every 5 that he participated in.
3.5 is a really BAD level of play, about playground level good, something that you could be and rely on pickup tennis to have fun.
4.0 is black book appointment level, where nobody in any playground can be nearly competitive, and there is no such thing as regular pickup tennis availible.
That includes junior colleges and universities. At UC Berkeley, there are several regular 5.5's, but they don't play anyone they don't know. Yes, I've played doubles with guys on the JV team.

 

[Photoshop]

LeeD, you're acting like a little child again with your silly stories How is it a "huge stretch" to call a 3.5 player 4.0? You say he'd be competitive in 3.5 tournaments, but he wouldn't at all come close in 4.0 tournaments?

Tony, you've posted several videos here and the general consensus is that you're a 4.0. Stop being overly humble and just accept that you're better than you think you are. No 3.0s can hit a 2nd serve like you. or overheads. or backhand slices. And most certainly no 3.0s are as consistent as you.

Also NTRP is a USTA rating and you're posting on a US tennis forum. People in China may think you're a 3.0, but we think you're a 4.0. Next time you post a video please title it "practice match vid -- NTRP 4.0."

 

[Timbo's hopeless slice]

It is also worth pointing out that only the USA even uses NTRP, most everyone else has either switched to the ITN system or uses a national system of their own so it is pretty meaningless outside the states...

Oh, Tony? I think I would be comfortable grading you as a 5.5..................................... in ITN!!!!

(that's about a 4.0 more or less for you US folk)

here is a chart http://www.itftennis.com/shared/medialibrary/pdf/original/IO_43630_original.PDF

 

[gregor.b]

It is also worth pointing out that only the USA even uses NTRP, most everyone else has either switched to the ITN system or uses a national system of their own so it is pretty meaningless outside the states...

Oh, Tony? I think I would be comfortable grading you as a 5.5..................................... in ITN!!!!

(that's about a 4.0 more or less for you US folk)

here is a chart http://www.itftennis.com/shared/medialibrary/pdf/original/IO_43630_original.PDF

That is a handy crossover chart-now I know what level I actually am-cheers mate.

 

[tonygao]

thanks Photoshop , Timbo and others. I have to admit that I intentionally added "NTRP3.0" to the title to catch more eye-balls. please forgive me. my last training vid got very little feedback, so I thought to myself, I need some big words here. and what's bigger than a self-rating that is always most debatable in all tennis forums. so that's my little trick.
to be very honest and serious, in China people think my level is 3.0+, not 3.5, let alone 4.0. this may be because different understanding of the NTRP standards or other cultural reasons, but it's the fact. and I know the same player will be rated at least 0.5 higher in any US forum.

anyway, seems my trick works just fine, I got so many guys talking in my post, hahaha.

actually I don't really care how people think my level is, i just want to improve my game continuously, and be able to beat more and more people who beat me in the past.

again, thanks for all the advice on how to improve my game. let's just let go of the rating debate.

 

[Timbo's hopeless slice]

That is a handy crossover chart-now I know what level I actually am-cheers mate.

No worries, we did a heap of ITN on court stuff when I did my level 2 qualie with TA last year so I went looking for a chart 'cos I had no idea what my ITN 3 level meant in NTRP terms...

 

[gregor.b]

No worries, we did a heap of ITN on court stuff when I did my level 2 qualie with TA last year so I went looking for a chart 'cos I had no idea what my ITN 3 level meant in NTRP terms...

So I played at a Uni event (closed) in Brisbane and won in an 'open' (itn 4 and up) so it that likely to make me a good 4 or a bone fide 3? More curious than anything.Also,I am 42 but still beating some of the younger kids (18 and up) so I don't know if that makes a difference. I haven't yet gone to the trouble of getting an ITN grading if one exists.

 

[Timbo's hopeless slice]

mate, i am 44, win a few at Open level and call myself a '3' with confidence, I suggest you do too...

 

[gregor.b]

mate, i am 44, win a few at Open level and call myself a '3' with confidence, I suggest you do too...

Fair enough.Thanks again. Do you play in Australia and ,if so,are you going to Perth in January for the Seniors Worlds ITF ?

 

[Timbo's hopeless slice]

Yes, and no, although I was thinking about it but I committed to taking the family to the AO and I can't really justify both...

Was that the tournament at St Lucia? Nice courts down there...

 

[gregor.b]

Yes, and no, although I was thinking about it but I committed to taking the family to the AO and I can't really justify both...

Was that the tournament at St Lucia? Nice courts down there...

Yes it was,(2 or 3 years ago,but in the open section of the club tourney not the Uni open.I am definitely not good enough to compete with those guys) and yes they are now that they have been resurfaced after the floods.I know what you mean about the justification thing.The overlap is poor planning on the ITF's behalf I think.

 

[beernutz]

LeeD, you're acting like a little child again with your silly stories How is it a "huge stretch" to call a 3.5 player 4.0? You say he'd be competitive in 3.5 tournaments, but he wouldn't at all come close in 4.0 tournaments?

Tony, you've posted several videos here and the general consensus is that you're a 4.0. Stop being overly humble and just accept that you're better than you think you are. No 3.0s can hit a 2nd serve like you. or overheads. or backhand slices. And most certainly no 3.0s are as consistent as you.

Also NTRP is a USTA rating and you're posting on a US tennis forum. People in China may think you're a 3.0, but we think you're a 4.0. Next time you post a video please title it "practice match vid -- NTRP 4.0."

[golf clap]

If it were possible to agree with everything you wrote more than 100% I would.

 

[LeeD]

While you're free to disagree with me, and other's who say Tony is a US 3.5, you only make it seem that I"m a better player than I thought I was, so no knock on me.
Thank you.

 

[tennismonkey]

we've seen tony's "3.0" video. do we get a LeeD "falling 3.5 / 4.0" video?

 

[6-2/6-4/6-0]

I'd put you at a solid 3.5.

Nice OHB, especially when you come over it. Great to see.

The thing I would suggest working on - it's the same thing I need to do - is taking the ball on the rise better. Step in on the deep, soft balls and get them just off the bounce rather than running back 3 meters to get behind them as they are on a downward arc after the bounce.