Prince textreme 100P (2015) vs Prince textreme 100P (2019)
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CosmosMpower
Hall of Fame
About 100 bucks
30 bucks
3loudboys
G.O.A.T.
Higher RA on the 2019 model and the addition of Twaron.
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RA went from 62 to 65, right? Is that even discernible? Hey TW people who moderate these threads - what’s the upside on the 2019 tt100p from the 2015 model? Also, will the 2015 model parts (bumper/grommets) fit the new 2019 model?
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I think it's fair to say most of the posts indicated disappointment seeing RA 65 vs 62 (including myself). I'd be curious to hear TW people take on this as well.
Not true. There are both TT100P and TT100 (310) in 2019.
1) string pattern: 16x18 in 100 and 18x20 in 100P
2) RA (very close): 65 in 100 and 66 in 100P
I'd be very curious to hear your thoughts once you get your racquet. Let us know! I am contemplating buying one as well.. i'll probably demo first.
grhcan99
Semi-Pro
From what I've gathered, increased stiffness from 62 to 66 to improve power. Twaron allowed better absorption of shock due to increased stiffness.
jonestim
Hall of Fame
Old version vibration frequency was 139, which is pretty buttery. New is 150 - which seems to be at the limit for my elbow.
http://twu.tennis-warehouse.com/cgi-bin/vibfrequency.cgi
http://twu.tennis-warehouse.com/cgi-bin/vibfrequency.cgi
WestboroChe
Hall of Fame
For most experienced players a difference of 3 points is definitely noticeable.
markwillplay
Hall of Fame
I am interested in this as well.
I demoed all 3 princes. Hit about 200 balls each off a ball machine. I keep saying this but the 2019 TT is awesome, it’s a lot like the 2015 blade. Nothing will be a blade but this comes close. It was putting the ball where I aimed it every time. I knew where the ball was going as it left the racquet. I tend to get some arm pain with poly, it’s not tennis elbow. It’s more of the triceps connection area of my elbow, I get the same pain when I play hockey. Anyways fun, poly bed on the TT and it was great. The sound is not so much. I like the pop sound on my ‘14 PS with a gut hybrid but my main stick is the TT now.
markwillplay
Hall of Fame
Tt310 or tt100p?
100p. No plans on another 16x19 the 100p is a pretty open 18x20 as is
lefty10spro
Semi-Pro
The 2019s do not feel stiffer, but if you have old joints please beware. The numbers do not lie. My 4.0 friend in his 60s developed GE after a couple of months with his TT100P(2019) and I did as well (59 and 4.5). It can creep up on you. My friend is not ditching his 2019, but I am back with the 2015 - better stock up since they will soon be gone. Younger players will be most likely be fine health-wise and will prefer the new models. The main difference between the TT310 and TT100P is launch angle - lower with the 18x20 of course.
markwillplay
Hall of Fame
hmmmm. I would be coming from the tour 100 ports. I played the tt100p for a while and liked it. I ended up se snlling them and going with my tours all the way ag ain. I do have a sensitive elbow so I think you just answered my question. I am demoing the 310 and yonex vcore 310 for kicks. If nothng blows me away I wlll probably remain wth the tours or even go back to the tt1009P 2015 in 1/2 grip. No more 3/8 for me. I have sleeves on my tours and will not go back. Thanks for the help.
Wouldn't a larger grip be worse for your elbow?
markwillplay
Hall of Fame
Absolutely not. If anything it would be better. My elbow is not suffering, I just don’t want 3/8 grip anymore. I always add a half sleeve or use shockshield grips which are thick. I used to use 1/2 and I would rather have the 1/2, use my fav thin overgrip and feel bevels more.
Could you tell a big difference in how the 2015 and 2019 100p played? I’m between weak 4.0 and strong 3.5 (moved up and down depending on season and fitness). I have a 2015 and they are NLA in my grip and wondered if I could get a 2019 and they would play the same
markwillplay
Hall of Fame
what is your grip size?
max
Legend
I'll be able in a week or so to tell you the difference between the Prince Textreme Tour 100P v.2015 and the Prince Textreme Tour 310.
I just ordered the 310 and have the 2015 Tour.
I ordered the 310 because I wanted a larger grip size and wanted to explore a more open pattern. All I can say about the 100P.2015 is that it's got enormous backhand slice; a new and useful tool for me. Good at serves, and feels great. I'm used to a 16 x 19 pattern, so I'd like more spin with the serve and a higher launch angle and hope the 310 has some answers here.
I just ordered the 310 and have the 2015 Tour.
I ordered the 310 because I wanted a larger grip size and wanted to explore a more open pattern. All I can say about the 100P.2015 is that it's got enormous backhand slice; a new and useful tool for me. Good at serves, and feels great. I'm used to a 16 x 19 pattern, so I'd like more spin with the serve and a higher launch angle and hope the 310 has some answers here.
2019 is more stable... some think better feel some think worst.. to me twaron is great and better feel... 2019 also tad more power...
lefty10spro
Semi-Pro
Not the same but pretty darn close. Except for me, all the 2015 users at my club have switched to the 2019 version and they are loving the crisper feel with a slight power boost.
max
Legend
I'm still waiting for the 310.
Yeah, here, not so much into "crispy." The word reminds me too much of the Wilson Pro Staff 6.1 and its crispy-loving fans. It's another word for "stiff."
Me. . . buttery. Love buttery frames. And frames that bend a bit in the tip. . . I like this because it gives me control since that's what I'm used to.
Yeah, here, not so much into "crispy." The word reminds me too much of the Wilson Pro Staff 6.1 and its crispy-loving fans. It's another word for "stiff."
Me. . . buttery. Love buttery frames. And frames that bend a bit in the tip. . . I like this because it gives me control since that's what I'm used to.
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jmacdaununder2
Legend
'...all the 2015 users'; I'm now imagining your club is like some sort of tennis equivalent of the Galapagos Islands, one of the few remaining places in the world outside of Japan where Prince users not just subsist, but flourish in significant numbers - I must make a pilgrimage; it will be like the Cash/Rafter days all over again...
lefty10spro
Semi-Pro
'...all the 2015 users'; I'm now imagining your club is like some sort of tennis equivalent of the Galapagos Islands, one of the few remaining places in the world outside of Japan where Prince users not just subsist, but flourish in significant numbers - I must make a pilgrimage; it will be like the Cash/Rafter days all over again...
It is a strange Prince oasis here because I value the arm health of my juniors and adults. I would have probably made more $ in the shop if I sold Babolat, but an injured player can't take lessons!
jmacdaununder2
Legend
Sounds like my kinda club!! Don't suppose you're anywhere near Chicago? I'm hoping to visit the relos next year lol
If I recall, shops can retail Prince racquets if they sign with TW. TW is the sole distributor for Prince in the US (or is it North America?), I think.
Grip size 3/8
I just found a deal on a 2019 TT100P to go with my TT100P limited. Hopefully they’ll play close enough to the same. I think for the price I’m in them for, it’s worth it.
We all know specs can be off for weight, balance, etc. how accurate are flex ratings? Is there a variance with same models?
We all know specs can be off for weight, balance, etc. how accurate are flex ratings? Is there a variance with same models?
I have both the
2019 prince tour 100p
and the
2015 prince tour 100p
The 2015 version:
- more connection with the ball
- much better sense of where you aim and strike while hitting the ball
- more feel and feedback of what you do
The 2019 version
- Stiffer, harder frame
- slightly more power, but in my opinion maybe unnecessary to mention since it’s little
- close to 2015 in terms of playability (easy switch, same experience in terms of how it feels while holding it, swinging, same response. But, just less connected .
If you are a feel/touch player who want to use the racket as very accurate extension of what you exactly plan to do and who wants connect and experience the ball contact, I would definitely recommend the 2015.
2019 prince tour 100p
and the
2015 prince tour 100p
The 2015 version:
- more connection with the ball
- much better sense of where you aim and strike while hitting the ball
- more feel and feedback of what you do
The 2019 version
- Stiffer, harder frame
- slightly more power, but in my opinion maybe unnecessary to mention since it’s little
- close to 2015 in terms of playability (easy switch, same experience in terms of how it feels while holding it, swinging, same response. But, just less connected .
If you are a feel/touch player who want to use the racket as very accurate extension of what you exactly plan to do and who wants connect and experience the ball contact, I would definitely recommend the 2015.
@gonzo666 - At a high level, the most obvious difference to most anyone who would compare the 100 and 100P inside a single hitting session would be the typical difference between a 16x18 and 18x20 with all else held equal: the 18x20 will give you noticeably less trampoline, more uniform response over a larger percentage of face area and a naturally lower launch angle. As for how much of any of the three, that really depends on your swing mechanics. For a flatter hitter like myself (eastern-bordering-on-southwestern forehand; eastern one-handed backhand), the 100P is about 10-15% lower-powered, about 25-30% more controlled and a few degrees lower launch angle on average. For someone hitting with more swipe, I could see the 100P exhibiting a larger loss of power, more equal to and/or perhaps slightly more than any amount of control gained, but launch angle difference might be minimized. Long story short, which one you pick really depends on your play style and your swing mechanics, and if you're even close to wavering on your choice, then I definitely think you should buy a 100P and see for yourself.
As for the 2015 vs 2019 debate, I do largely agree with @vincebox, however I personally prefer the more stiff, solid feel of the 2019, as it gives the frame a more unique place in the overall arsenal of what's out there: a more Pure Drive -like rebound response, yet the same level of control and composure from the string bed (especially in the 100P). The 2019 is just a unicorn in that sense. There's really nothing else out there like it, especially the 100P.
Micro-debates aside, one thing is for certain: the Tour is unequivocally Prince's best silo for most players, with the Warrior a close second. (Sorry Phantom and/or novelty silo fans; it just is what it is).
As for the 2015 vs 2019 debate, I do largely agree with @vincebox, however I personally prefer the more stiff, solid feel of the 2019, as it gives the frame a more unique place in the overall arsenal of what's out there: a more Pure Drive -like rebound response, yet the same level of control and composure from the string bed (especially in the 100P). The 2019 is just a unicorn in that sense. There's really nothing else out there like it, especially the 100P.
Micro-debates aside, one thing is for certain: the Tour is unequivocally Prince's best silo for most players, with the Warrior a close second. (Sorry Phantom and/or novelty silo fans; it just is what it is).
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Thanks. Great stuff. I have a SW FH (I do like to drive thru the ball) and BH is mostly slice. Or lobs during dubs. I will probably pick up one of these 100P for a fun, control stick.
Yep. Especially if slice is big part your game, you'll likely love the 100P. The more dense pattern is noticeably better at creating and controlling a nice low, knifing slice versus the more open 100, at least in my experience.
One final note: when transitioning, just take care to select the right gauge and tension -- ex: with the 100 310, if you're using a gauge, say, in the upper 1.20's - low 1.30's (to close up the pattern a bit) and a reference tension of perhaps low-mid 50's lbs, you'll probably want to drop to down to low 1.20's to 1.25 ish gauge and perhaps mid-upper 40's tension in the 100P, just to give yourself enough of a similar open-ness and dynamic tension, overall. Mind you, doing so may lighten the weight of the string enough that you may feel it necessary to add maybe a smidge of lead to the frame (even with an extra 2 mains and 2 crosses, thinner string may still be lighter overall). Then, play test, and you can modulate from there.
Hope that helps again!
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Last several years, I've been using gut mains and poly crosses. Most recently, I use the black babolat VS gut with RPM blast crosses. This setup lasts me 20+ sessions (mostly dubs). I've hit 3 times with this setup on my Tour100 310 at 53/50. Feels about right for norcal weather in the 50s & 60s these months. I might try a bit higher, like 54/51 or 55/52.
Do you suggest, when I get a 2019 100P to go lower: 50/47 or 49/46? I used these tensions on my leaded up 97p's.
jmacdaununder2
Legend
The 2022 version has positive attributes of both previous versions; close to the feel/comfort of the 2015 while still maintaining the firm feeling head of the 2019.
